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GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
it's hardly the fault of the Europeans. For those unable to follow the link: Whatever the wrongs of the European Convention on Human Rights, it is doubtful they can be blamed wholly on foreigners. For a start, the convention was in large part the work of a Scottish Tory. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Metrolitan Police London Disorder Images; http://www.met.police.uk/disordersuspects/ flaming balloons |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Just wondering how much is being fraudulently spent & how many police officers it could fund......... Government Credit Card Abuse |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Best way to deal with them is to knock down all prisons & use the land for housing. THEN, rather than sell off all our military bases for the greedy money men to make millions from, use them as military prisons - no tv & leisure time there. The only UK prison ship closed in 2005 after 8 years as temporary measure. It was berthed at Portland in Dorset and was effectively a container tied to the dock. It needed extensive refitting to continue in this role and was deemed too costly. Perhaps prison ships are not such a bad idea. Maybe the inmates can have a sense of being on a cruise whilst watching their TVs. Maybe the tax payers should pay for the diesel to sail them to the Caribean to enjoy the sun. On the other hand let's not do any of that. What some of the rioters/looters are facing in loss of jobs, shame to their families and friends, disgrace, embarassment, ruined careers, possible evictions etc. is probably enough after receiving their sentence from court. At the end of the day all we can ask is that they face due process of law and due process of any situation where they have broken the law or the terms of a contract/agreement. flaming balloons |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Just wondering how much is being fraudulently spent & how many police officers it could fund......... I think the answer is quite a lot and quite alot. It's disgusting that people, especially senior people who can more easily get away with it due to their status and are on very high salaries, do this in any organisation, private or public. They are all robbing that organisation and are quite simply thieves. flaming balloons |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
It is right that they should be punished for their misdeeds but the after effects of that have to be dealt with as well. While I think their upbringing is certainly to blame, punishing their parents for the offenses of their children is certainly unacceptable. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30784 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It is right that they should be punished for their misdeeds but the after effects of that have to be dealt with as well. Corruption of blood is a UK thing. |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
Philadelphia Blame the parents |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
While I think their upbringing is certainly to blame, punishing their parents for the offenses of their children is certainly unacceptable. Parents do have protection from the law if they have an unruly child that they are struggling to bring under control. They report their child to the social services. If the child continues to play up the parents are now protected from any backlash from the courts, which also means they won't get eviction notices resulting from any actions their child may carryout in the future. As you will have read in the media, several mothers dragged their yobbish kids to the police station because they were involved in the riots last week. None of these mothers need worry now about possible council house eviction notices being served on them. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Not too much different from the US... kids are the legal responsibility of their parents up to the age of 17/18. However, I don't think any family would be evicted from their home because of what their child/children did. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30784 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We know the drill. Mom works two jobs to get enough scratch to feed her brood and keep a roof over their heads. Dad is where? Kids come home to an empty house and raise hell and no one is there to know any better. I suppose Mom could pop home and lock the kid in a cage so it won't get into trouble. The problem isn't the Mom. The problem is the society that puts a bunch of these Moms together in one building so the kids get together in mobs. Another solution might be for society to pay the Mom enough at her job so she only has to work during school hours and she can spend the rest at home watching over the kid. Another might be group rearing of children where Moms take turns with the kids. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30784 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Not too much different from the US... kids are the legal responsibility of their parents up to the age of 17/18. It happens, private landlords are very sensitive to some crimes. Asset forfeiture laws, if the building was used in the crime, the landlord can loose it. Mostly things like running a drug lab or running a house of prostitution. Taking a very quick read through of Section 8, it doesn't look like crime disqualifies for assistance. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Not too much different from the US... kids are the legal responsibility of their parents up to the age of 17/18. I was thinking more specific to the case(s) at hand. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24888 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
While I think their upbringing is certainly to blame, punishing their parents for the offenses of their children is certainly unacceptable. Currently yes, But up until 1967, parents were responsible for their offspring to the age of 21. Unfortunately, the labour government at the time decided they needed to change the law..... ...unlike labour nearly 40 years later.....introduce 100's of useless laws |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30784 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Not too much different from the US... kids are the legal responsibility of their parents up to the age of 17/18. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/20/local/la-me-0720-prisoner-reentry-20110720 San Francisco may bar employers, landlords from asking about arrests, convictions [edit]I see Philadelphia is listed here and as fining parents if their kids are caught out after curfew. Interesting. Any relationship? |
Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 979 Credit: 103,527 RAC: 0 |
The whole UK rioting is somewhat connected with Paris riot few years ago and middle eastern rioting. Because basic trigger events and event fuelings are all the same in those countries. Basically it is social injustice on middle/lower class or on immigrant community but keep explained with other social causes as kind of camouflage. Mandtugai! |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Mum doesn't help by getting involved with a useless git that disappears as soon as he realises she is pregnant. Left winger do gooders don't help by encouraging "affordable housing" which gets given to the wrong people, rather than those it was intended for. Yeah, it's all the fault of the left wing do gooders (the opposite of which is, presumably, right wing do badders) that there are useless gits of boyfriends that leave behind pregnant women. If only there were more of the do badders about, these women would be looked after, right? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
GalaxyIce Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 8927 Credit: 1,361,057 RAC: 0 |
Mum doesn't help by getting involved with a useless git that disappears as soon as he realises she is pregnant. Left winger do gooders don't help by encouraging "affordable housing" which gets given to the wrong people, rather than those it was intended for. The point that Chris S is making is a very good one. Young couples on low or no incomes qualify for benefits help. They may have children and find the cost of their social housing completely covered. In some cases the father leaves and the woman and children remain funded by the welfare state. Some young people see this as a way to live without getting jobs, intentionally living off the State. Both 'lefties' and 'righties' have allowed this to continue over the last 50 years of the welfare state. The way this taking advantage of the welfare system by such parents has become a way of life without any attempt to get a job or encourage their children to get a job. This has led in part (there are many other and complex reasons) to the broken and sick society eluded to by David Cameron recently. The problems underlying the riots have been the fault in part of the previous left Labour governments as stated recently by their leader Ed Milliband. It is not a left v. right political argument but for the government/police/judicial system as a whole to find the reasons behind the riots and to identify and implement solutions. flaming balloons |
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