Philip Jose Farmer's RiverWorld Series deals with The Resurrection of the Dead.

To Your Scattered Bodies Go is the first installment.

It won The Hugo Award in Many of The Universes.

I am Null and Void and a Darwin Barnacle.

Resurrection of the dead?? It's been a long time since that's been done well.

Perhaps my old girlfriend Sally would disagree !!

One can only hope on his 62nd birthday that resurrection is in the cards. I just don't want this body again.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Just found out one of my favorite Science Fiction Authors has died: Kage Baker.

She Passed On way back in Early 2010 from The Mean C at age 57.

Thanks Kage for The Great Imaginative Works.

Feeling Duller all The Time.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

I see on the news that it is the anniversary of the fraud conviction of TV evangelist Jim Bakker. He was sentenced to a few decades in prison for fraud. What preacher, priest, minister, etc is not also guilty of fraud. If I were Billy Graham, Falwell, the Pope, etc I would be also sweating a fraud conviction my self.

I see on the news that it is the anniversary of the fraud conviction of TV evangelist Jim Bakker. He was sentenced to a few decades in prison for fraud. What preacher, priest, minister, etc is not also guilty of fraud. If I were Billy Graham, Falwell, the Pope, etc I would be also sweating a fraud conviction my self.

Do not judge if you don't want to be judged (Christ).
Tullio

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I see on the news that it is the anniversary of the fraud conviction of TV evangelist Jim Bakker. He was sentenced to a few decades in prison for fraud. What preacher, priest, minister, etc is not also guilty of fraud. If I were Billy Graham, Falwell, the Pope, etc I would be also sweating a fraud conviction my self.

Do not judge if you don't want to be judged (Christ).
Tullio

Sounds hypocritical coming from a guy that judged people all the time.

I see on the news that it is the anniversary of the fraud conviction of TV evangelist Jim Bakker. He was sentenced to a few decades in prison for fraud. What preacher, priest, minister, etc is not also guilty of fraud. If I were Billy Graham, Falwell, the Pope, etc I would be also sweating a fraud conviction my self.

Do not judge if you don't want to be judged (Christ).
Tullio

Sounds hypocritical coming from a guy that judged people all the time.

Jesus never judged anyone and pardoned all sinners. He pardoned also those who killed him. It seems that you have never read the Gospels. Read them.
Tullio

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I see on the news that it is the anniversary of the fraud conviction of TV evangelist Jim Bakker. He was sentenced to a few decades in prison for fraud. What preacher, priest, minister, etc is not also guilty of fraud. If I were Billy Graham, Falwell, the Pope, etc I would be also sweating a fraud conviction my self.

Do not judge if you don't want to be judged (Christ).
Tullio

Sounds hypocritical coming from a guy that judged people all the time.

Jesus never judged anyone and pardoned all sinners. He pardoned also those who killed him. It seems that you have never read the Gospels. Read them.
Tullio

What would there be to forgive unless there is a judgement made beforehand? It seems you have never really understood what you read. Learn to do so.

Jesus never judged anyone and pardoned all sinners. He pardoned also those who killed him. It seems that you have never read the Gospels. Read them.
Tullio

Tullio,
I never noticed you quoting from the Bible before! Have you had a change of heart? ......Its a good thing Tullio, the Bible is a good set of rules for humanity. I'm glad to hear you quoting from the Bible. And your Italian too, home of the Roman catholic church for the last 2,000 years.

John.

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the Bible is a good set of rules for humanity.

Which rules are we referring to? The ones about selling your daughter into slavery? Or the ones about stoning disobedient children to death? Or the ones about how a man should not sleep with another man? Or the ones that talk about putting all non-believers to death?

Or the ones that talk about putting all non-believers to death?

That seems to be a reoccurring theme in monotheistic religions. Are monotheistic religions so weak by nature that they need to silence everyone else?

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I intervened only because I saw the Pope being insulted as a fraudster. To Johnney, I did not quote the Bible but the Gospels.To anybody wishing to learn something about Jesus I advice to read a book by a Jew,Robert Aron. Les annees obscures de Jesus, 1960 Editions Bernard Grasset, Paris (Diacriticals omitted). Yes I am a Christian, like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, S.J.
Tullio

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Romans 12 Says Everything needed to be said.

To Wit:

Romans 12

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;

12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Dull. The UnBeliever.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

God and the Devil are the same thing as they are two faces of the same coin.

We live in a world od duality, day/night, Love/hate, Life/death.

The bible is just another book written by man, some of the things there are good messages, others well we can argue here until the end of times.

For me GOD as a place in the creation of the universe, not this one, but all universes, as per the new theories of cosmology, it seems that there are a endless number of universes.

Also we live in a world, or universe where are different levels of consience, and ever single person in the world has it's own version of reality.

More important, than the message in all holy books of the world, or if there is life beyond death, if we are going to reeincarnate,or if our immortal soul has the weight of 21gr. Is the fact that we need to be more tolerant to our fellow man, and that we should try to improve ourselves everyday and somehown love others as you love yourself.

There is always room for improvement, as it's the largest room in your house.

I intervened only because I saw the Pope being insulted as a fraudster.

Is the Pope above criticism? Those who believe the whole of religion is a sham would also believe those condoning it are fraudsters. It's a legitimate view even if you don't agree with it.

To anybody wishing to learn something about Jesus I advice to read a book by a Jew,Robert Aron. Les annees obscures de Jesus, 1960 Editions Bernard Grasset, Paris (Diacriticals omitted). Yes I am a Christian, like Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, S.J.

Unless this person knew Jesus personally, it's doubtful that anything written is an actuality. As Penn Jillette said [paraphrased], "In today's day, the day of information when we have literate people, they can't even seem to agree on the ingredients to Elvis Presley's favorite chicken 30 years after his death. What makes anyone think that a Bible written 600 years after the death of a person they believe to be the Christ is even remotely accurate when most people of the time were illiterate and records were not well kept?"

Unless this person knew Jesus personally, it's doubtful that anything written is an actuality. ...

For Jesus the man? Or Jesus the Myth?

Note that the myth developed and evolved over many years. Note also that it was his family brother, James, who was spared who then carried on the teachings and politics...


The rest, is all in the 'interpretation'.

Keep searchin',
Martin

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The Pope can be criticized. Many Catholics do it. But to insult him as a "fraudster" is a completely different thing. As for the history of Jesus as a man, I could quote an entire bibliography, some including texts written by his Roman contemporaries, besides texts written by his followers. Some are very critical of him.There are books by Ernest Renan and Alfred Loisy, both ex priests, that tried to demonstrate that he was only a man, not the Son of God.None of them denied his historical existence, which is beyond any doubt.
Tullio
Just a single English book: Markus Bockmuehl (ed),"The Cambridge Companion to Jesus", Cambridge University Press, Cambridge (2001)

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The pope is just a man, you can agree or disagree with him, in my opinion the vatican ideas about certain things are a paradox and it seems that about certain subjects catolic church stopped in time.

Jesus, well, he was a man also, about being the son of God, or the Mesiah, it's a question of faith.

Anyway one thing is certain about Jesus, he was so important in mankind that calendar was split between AC and BC.

It does not matter if this decision was taken by man, because it was, but today this division is still valid.

Jesus showed mankind one thing, that humans should improve themselves and before looking to other imperfections to critisize they should look to themselves. He also showed that no matter if you are a king, a peasent, or even the son of God, we are all mortals, we born, we live and we die the same way.

At this moment and until proven otherwise we only have one life, so use it wisely and use it in benefit of others. It can look silly, but if you make 3 people smile everyday for sure you will be happy.

But to insult him as a "fraudster" is a completely different thing.

Is it really such a different thing if the whole of religion is a scam?

Let's pretend for a moment that it is proven beyond a doubt that all of religion is false. That statement would be more true then. Lots of people would feel the same way.

Now if the opposite were proved to be true, then that same statement could be slander (though there are plenty of laws preventing public officials from being able to file slander lawsuits as protected by free speech).

...but until either side finds proof, it's nothing more than a legitimate view from one side.

As for the history of Jesus as a man, I could quote an entire bibliography, some including texts written by his Roman contemporaries, besides texts written by his followers. Some are very critical of him.There are books by Ernest Renan and Alfred Loisy, both ex priests, that tried to demonstrate that he was only a man, not the Son of God.None of them denied his historical existence, which is beyond any doubt.

I see no mention of Jesus of Nazareth in any other texts from around the same time. I do however see plenty of stories of other saviors around the same time frame, all performing the same acts attributed to Jesus, such as Apollonius of Tyana. None of the stories show that these people actually existed. They were merely stories to uplift the spirits of the people as they believed they were in dark times.