> I cannot hide the damage they did, it’s frustrating and unfortunately it
> shows
> But I apologise sorry, It appears since WW never apologised that I will wait
> in vain for his apology for his insult no longer
> He obviously never thought it fit for him to do so like the rest of them
> It’s too late now damage is done like before, staying would only serve to
> leave me open to more persecution
>
>
> Rocky
> I try to keep calm to treat others with the way I expect to be treat, I treat
> them with kindness and help where possible , but alas it is seldom shown in
> return insults abuse are common and have been for many years, I have feelings
> a heart and respect others but little in return but false accusations insults,
> living by belief is not the same as believing it most fail to do that,
> whatever there faith, if ever I say I don’t believe in religion I’m labelled
> an atheist , and accused of devil worship the occult and other such beliefs
> this is but another misconception that the Christian faith throws in that
> direction, as I resigned to hold no particular belief and subscribe to none of
> them I think you may be able to understand how it would feel if the same is
> said of yours , I say yours is right for you , my “belief” is right for me
>
> Maybe to say if your kicked off the path you should follow then your lost ,
> lost forever , not only don’t I know where the path you should follow is and
> as I will never know the right one to take , it has no meaning anymore and
> never will again.
>
> Goodbye
>
Well Dragon,
I see the goodbye, but I hope it means "until later".
From going back and reading your posts there are very many open area's. Where as I said before, I am not here to personally attack anyone, however I am firm in my convictions.
I think what you have said is important, but more so it is what you have not said, that is probably more important.
If you wish not to carry this discussion further on this thread, please feel free to contact me directly my email address will be listed below. I believe at one time we did share common ground. I do believe we can talk/debate rationally about anything.
I believe God gave us two ears and one mouth, so that we could hear twice as much as we say.

Looking Forward to Hearing From You.

Very Sincerely,

Rocky Cudd
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Hi Rocky, sorry I didn't quote your post, but I'm not a big fan of 40 mile long threads from overquoting.

First. Let me say that I have never been able to make up my mind one way or the other about the existence of God. Truely, I have wanted to understand and believe, and to experience what some friends and family cherish so much. But, up to this point nothing I have experienced or heard from others has been able to overcome the doubt.

Thanks for your post, that's the kind of message that means something to me, your personal experiences and your own thoughts do much more to attract my attention, make me listen, and provide the drive to question my beliefs. If anything is ever likely to turn my opinion around and convince me of the existence of God, it will most likely be an open and frank discussion with someone who seems to be a sane and well rounded individual such as yourself.

Unfortunately WordWeaver and people of his ilk just don't seem to understand that even if they may be well meaning (which I'm not sure is always the case), their zealous, narrow minded and fanatical holier-than-thou preaching and bible quoting does more to drive me away from the message they are trying to deliver than to draw me to it.

>......your web site contains what the church would term as not representative....

Dragon-
Your testimony as to your rejection of religion is as valid as anyones. It seems too personal to be the basis for gathering followers, but that doesn't seem to be your intent. It's easy for me to see why you can get so pissed off because extremists of any kind make me want to slap their faces as well.
The woowoo man has no church affiliation as no group of organized believers of any religion can abide such high voltage bullshit- it makes people too queasy to abide such vehement maniatica.

>We can only hope and pray that the morals and values that we instill in our children through the vision of how we live our lives, will be a reflection and direction in there own lives.


Rocky-
What has the above clear, cogent and elegant little statement above to do with my grandaughter wallowing in sin and in need of a mysterious invisible superhero savior from the Holy Land- to snatch her from eternal fire? What do the morals and values taught to her have to do with her growing up 'good' , only if she considers any human who does not believe as she does destined for God's Great Garbage Heap. You object to my use of the term 'cybercult' as if I was taking some cheap shot. But from what is represented by the woowoo man's domain, it's the most accurate description my vile and deceitful and contemptable heart has yet devised.
The woowoo man along with the little coven will someday face their maker and The Man will give them some purple kool-aid as a welcome refreshment and kick them down to see Goatfoot.

Why a C-clamp?

Is this thing in the bible?

The C-Clamp is to immobilize the followers so that their minds may not escape and think for themselves.

@ WW:WHERE'S MY ANSWER?

> The C-Clamp is to immobilize the followers so that their minds may not escape
> and think for themselves.

It could also be like a caliper or micrometer measuring device of some kind with added cryptic numbers referring to some arcane verse or other.
It could also have a secret spiritual meaning that only certain followers who are extra devout can ever understand.
It might be like a thumbscrew torture device that Jeseus might use on you if you're sinning or Satan might use just for the fun of it.

There used to be a truck that went to the 4th of July parades and such that had a big faucet thing that was rushing water down- only it wasn't coming down at all it was getting sqirted UP from a pump that probably looked alot like this.
The water was squirting up in a powerful stream from #2 and when the stream hit this dispersal plate at #1 and when it would sort of slpash down obscuring the view to the stream getting pumped up. It was pretty neat.

My bet is it's a secret meaning only for the elect but I've been wrong before...cc

I guess each to his own vice, then. Just make sure that when Allume Systems comes around asking intellectual property and copyright infringement questions, you make a good excuse for yourself.

> > The C-Clamp is to immobilize the followers so that their minds may not
> escape
> > and think for themselves.
>
> It could also be like a caliper or micrometer measuring device of some kind
> with added cryptic numbers referring to some arcane verse or other.
> It could also have a secret spiritual meaning that only certain followers who
> are extra devout can ever understand.
> It might be like a thumbscrew torture device that Jeseus might use on you if
> you're sinning or Satan might use just for the fun of it.

Carl,
There you go again. The only purpose the "C-Clamp" has in this thread is what ever you or anyone else can conjour up to manipulate what is being said. I have yet to "Brow Beat" anyone. However, I will continue to share God's Word and my own personal testimony with anyone who will listen. I know that there are others out there, even on this board who are in the same situations I have been in just clinging on. The Word they here today could change their lives forever. It is their choice. I am merely the messenger. God's Word offered me hope when I had none. God's Word gave me strength when I was weak. God's Word lifted me when NO ONE ELSE could.
These are not scripture quotes, This is MY HEART.

Warmest Regards,

Rocky Cudd

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Rocky-
Your occasional testimonial reports dont seem to be out of line with anything going on with this thread. They are actually sort of a grounding point as this thread is about expressing religious views and I personally find your testimonials honest and forthright expressions with very little hoo doo crapola added in. Just because I dont believe in exclusive rights to 'the one correct and only way', you think for some reason that I am 'against' what you hold to be truth. Well right there Rocky, you are dead wrong. Your beliefs are your business and I have no desire to manipulate anybody or to try to convince them I'm right. My talents for manipulation have never been honed, nor do I find it advantageous for me to polish those kinds of skills. There are people around however who take great pride in their abilities to bring others into the fold with manipulative tactics and techniques. OK?

Can you respond to this without straying too far:
What do the morals and values taught to her (my grandaughter) have to do with her growing up 'good' , only if she considers any human who does not believe as she does destined for God's Great Garbage Heap?

And just give me a hint what that thing is and let me guess.....cc

> Rocky-
> What has the above clear, cogent and elegant little statement above to do with
> my grandaughter wallowing in sin and in need of a mysterious invisible
> superhero savior from the Holy Land- to snatch her from eternal fire? What do
> the morals and values taught to her have to do with her growing up 'good' ,
> only if she considers any human who does not believe as she does destined for
> God's Great Garbage Heap. You object to my use of the term 'cybercult' as if
> I was taking some cheap shot. But from what is represented by the woowoo man's
> domain, it's the most accurate description my vile and deceitful and
> contemptable heart has yet devised.

> My 2 year old grandaugter is already exhibiting alot of wickedness and vile
> deceitful behavior. I figured it was just my daughter spoiling her a bit but>

I think my statement was quite direct. Kids Live What They Learn.
I think it matters to you because you sound like the Proud Grand Father you should be.

Warm Regards,

Rocky

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> Rocky-
> Your occasional testimonial reports dont seem to be out of line with anything
> going on with this thread. They are actually sort of a grounding point as this
> thread is about expressing religious views and I personally find your
> testimonials honest and forthright expressions with very little hoo doo
> crapola added in. Just because I dont believe in exclusive rights to 'the one
> correct and only way', you think for some reason that I am 'against' what you
> hold to be truth. Well right there Rocky, you are dead wrong. Your beliefs
> are your business and I have no desire to manipulate anybody or to try to
> convince them I'm right.

Hi Carl,
You posted this before I sent my last reply. You seem to be very educated. And I must say I have been following your posts and have noticed the "Intensity Level" go up and down. I am finally beginning to understand why. First I apologize for my remarks referring to close mindedness. In so many of your posts you have wanted and actually discussed the topic at hand. Just as I said before, I am strong in my convictions from personal experiences. I also know that this goes hand in hand with many on this thread who have had negative experiences. I guess in my search for the right words to say I am missing the point I was trying to make. So many times we make up each others minds, without having access to all available information. Since this thread has started I can say that I have furthered my knowledge in many areas. I have visited Web Sites in an attempt to understand.
I did not have all the info available to me as a child. I followed the path my Parents had set for me, as most children of my era did. I did not know anything really about any other belief or Religion other than Baptist, and didn't even know what it was about. The Military and my first Witnessing was the beginning point for me becoming inquisitive into Religion as a whole.It should not take a Tragedy to open someones eyes but many times it does. The first one most people blame is God. Many search for other answers when they are confused by their own constraints. I try to offer a different view through my "Testamonies" in the hope that it offers another the Life Altering experiences that I had In The Lord.As you have read in my background, my education and training is circled around Children. I counsel children from all walks of life, all faiths. I counsel two 13 year old children who are parents, I counsel a 14 year old boy who has been convicted of Rape on an 8 year old. I could go on, but my point is that in the majority of the Children that I talk with come from broken homes, where one or both parents are incarecerated, drug backgrounds, but 100% of them come from homes where they have been told or they feel they are worthless. I do not use my Faith to convert these Children, but I do use the Love that God has instilled in my heart as a tool to Help Them. Without it, I would be as Lost as Them. I still believe That Children Are Our Future!

Very Sincerely,

Rocky Cudd

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>
> Hi Rocky, sorry I didn't quote your post, but I'm not a big fan of 40 mile
> long threads from overquoting.
>
> First. Let me say that I have never been able to make up my mind one way or
> the other about the existence of God. Truely, I have wanted to understand and
> believe, and to experience what some friends and family cherish so much. But,
> up to this point nothing I have experienced or heard from others has been able
> to overcome the doubt.
>
> Thanks for your post, that's the kind of message that means something to me,
> your personal experiences and your own thoughts do much more to attract my
> attention, make me listen, and provide the drive to question my beliefs. If
> anything is ever likely to turn my opinion around and convince me of the
> existence of God, it will most likely be an open and frank discussion with
> someone who seems to be a sane and well rounded individual such as yourself.

bfarrant,
Thank you for your response, and I look forward to further discussions with you. If you would like to discuss something off of the thread, please contact me at the Email Address below.

Very Sincerely,

Rocky Cudd
ml.cudd@verizon.net

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Rocky-
Counseling kids who have crackhead jailbird parents and/or have turned into little criminals themselves mostly fron neglect and exploitation is certainly a worthy occupation. It takes alot of compassion and detachment to be successful at that kind of endeavor. I know I couldn't do it well at all.
You manage to perform this work knowing that it is sin put in them by God when they were born that's the real cause of their behavioral difficulties and that if they could be saved by Jesus they'd have taken the first step toward productive and rewarding lives as witnnesses for their amazing transformations from bad people to good ones.
Born-again folks are too scary to be with little kids. I know you are forbidden to scare kids with your religious beliefs and feel from reading your own words that you are aware of the damage that can be caused by teaching kids they are worthless- so you refrain from doing that not only to keep your job but because you KNOW it's wrong to tell kids they're going to hell forever.
I will continue to teach my grandaughter that she is priceless and a perfect example of the purity and worthiness that any human could wish for. Her mama and I agree that she is not filthy with the stench of vile sins. If we are wrong and the baby is indeed condemned to eternal hellfire-
Well then at least we'll all be swimming together in the Lake forever...cc

>I know you are forbidden to scare kids with your religious beliefs and feel from reading your own words that you are aware of the damage that can be caused by teaching kids they are worthless- so you refrain from doing that not only to keep your job but because you KNOW it's wrong to tell kids they're going to hell forever.

Carl,
You could not be further from the truth. I offer my services free of charge through several Christian Outreach Programs, that reach all children regardless of Faith.

Regards,

Rocky

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Rocky-
I have no doubt that Christian Outreach has some diverse programs that are doing some good works for people in need in communities all over the place.
But these good works are for naught if the people you are trying to help are vile sinners in need of redemption and salvation.
My point is that by your own submitions to this thread all the good works that people do in their time on earth are without merit in the eyes of God, who has filled us all with overflowing stench removable by application of Jesus blood and by no other means.
These people you're trying to help by volunteering as a counselor are condemned to burn forever.
You wouldn't happen to be slipping into you sit-down sessions with kids that they'll be headed for the furnace?
I hope not.
But then if you're not teaching them that they're evil sinners and need saving-
What's the point of counseling them at all?
They are but future briquettes in Satan's barbeque pit.
Is C.O. one of those 'faith based' tax exempt organizations?

"Is C.O. one of those 'faith based' tax exempt organizations?"

Tax exempt for sure. And probably also the recipient of lots of our dollars via the shrub administration.

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Carl

Try here for some C clamps;

C clamps?

Angs

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NeoAmsterdam-
I dont know why I kept seeing that thing as a clamp and couldn't pull the word vise out of it.
Allume systems logo is similar, but there's a mystery here still. Since this little icon is right on the group logo it might have some kind of mystical significance that could, if it was to be revealed, bring the key to total understanding.

Angstrom-
Clamps, vice, micrometer- cant be sure. After all, there are universal concepts intimately woven into the fabric of mystical beliefs that take physical form by strange and inexplicable manifestations. Certainly you're aquainted with the Cargo Cults of the Pacific who build WWII bombers out of reeds and rubbish. This clamp depiction likely has a spiritual meaning intended only for understanding by those chosen to be privy to the true meaning.

Of course the possibility exists that exposing its' secret to the heathen could infuriate a diety who could subsequently dispatch great bolts of lightning smashing down everywhere.
Still- its display begs the question:
If it's not in the bible and written by God- why is it so brazenly offered for consideration?

Could this be the answer?

Some SETI clubs may have special secret requiements for membership and this iconic mystery figure probably has something to do with that...cc

> But then if you're not teaching them that they're evil sinners and need
> saving-
> What's the point of counseling them at all?
> They are but future briquettes in Satan's barbeque pit.
> Is C.O. one of those 'faith based' tax exempt organizations?

Carl, I have attempted to carry on an intelligent disscussion with you, but have come to realize that it is fruitless. You manipulate words, and attempt to cause discension within my own Faith and Team. I know that this is how Non believers act and I was prepared for it. So I was not suprised. I am glad you have been blessed with one of God's Children. As I stated before there are many children across the world that live lost lives, by no fault of their own. Most of there parents are so blinded by their own Sin, they could not begin to help their children. I don't care where the organizations I counsel for get there money, I volunteer. Medical care and Shelter in many cases is not free.
I do not check each childs body for the "mark of the devil", or ask them for their "Preferred Religion Preference Identification Card" before I offer guidance. God has Blessed us with Children, it is up to us to give them direction and purpose.
You may continue the bashing of my Faith if you wish, but one day you and those like you will be in the minority....left here on the Earth..

>Well then at least we'll all be swimming together in the Lake forever...
Carl as for that statement, I am truly sorry you feel that way.
If you are so determined that your way is the ony way, then all I can say is,
Have A Great Swim!

Rocky

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