> My Penis is doing really fine, thank you.
>
This is what I hear from you, Marc: Blah, blah, blah . . . stupid Americans . . . blah, blah, blah . . . Bush is stupid and so are the Americans who voted for him . . . blah, blah, blah!

Your crude, venal comment about Americans who get erections when the Marines kill Muslims was over the top and I, for one, am tired of that sort of thing from you. That was not the only biased, hateful and uninformed statement you have made. Given that you so freely admit, by your words and description of us, that you hate us, why should I give any credence to your argument? All you have done is twist the facts and ignore what is shown to you in opposition.

You can use Luca's excuse that you are hot tempered, but I have read enough of your posts to know that when you are on point, you know how to convince. You seem to sink into obscenities when spouting unsubstanitated leftist propaganda. That is why I purposely made my comment about your penis in a thread where you did have some evidence--to shock you into realizing how offensive you can become (I don't know how else to put this) when you are wrong. Wake up and realize that if you ever want me or anyone else to treat you seriously (besides your prejudiced America-hating friends) you need to stick to the facts, not insults. Marc, this post is addressed to you because, unlike some of the other America bashers, you have at times presented a real argument.

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> > My Penis is doing really fine, thank you.
> >
> This is what I hear from you, Marc: Blah, blah, blah . . . stupid Americans .
> . . blah, blah, blah . . . Bush is stupid and so are the Americans who voted
> for him . . . blah, blah, blah!

I have often mentionned that in my views Americans made the wrong choice
by reelecting Bush, I have also said he was a moron, I have asked the Moral
values he has been reelected for by showing he is somehow a criminal of
war, but I HAVE NEVER SAID AMERICANS ARE STUPID !!!! That is your interpretation.
Perhaps it's just an improper use of words, remember that I am still "learning" English.

> Your crude, venal comment about Americans who get erections when the Marines
> kill Muslims was over the top and I, for one, am tired of that sort of thing
> from you. That was not the only biased, hateful and uninformed statement you
> have made. Given that you so freely admit, by your words and description of
> us, that you hate us, why should I give any credence to your argument? All
> you have done is twist the facts and ignore what is shown to you in
> opposition.

Here is what I've wrote

When you look at how Americans like guns, I bet all I have that some
guys are having erection when they see marines shooting muslims on the
TV news...

I said SOME GUYS !!!! I never said ALL americans...What is untrue in that ? Americans
in general don't like guns ? I can put some statistics if you want. Anyway, the point is
not there, I just made a propable addition. Some guys really like guns + some of them
must hate arabs (9/11) =Some guys are having erection when they see marines shooting
muslims. As for the erection itself, I am sorry if it shocked you, again it is a cultural
and language thing. We often say it in french when we want to discribe something
exciting (not only sexual)

> You can use Luca's excuse that you are hot tempered, but I have read enough of
> your posts to know that when you are on point, you know how to convince. You
> seem to sink into obscenities when spouting unsubstanitated leftist
> propaganda. That is why I purposely made my comment about your penis in a
> thread where you did have some evidence--to shock you into realizing how
> offensive you can become (I don't know how else to put this) when you are
> wrong. Wake up and realize that if you ever want me or anyone else to treat
> you seriously (besides your prejudiced America-hating friends) you need to
> stick to the facts, not insults. Marc, this post is addressed to you because,
> unlike some of the other America bashers, you have at times presented a real
> argument.

Tom I wasn't shocked in any way about your comment about my Penis. Not a
single minutes. I have started my post saying it was fine thank you, and I
have tried to end it and turn it in a funny way. Actually it was true at the end,
I really had to go...

Now if could both agree on the fact that I DON'T THINK AMERICANS are stupid.
I am very critical towards American society and culture but it's not an attack.

I have friends in New york, LA, Miami. I work with Americans, I am not anti Americans!
What about those Americans born citizen that are critical about their government
policies, are they anti americans or un patriotic ?

Now the discussion was about foreign aid. What do you now think of American
foreign aid now ? Is there any untrue thing in my last post ?

Marc,
You said, "Now if could both agree on the fact that I DON'T THINK AMERICANS are stupid. I am very critical towards American society and culture but it's not an attack."

Here are your words (in italics) I only went back to the beginning of this month:

#44575
> You have no concept of how or even what it takes to try and
> get a Country the size of the US to function as smoothly as it does!

Easy. Make them believe they are free, put'em in front of the TV and
feed them with ignorance, they will all become stupid sheep. Make sure
they can have some money so they can buy the last TV set model, and then
use it to tell them they will be at nirvana when they can finally affoard
the new car they see on their new TV and they'll be happy like pigs in
the mud.

#44253
Now you can had those reasons for some.
-Revenge over muslims in general.
-Religious belief (often with wrong interpretation)
If anyone rebels against your orders and does not obey
every command you give him, he shall be put to death.
But be firm and steadfast. (Joshua 1:18 NAB)
-A profond feeling of fear and hates.
-TOTAL misunderstanding and ignorance of foreign countries.
-Too much TV and not enough general education.
-Too much violance and low level of news and programs on TV
-Desire to show how powerful the military is. I mean what's the point
in investing 500 billion dollars if it's too let the equipments rust ?
When you look at how Americans like guns, I bet all I have that some
guys are having erection when they see marines shooting muslims on the
TV news...
-etc...
Now if it makes some hangry at me because I picture such a bad image
of americans in general, and especialy since they will see French on
my profile, my answer is, 48% of americans agrees with that. The other
52% well, I guess most of them could not even point Irak on a world map.

#43891
> IN SHORT, America is completely nuts. We were all shocked and awed to read
> these numbers. America is full of superstitious people.
>
> Ref: http://www.quinnell.us/society/annoyances/stupid.html

I realy had good laugh on that one. They don't say anything about
those who believe they've been abducted by aliens at least once
in their life ?


#43782
You're not boring me for sure. I found your crown jewels was quite funny.
I have soooo many stories like that to tell from my 10 years on cruise
ships. At every captain's dinner I have to host a table with some pasengers.
Once I had some americans at my table, at the end of the Dinner I said good
night I was going to bed because we were suppose to arrive at our destination
very early in the morning and that I had yo be at the bridge. One lady
looked at me really surprised and asked, The crew sleep on board ???
At first I wasn't sure if she was jocking so I didn't know how to react.
It ended in my cabin for a digestive to prove to her and her husband that
I was sleeping on board. She has been very impressed to see that I had a bigger
cabin then they had, and asked me how much they were taking from my salary
to sleep in such a nice cabin...

I have cruised with groups of passengers from all over the world. We had
chartered cruise with British, German, American, French, Canadian, etc.
What I am going to say would be confirmed by anyone who works with american
cruisers, they are by far, the most arrogant, uneducated and badly dressed
you can find on a cruise ship. The more polites are the british, the one
with the best education (name and history of the place we were visiting)
were the French, and the best dressed and beautiful woman were from Spain.
With the spanish it's like captain's night every night. With european
passengers, when I walk on the ship it's alaways good mornig or sir, could
you please tell me what is the name of the island we've just passed, with
american it's more like HI what is the....No thank you, no respect for the
grade of the officer, etc. They paid they're cruise, you belong to them.

I don't know about how american sailors acts when they go ashore, but I know
how american tourrists do, but I guess I will stop here...

#43695
> Tom & John: The liberals in this thread have backed up what they are
> saying with examples of the right-wing lies, and analogies to the Nazi's.
> Dumb Americans have unfortunately turned the world, even moderates I know here
> at Oxford U and throughout Europe, into turning against the US.
>
> All you have is rhetoric that "Iraq was a terrorist nation" and "liberals are
> terrorist sympathizers" and whines that I'm being "insulting" (as if you
> hypocrites haven't posted insulting things time and again). At "best" you
> whine that "well at least we're just killing Iraqi's & Turks & Spanish
> and terrorists haven't hit the US since 9/11." Thereby proving that you don't
> consider anything but American lives as worthy of saving. I think ultimately
> that is what disgusts so many throughout the world --- they have long thought
> that Americans only cared about themselves --- with the re-selection of Bush
> based on lies & fear & hypocrisy & xenophobia --- it is now> confirmed!

TRUE SOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE

#43681
> I think Americans need to get out more! Out of there own country that is and
> discover what the rest of the world is really like. If the USA is the BEACON
> of FREEDOM in the world then GOD HELP US ALL!

Agree 100% with you post

#43659
In the link above, posted by John, I really like this comment.

"THESE same idiots still believe Saddam was behind 9/11. They voted for Bush
for his moral stance. Never mind that we've killed 100,000 innocent Iraqis.
Whatever happened to "Thou shall not kill"? Oh well. As long as we Americans
can still consume 25 per cent of the world's resources everything will be just
fine! Who cares if we're ******* all over the rest of the world? We've got
Jesus!"

#42513
Your country needs you !!! How would it become if all intellectuals leaves
the country in the hand of those...
(picture of a gunslinger)
If you really wants to leave then I might propose you to Come to CANADA !!!
(Quebec) Real LIBERTY, free social insurance for all, peace and comfort,
higher education, less crimes, free medical and drugs (quebec), free and legal
abortion, soon legalised marijuana, Gun control, gay mariage, etc...A country
loved and respect by the whole world.

Marc,
Don't blame you English language skills, you communicate in English just fine.

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> Marc,
> Don't blame you English language skills, you communicate in English just fine.

MEACULPA

> > Marc,
> > Don't blame you English language skills, you communicate in English just
> fine.
>
> MEACULPA
>

Thank you. I'll take that as an apology.

I'm glad, because I (otherwise) enjoy these discussions with you.

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a) Recent discussions between @Tom Koenig and @Petit Soleil (ands things Tom have posted before) really shows me that at least one American fulfills my expectatives.
b) I´m sure he´s not the only one, but I needed to confirm it since I haven´t spoke to any of them before.
c) My posts in this board were generally agressive and I presented arguments I usually don´t accept in my own discussions, for example: my temperament, the lost of accuracy in generalizations, etc. (besides some of them have to be used in social sciences).
d) My problem with America is that I used to admire it. But I have discovered some things I have to disagree to. It has a lot of power, and it´s risen has been one of the factors that made my country be worse from the beginning of the XX century to present days. As I have said, US is an empire, but perhaps is one of the best empires in the history of earth. It´s true: they don´t pay atention to UN when it tells something they don´t like, but at least they let the Organization run until now. It´s quite sure we all be worst if someone else would be in the throne. This is the reason I almost hate Bush: he´s making my faith in US disappear. He´s confirming the things I feared the most. The world is turning against them and they are more closed now than ever. That´s why I wanted Kerry to win: I have a small amount of faith in him.
e) To conclude: I´m sorry if I have ofended someone´s feelings. I hope some of my posts added something, at least in the theoric fields. I will pay atention to the evolution of this thread, but I won´t participate since discussions like this are very difficult, and they never reachs anything: there are a lot of gnoseological, epistemological, ontological and metaphysical factors that have to be well defined before some of us could have an opinion of each other´s thinking.
f) Good bye and don´t take me as an "argentinian stereotype". Saludos!

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"Raggio spezza, amista lunga"

Luca, I hope you continue to contribute to this exchange of ideas. I must say I'm sorry for not responding to your opus magnum, but I have not had time. If I were employed by the Federal Government to work on international relations, I would love to respond to all the posts here, but this is simply a pastime for me, and I do have other work for which I get paid.

I post on these message boards (political/military/religious mainly, but others at times) for purely selfish reasons. Writing out what I believe helps me define it better; and hearing what others say has made me change my mind regarding certain things. A recent example, I had always believed that the US contributed more to international aid than all of Europe combined but my research and Marc's chart showed me that I was wrong. (Sometimes I admit when I am wrong, sometimes I just sit in embarrased silence.)

If you are worried about your English, it is not the best, but I think we all understand it. I have not always agreed with you, but I hope we can all continue to hear from you--and maybe, you will see some of us (Canadians, French, even Americans) in a differnt way.

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>Your crude, venal comment about Americans who get erections when the Marines
>kill Muslims was over the top and I,

It sounds like you're the sort of America (59 million of 'em at least ;-) that can't handle the sordid truth. Because the Lyndie England and her lover and other abusers of Abu Ghraib WAS sort of a sordid sex triangle right out of Marquis de Sade's (wet) dreams.

And then the story of the "pumping up" of US troops to go into Falluja with "Christian rock" (gee how "Crusader" of 'em) and Wagner's "Die Wulkure" (straight from "Apocalypse Now").

Oh but I forgot, recently a lot of "red states" banned the showing of "Saving Private Ryan" on TV. Apparently war can be bloody & mean & ugly & even more violent than the usual American TV fodder.

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"Christian rock"

Christian > Rock = Piss > Jack Daniels

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<img src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/seti2/stats.php?userID=27&amp;trans=off">

Don't you mean "Christian Rock:Rock::Piss:Jack Daniels"?

And then the story of the "pumping up" of US troops to go into Falluja with "Christian rock" (gee how "Crusader" of 'em) and Wagner's "Die Wulkure" (straight from "Apocalypse Now").
Well, it sure ain't Home to Houston

> Don't you mean "Christian Rock:Rock::Piss:Jack Daniels?

NeoAmsterdan-
Thanks for the correct application.
I'm not feeling very logical today...cc

Good News !!!

Italian prosecutor demands eight years jail for PM Berlusconi

> Good News !!!
>
> <a> href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1512&ncid=721&e=6&u=/afp/20041112/wl_afp/italy_justice_politics">Italian
> prosecutor demands eight years jail for PM Berlusconi[/url]
>
That are realy good news that Mussolini, äh, I mean Berlusconi should go to yail, although I doesn't think that there will happen something. Corruption is overall there.

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WARR - Wissenschaftliche Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Raketentechnik und Raumfahrt
(WARR - scientific working group for rocket technology and space travel)

äh*am kopf kratz* was bringt uns das,wer Chef in Italien ist oder nicht
,wie gross ist der Einfluß auf das Weltgeschehen mmh wenig gleich null oder ?

Dutch to Withdraw Troops from Iraq in March

We think of terrorism as a part of the world these days. Hijackings, suicide bombers, hostage taking . . . we fear them, but they are a part of the world we inhabit. Indeed, many of these things happened before 9/11. But it was not always so.

I remember flying on commercial planes and entering public buildings without having to pass through a magnetometer. I remember people being able to visit Europe and the Holy Land without fear. But one man escalated the "art" of terrorism to new levels of savagery. That man was Yasser Arafat.

Claiming that this was "guerrilla warfare", against Israel, various factions of the PLO under his leadership hijacked planes and blew them up, murdered Olympic atheletes and cruise ship passengers. This was not warfare at all, but the birth of modern terrorism in the 20th century.

Now he has died, and I am sorry for the death of the man, but not that the terrorist leader is gone. He left as his legacy a hatred that is so ingrained in his people, we should have little hope that anyone or anything will ever turn them toward a peaceful resolution of the self-destrutive acts they have perpetrated in trying to obtain a Palestinian homeland. And yet, with Arafat's passing, there is at least a glimmer of a chance for peace.

What will happen now? Someone will take up his position and go one of two ways: continue to allow the various militia groups to act with impunity to attack Israel and anyone who supports Israel, which will result in retaliatory attacks on Palestinians and a continuation of the death which has marked too many generations; or take firm control of all armed groups and force them to live up to a peace agreement like the one Egypt signed for the return of the Sinai. This would allow the Israelis to return political and military control of Palistinian areas to the Palistinians (something they will not do as long as the bloodshed continues).

I don't know which way this will turn. But I hope for peace.

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actually long before Arafat the Israeli's were basically terrorists, blowing up hotels and killing British soldiers in Jerusalem. Look up Ariel Sharon's past, he's no angel. And don't forget the US policies in Vietnam, Nicaragua, Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Afghanistan etc. Is it "not terrorism" just because it's done under the official aegis of the US?

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> We think of terrorism as a part of the world these days. Hijackings, suicide
> bombers, hostage taking . . . we fear them, but they are a part of the world
> we inhabit. Indeed, many of these things happened before 9/11. But it was
> not always so.

Many of these things happened before 9/11 INDEED...

> I remember flying on commercial planes and entering public buildings without
> having to pass through a magnetometer. I remember people being able to visit
> Europe and the Holy Land without fear. But one man escalated the "art" of
> terrorism to new levels of savagery. That man was Yasser Arafat.

I didn't know peoples feared visiting Europe ? France is still the most
visited country in the world in 2004. Surprised ? Check the facts.

> Now he has died, and I am sorry for the death of the man, but not that the
> terrorist leader is gone. He left as his legacy a hatred that is so ingrained
> in his people, we should have little hope that anyone or anything will ever
> turn them toward a peaceful resolution of the self-destrutive acts they have
> perpetrated in trying to obtain a Palestinian homeland. And yet, with
> Arafat's passing, there is at least a glimmer of a chance for peace.

Don't say you are sorry for the death of the man Tom, I don't belive you.
Altough I don't aprove terrorism, Arafat brought the Palestinian problem
(Invasion, agression, killing of palestinians, etc) to the eyes of the world.
Without a man like Arafat the Palestine would no longer exist, but in history
book.

> What will happen now? Someone will take up his position and go one of two
> ways: continue to allow the various militia groups to act with impunity to
> attack Israel and anyone who supports Israel, which will result in retaliatory
> attacks on Palestinians and a continuation of the death which has marked too
> many generations; or take firm control of all armed groups and force them to
> live up to a peace agreement like the one Egypt signed for the return of the
> Sinai. This would allow the Israelis to return political and military control
> of Palistinian areas to the Palistinians (something they will not do as long
> as the bloodshed continues).

What will happen now ? I will tell you. First I don't belive in a natural
death and I think Bush will try to force an agreement wich will of course
be advantagious for Israel and take all the credit for "peace" in the middle
east. Funny how no media so far have asked the question of what actually
killed him ? First Israel should start by respecting the border of the
country "created" on a Palestinians land. Stop these barbarian colonies,
give Palestinian free access to their land. A jewish state have been created,
good, now it doesn't mean they have the right to want more and more at the
depend of the Palestinians. They will continue to attack Isarael and those
who support them (remember that the US gave Israel 92 billions dollars
in the last 20 years), but nothing, zero, peanuts to the Palestinians.
for as long as real justice is not brought in this part of the world. And
I am not talking about "strategic" justice America is often promoting, but
the creation of a real palestinian state. What do you think, the Palestinians
woke up a morning a said, hey, it would be fun if we become terrorists !!!
You know there are always two side on a medal, but it looks like Americans
see just one side of it. Why ? because history is always written by those
who win a war, not by those who are oppressed. Also because no Palestinians
own any media and/or financial power in the US.

> I don't know which way this will turn. But I hope for peace.

You surely hope for peace, an Israelian peace. Now Tom don't say I am
attacking Americans. I am not. I am just saying what I think is true.

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