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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21207 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
This series has got to be just one of the best sets of UFO vids ever taken... Excellent work! And all whilst just on holiday in Haiti... Haiti UFO UFO Haiti Haiti UFO ... Slow Motion and Enhanced Stills UFO OVER HAITI ... ANALYSIS OF THE TREES What do you think? Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Rick Send message Joined: 7 Sep 99 Posts: 46 Credit: 271,541 RAC: 0 |
It's a hoax. There are strong artifacts in the videos that show that they were altered using commercial video editing software. Then there's the fact that despite the incredible brightness of the UFO, it doesn't cast any illumination on the ground or the dome of the rock. There's a good description here. I think that shows that the people who made the videos are at a minimum being deceptive. In order to save them from shock, parents usually drop hints that Santa's not real and let their kids figure it out. I believe some of the hoax videos are created to gauge the public's reaction, while providing deniability in case they take badly to them. Do you have an opinion about Dr. Tom Van Flandern's presentation? Again, I am the first to assert that there is no cover-up whatsoever. Governments have practically stated outright that aliens are visiting earth. That isn't a cover-up. |
WHOSIT Send message Joined: 12 Nov 10 Posts: 29 Credit: 162,958 RAC: 0 |
The conspiracy theorists show several signs of impossibly looped logic: HA! I LOVE IT! Had me laughing out loud to myself. Only thing wrong I feel is, "Return to number 1", should be number 5. ;-) This is not to say I don't believe in UFOs. On the contrary, I saw one when I was 8 years old and my "X-files" style "flying saucer" poster says, "I Do Believe!". However, not everything strange or unexplainable seen in the sky by people, which an observer thinks is a UFO, takes photos of it, or perhaps video records it, IS a true UFO! There's just too many wackos out there, who cause hindrance and harm to the serious investigation of the phenomena. :-( Wishing you continued science "fun" and at least, always valid results, Laters, Rick "WHOSIT" W. Participating in: Einstein/MilkyWay/Rosetta/SETI |
John French Send message Joined: 9 Jun 11 Posts: 2 Credit: 80,061 RAC: 0 |
Fake methinks! |
Jason Safoutin Send message Joined: 8 Sep 05 Posts: 1386 Credit: 200,389 RAC: 0 |
This series has got to be just one of the best sets of UFO vids ever taken... Excellent work! These videos have been proven a CGI hoax. "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3 |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
you mean the palm trees in Haiti don't all have the same leaf pattern. For shame thats just lazy hoaxing In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Theramansi Send message Joined: 25 Jun 04 Posts: 97 Credit: 39,577,723 RAC: 63 |
How I wish I had a camera the day I seen my puzzlement in the sky. It would have been a great chance to have my own authentic fuzzy UFO pic. Fortunately, the wind was favorable and blew the shiny black object with strange writing my direction enough for it to become an 'IFO'. I was able to recognize the insignia: |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
99.9% of all UFO sightings can be logically explained. What is worrying the Governments of the worlds Major powers is the 0.1% that has no logical explanation even with modern science. They couldn't care less whether there are little green men or not from a scientific or humanitarian viewpoint. actually nearly 100%. 0.1% is being generous. Its far likely the ones that can't be determined were faked either by the witness or by a 3rd party In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 69 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0 |
It's a hoax. There are strong artifacts in the videos that show that they were altered using commercial video editing software. Then there's the fact that despite the incredible brightness of the UFO, it doesn't cast any illumination on the ground or the dome of the rock. There's a good description here. I think that shows that the people who made the videos are at a minimum being deceptive. This is really a terrible attempt at debunking this particular sighting. They just claim there should be a reflection, the city lights should be blinking, or there should've been more witnesses (even though it was after 1AM in the Middle East, of all places). If these videos are clearly fakes, then they should easily be able to provide a legitimate explanation or point out legitimate discrepancies in all videos. I'm not saying with 100% certainty that this is a 'UFO from outer space', but there's nothing in at least 3 of the videos that points to it being a hoax. The only possible or likely fake (which I started becoming skeptical of the more I viewed it) is the close-up video, but that could easily be a deliberate fake. However, there's nothing in the other 3 videos that clearly point to a hoax. All 3 are in sync, and the most convincing details are in the 2 videos shot from the same group of people. Just look closer at the timing and the angles from those 2 videos. If you pay attention to the guy with the cell phone in the first video, you'll see that his slightly different vantage point, his side-to-side body movement, and the rate in watch he lowers his phone 'below' and 'above' his head are in complete and total sync with the actual footage shot in the first video. I'd actually be skeptical of any single one of these videos if they stood alone, but the 3 videos together (excluding the close-up) make me think otherwise. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
"Fake, Fake, Fake" To quote Elaine Benes from the TV sitcom Seinfeld. |
BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 69 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0 |
Please give me some definitive proof so I can agree with you! |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/43zh0g/seinfeld-seasons-5-6-giftset-the-mango also: you could ask the creator of the video to come clean. |
BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 69 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0 |
http://www.spike.com/video-clips/43zh0g/seinfeld-seasons-5-6-giftset-the-mango Guilty til proven innocent... got it! Kind of like Saddam and those WMD's that were never found after 9/11. Sorry to disagree with you, but the burden of proof lies on the skeptics, plain and simple! |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
why wouldnt the Israeli military say something. Heck the run patrols 24/7. not one mention. all the other tourists in town didn't notice either. And why would this "tourist" be hanging around on a deserted hillside in the middle of the night in a very dangerous town. Perhaps hes a native and was creating a fake video. Let's not forget that Eric posted a website that has video editing experts and they are quick to call it fake. I don't see or hear any other video experts claiming that its not fake. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
This is really a terrible attempt at debunking this particular sighting. They just claim there should be a reflection, the city lights should be blinking, or there should've been more witnesses (even though it was after 1AM in the Middle East, of all places). If these videos are clearly fakes, then they should easily be able to provide a legitimate explanation or point out legitimate discrepancies in all videos. I don't know, that little think called physics always gets in the way. What you are calling a "lame attempt" is precisely what any scientist would be looking for in "proof" caught in a video shoot. Sorry to disagree with you, but the burden of proof lies on the skeptics, plain and simple! No, you have that backwards. The burden of proof lies in the claimee. If anyone is claiming that the video is real, they must provide proof. You have to provide irrefutable evidence for your claim in order for it to be accepted. It never works the other way around; you can't just shoot a video and tell everyone else to disprove it. It doesn't work that way in a scientific community. |
Theramansi Send message Joined: 25 Jun 04 Posts: 97 Credit: 39,577,723 RAC: 63 |
Whether the video is real or fake is just a possible answer to what the object is. Even an authentic video doesn't mean squat. The lack of identifying the object isn't proof that its origin is alien. |
Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 14162 Credit: 79,603,650 RAC: 123 |
We will know about ET, in let's say 2031. A top Russian astronomer claimed Monday that humans will encounter extraterrestrial life by 2031. "Life exists on other planets and we will find it within 20 years," the scientist Andrei Finkelstein said, according to the Interfax News Agency. ~more~ SETI is also mentioned. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/alien-encounter-by-2031_n_886111.html Humans To Encounter Aliens By 2031: Russian Scientist |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
From that article. The astronomer added that 10 percent of known planets circling suns in the galaxy resemble Earth, We have no such proof. we barely know of about 350 extrasolar planets. Most of those planets are as large or larger than Jupiter. where he gets 10% is beyond me. He regretfully misses that aliens might only live in the "habitable" zone around these planets. By far most of the smaller planets are far to close to their stars to be habitable and we can barely see or find planets 3X our own. So to assume that 10% are earth size is just crazy and not based in science In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
By habitable in the context of SETI I think that we all mean that we could go there now and live without any artificial life support once we could figure out how to get there. I will venture a guess that we won't find a single planet that meets the criteria that this definition implies. Of course, I hope that I am wrong. There probably are a few such planets in the Galaxy but they may be too far away to ever find. Just a hunch--I am eagerly awaiting to see what we can find over the the next few decades. You can't prove a negative but just one example would prove me wrong. |
Jason Safoutin Send message Joined: 8 Sep 05 Posts: 1386 Credit: 200,389 RAC: 0 |
By habitable in the context of SETI I think that we all mean that we could go there now and live without any artificial life support once we could figure out how to get there. I will venture a guess that we won't find a single planet that meets the criteria that this definition implies. Of course, I hope that I am wrong. There probably are a few such planets in the Galaxy but they may be too far away to ever find. Just a hunch--I am eagerly awaiting to see what we can find over the the next few decades. You can't prove a negative but just one example would prove me wrong. There doesn't need to be a planet just like earth for life to exist on it. If bacteria can thrive/live in pools of arsenic infested water, or on the tip of volcanic vents in the ocean depths, then life can exist on planets that are nothing like earth. Life has proven to exist where humans cannot (on earth). So to assume that life is only relevant based on the conditions of earth, I think, is just stupidity. "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3 |
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