Many people around the world think that the particle accelerator is down, but is that the TRUTH no it has been in action since the problem is it produces a mutagenic particle not the HIGS BOSON but something else that has a high affinity for dna...

That is so implausible and conspiratorial that it is just laughable.

You certainly can't hide operation of the world's largest machine! The extra power station that is needed revving up it's output would be the first giveaway. Then how do you keep a few thousand employees, honourable scientists, and the media all quiet?


So...

Next uncorroborated drunken fairytale?

Keep searchin',
Martin

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Thanks MLI and Tulio i totally agree with you, but i have been informed that .it was an Aprils fools day joke that wasnt funny.

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

The only criticism one could make to CERN is whether it is a good idea to spend so much money and electricity to search for an hypothetical particle. The great theoretical physicist Ettore Majorana said once "physics in on a wrong track" before disappearing misteryously between Palermo and Naples in 1938.
Tullio

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I agree completely with that statement, that physics is on the wrong track .The problem is that there is a possibility that we have strayed so far from the right track that to repair the damage may take us a while,So many theories have been forward and everyone is defending it with tooth and nail, science has been politicized ,There is no correlation between the people who write the software to taste theories and the really physists as a result that some times models are deemed true on the basis of what is perceived on the large beautifull hd screens. I think we need a very broad spectrum of a combined team much broader than before which should include senior physists of various classes ,mathimaticians and senior software developers together with computer engineers and psycho-analyists to assess every theory for the past 100 years in much greater detail and especially paying very high attention to false constants introduced into theories to make them work.

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

I will not say that Physics is on a wrong path....

but it is getting more difficult to do science as we traditionally know it, as we define it, since Galileo Galilei:
We need to test and build experiments that confirm our theories.We started with small and simple experiments in laboratories, in undergrounds, cellars and such, but now, as you all know, we had to build huge modern "Cathedrals" that take lots of money, hundreds of experts like engineers, physicists and all those related to Science, and time (more than 20 years) to build CERN and the LHC.
It is like trying to reach the speed of light: the closer you want to get to it, the more energy/matter is required, making it impossible to reach.
And the results are quite slim in function to the efforts invested.
We have to remember that the CERN was the origin of internet, for example.
Maybe we will not see what we want/expect to see now, but thanks to these enormous efforts, we will have some new progress in other fields still unexplored the next years/decades.

As Álvaro de Rújula once said when given an interwiev, Álvaro de Rújula CERN Theoretical Physicist

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The Internet existed before CERN and the HTML language. I was using Gopher from 1991 and it was a command line server and browser system. Then Tim Berner-Lee invented HTML and the National Center for Supercomputing Applications invented Mosaic which was the first window-based browser. Then came Netscape, then Internet Explorer. The rest is history.
Tullio

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Physorg.com--->Particles are back in the LHC

During the last weekend (23-25 October) particles have once again entered the LHC after the one-year break that followed the incident of September 2008.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece

Is the Higgs boson particle preventing its own discovery?

Martin

Unbelievable!

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/06/baguette-toting-bird-stalls-atom-smasher/

Martin

A bird?? Something else will happen wait and see. God does not want to reveal the big bang!

ok..wrong in my last post. Sorry

I just found this, and maybe more information. You guys and gals decide.

9 November 2009

Particles have gone half way round the LHC



Splash event recorded by the CMS experiment on 7 November. The electromagnetic calorimeter is in red, the hadronic calorimeter in blue, the muon system is yellow and magenta. The barrel muon detector was on standby and the inner tracking detector was off.

On Saturday evening, at around 8 p.m., after passing through the LHCb detector, for the first time since last year's incident, protons arrived at the doorstep of the CMS experiment, thus completing half the journey around the LHC's circumference.

Low energy protons from the LHC were dumped in a collimator just upstream of the CMS cavern. The calorimeters and the muon chambers of the experiment saw the tracks left by particles coming from the dumping point (a so-called 'splash event', see image). During the weekend, bunches of protons were also sent in the clockwise direction passing through the ALICE detector and were dumped at point 3.

http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Welcome.html


More here: http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/features-archive/

Looks like the post above turned out to be false.
When will the LHC will restart?

Looks like the post above turned out to be false.
When will the LHC will restart?

We have a new go for the LHC this Friday---->La 'máquina del Big Bang', lista para volver a arrancar

Here the English version from "The Guardian"--->Scientists at Cern hold their breath as they prepare to fire up the LHC

If all goes to plan, beams of particles will begin whizzing around the LHC on Friday evening for the first time since last year's explosion.

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Dirk Villarreal Wittich,

Your right looks like it did start. Thanks! Here is an article i found and don't know much about the data.

Scientists Circulate Proton Beams in Big Bang Machine
Friday, November 20, 2009


GENEVA — Scientists circulated beams of protons in the world's largest atom smasher Friday night for the first time after a year of repairs caused by a spectacular failure after the $10 billion machine was heavily damaged by a simple electrical fault.

Progress on restarting the machine went faster than expected Friday evening and the first beam started circulating in a clockwise direction around the machine about 10 p.m., said James Gillies, spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research.

"Some of the scientists had gone home and had to be called back in," Gillies told The Associated Press.

SLIDESHOW: World's Largest Atom Smasher
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2009/10/09/worlds-largest-atom-smasher

The exact time of the start of the Large Hadron Collider was difficult to predict because it was based on how long it took to perform steps along the way, and in the end it happened about nine hours earlier than expected, Gillies said.

"This is an important milestone on the road towards" scientific experiments physics at the LHC, which are expected in 2010, he said.

The scientists have started to prepare to circulate another beam in the opposite, counterclockwise direction within the coming hours, Gillies said.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576068,00.html?test=latestnews

A current 21-Nov update from BBC News:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8371662.stm

with more detail about yesterday's restart and how things are going so far.

I wish them the best! It's exciting.

Martin

Cern is trying to discover this i think dark matter.

Rather than start another thread, this post is related.

Ont. grants $9M in search for dark matter
By QMI AGENCY

SUDBURY, Ont. — The provincial government will spend more than $9 million to help Canadian and international researchers unlock one of the universe’s great mysteries.

John Milloy, Ontario’s minister of Research and Innovation, announced the money for dark matter research at the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory (SNOLAB).

“In the field of astrophysics particles, Sudbury is doing well now because of the discoveries made by the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory,” said Mark Chen, co-lead researcher of the project. “The new experiments will involve deep exploration to search the world looking solely for dark (matter) particles.”

“We know they exist, but have yet to be discovered.”

Even though it’s never been seen, scientists believe dark matter makes up a quarter of the universe.

SNOLAB, located deep inside Vale Inco’s Creighton Mine, will get $9 million so 120 scientists can conduct particle astrophysics experiments.

“You have helped make Ontario an important research centre for Canada,” Milloy, who is also Ontario’s minister of Training, Colleges and Universities, said Thursday.

“It’s important to have innovative people and innovative thinking which will build the future of this region and of this province. We are so optimistic about what’s happening in Sudbury. We look for amazing things to continue to happen in Sudbury.”

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2010/01/22/12576941-qmi.html

AFAIK LHC is not searching for dark natter but for the Higgs boson and for other particles predicted by supersymmetry but never detected so far (neutralinos and others). Instead the European Community is debating whether to launch a satellite/telescope designed to look for dark matter, but it is competing with other two projects. Personally, I am not convinced of the existence of dark matter. Maybe we should look for new gravitation theories valid at very high distances (quantum gravity?).
Tullio

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AFAIK LHC is not searching for dark natter but for the Higgs boson and for other particles predicted by supersymmetry but never detected so far (neutralinos and others). Instead the European Community is debating whether to launch a satellite/telescope designed to look for dark matter, but it is competing with other two projects. Personally, I am not convinced of the existence of dark matter. Maybe we should look for new gravitation theories valid at very high distances (quantum gravity?).
Tullio

I believe that is why they are looking for the Higgs.

As to dark matter, it is just cold normal stuff. Why it is cold is more interesting as one would expect it to be at least the CMB temperature.

Dark energy is the weird, to us anyway, stuff. I suspect that it is the confirmation of more dimensions than the 4 of space time. A way to look at this is to consider a universe that is 2 D. We are 3 D. What happens to the 2 D sheet universe when we go through it in 3 D? Something perhaps gets pushed around a bit. I think that is all we will ever know about it, it that it could be the fingers of a multi-dimensional God's hand stretching out the fabric of space time. Our universe could be a hand exercise ball to a god.

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Gary writes:

I believe that is why they are looking for the Higgs.

As to dark matter, it is just cold normal stuff. Why it is cold is more interesting as one would expect it to be at least the CMB temperature.

Dark energy is the weird, to us anyway, stuff. I suspect that it is the confirmation of more dimensions than the 4 of space time. A way to look at this is to consider a universe that is 2 D. We are 3 D. What happens to the 2 D sheet universe when we go through it in 3 D? Something perhaps gets pushed around a bit. I think that is all we will ever know about it, it that it could be the fingers of a multi-dimensional God's hand stretching out the fabric of space time. Our universe could be a hand exercise ball to a god.

I agree and very well said.

Thanks!

Well folks, today the Cern scientists near Geneva were successful when they collided beams of protons at the highest energy levels ever seen. No black holes, no time jumping. Just Boom!