tullio; That's an interesting question you ask. Why would the U.S. Air Force suddenly withhold data about incoming fireballs and bolides from scientists? Someone tried to make the case that an adversarial power could analyze what the Air Force detected, and deduce, in detail, their system's capabilities. This is obviously something the Air Force would not like to have happen. On the surface this sounds reasonable. But if this were a real concern, why has this data been allowed to flow freely for the past fifteen years? It just doesn't make sense. The Air Force would have considered this issue before it ever let the data out in the first place. If it was alright to let the data out for fifteen years, why, suddenly, isn't it? Something has changed, and so changed the Air Force' policy. The Air Force refuses to give a reason for this change, presumably because the reason is something they do not wish us to know. What could that reason possibly be? It would seem to have to do with something the Air Force satellites have recently detected very near Earth, and/or something they expect to be detected in the near future. This raises some very interesting questions. Michael

All I know of the US Air Force is that they have not an oversecretive attitude. Around 1956, at Aviano Air Base near Udine, they let me take photos of the RB57 plane (English Canberra) which was a kind of a spy plane. Had I taken some photos of a military aircraft in an Italian Air Force base I would have ended in a military jail. So this new attitude leaves me perplexed. Maybe you are right and they have discovered something.
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tullio; That's an interesting question you ask. Why would the U.S. Air Force suddenly withhold data about incoming fireballs and bolides from scientists? Someone tried to make the case that an adversarial power could analyze what the Air Force detected, and deduce, in detail, their system's capabilities. This is obviously something the Air Force would not like to have happen. On the surface this sounds reasonable. But if this were a real concern, why has this data been allowed to flow freely for the past fifteen years? It just doesn't make sense. The Air Force would have considered this issue before it ever let the data out in the first place. If it was alright to let the data out for fifteen years, why, suddenly, isn't it? Something has changed, and so changed the Air Force' policy. The Air Force refuses to give a reason for this change, presumably because the reason is something they do not wish us to know. What could that reason possibly be? It would seem to have to do with something the Air Force satellites have recently detected very near Earth, and/or something they expect to be detected in the near future. This raises some very interesting questions. Michael

Gosh, maybe just maybe Obama decided that North Korea is a real threat and they don't want that insane idiot to know what they can find out about him so he doesn't design a missile that can't be found before it delivers its payload. It has been a couple decades since the end of the cold war and people have forgotten what level of secrecy is involved in war.

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North Korea has been able to fire missiles at our allies in the region for a number of years. The Bush administration was fully aware of the threats this nation posed, even went so far as to call it part of an axis of evil. A missile interception system was put in place by this same administration, in Alaska, California, and at sea, in anticipation that North Korea could fire a missile at U.S. territory. Why then, I wonder, was the Air Force surveillance satellite data on meteors not embargoed several years ago, if it could reveal anything of real importance to an adversary, instead of just a few months ago?

Some people claims that nibiru location is -6.01931, -91.5903 if u enter the cords in google sky you can see somehing that your not suppose to see.

There is also a translucent alien arecibo-like antenna at RA 18:42:50.72, Dec 41:14:13.32 - it's pretty close to Vega. Maybe "Contact" was right.

Yeah I found that myself. Just look at what is around Polaris. Is that a wormhole?

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North Korea has been able to fire missiles at our allies in the region for a number of years. The Bush administration was fully aware of the threats this nation posed, even went so far as to call it part of an axis of evil. A missile interception system was put in place by this same administration, in Alaska, California, and at sea, in anticipation that North Korea could fire a missile at U.S. territory. Why then, I wonder, was the Air Force surveillance satellite data on meteors not embargoed several years ago, if it could reveal anything of real importance to an adversary, instead of just a few months ago?

You think that bumbling idiot that was a weed grown to the size of a shrub had the brains to embargo it? Of course at the time N Korea couldn't do anything more than blow them up on the pad nor had they had their fizz dud A bomb test, so it may not have appeared to matter.
Security audit. Someone realized there was a potential hole and closed it. Especially when there came real talk about shooting down one. I read this to mean orders for that were given with parameters. They don't want them to launch at a nothing target and then do a short re-target burn in flight to a real target that might have been a shorter burn time than the sat would sense. If you know the sense time, you can design that.

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Planet-x is coming from the south. Look for it in the ultraviolet band. It’s a dwarf star with 1 or 2 satellites which could be the fable Nibiru which would make more sense.
It will pass a great distance from us and will cause all kinds of devastations witch we are already noticing. As in (Tidal Waves, Severe Storms, Global warming,) not only the earth ice caps melting. It’s also the cause of the unexplained movement of the other planets in our system.
You can also find evidence of its previous passes in older lava flows that would suggest are planet has shifted off its axes on more the one occasion. This event happens every 3600 years that last being Noa’s flood. Not to mention the maps of Antarctica that show it with no ice. (Fabled Atlantis)
You will also notice that the governments are putting themselves in a position to seize all the world’s natural recourses. AKA (IRAK just to name one) and why would they be building underground shelters in Australia and massive seed vaults in the artic?
And curiously enough why is every religion on earth based on astrological template (Zeitgeist) depicting a cosmic end, maybe our ancestors just decided the information was to devastating that they had to turn it into a religion.
Not to mention the scientist admitting making a mistake on the next solar cycle by a factor of 20.
If history has shown us anything is that man will prevail. This event will change life on earth as we know it. The funny part about it is there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. The solar activity alone will put us in the dark ages.
So head for high ground and unpack your old cb and ham radios and enjoy the ride.

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Nibiru or Planet X in my opinion ... bullshit! Why? I'm no physicist, astronomer or mathematician but I know that a mass big enough for a planet traveling through the solar system like a comet would have destabilized the rest of the solar system a long time ago particularly the inner planets because of their "low" mass.

And as far as I know the last 3,5 - 4 billion years were quit stable compared to the time 1 billion years earlier. Perhaps apart from the event that caused Uranus rotation axis to differ from the rest of the planets. But so far nobodys seems to have any valid informations about that event let alone when it happend.


Of course you can make good money selling books and papers with topics like this ... . That doesn't mean the scientists should not test theories like this.


Gruß

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A big mass traveling through the solar system would have destabilized it if the mass was a astral body wich doesn't belong to solar system.
As Nibiru belongs to solar system, it has an orbit duration of 3600 years, it doesn't destabilize the planets orbit (only a small irregularities), but as for its inclined orbit Nibiru should have came very close to Earth, it with the Earth should have very strong electromagnetic reactions: increase in temperature, earthquakes, eruptions, tsunamis...

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A big mass traveling through the solar system would have destabilized it if the mass was a astral body which doesn't belong to solar system.
As Nibiru belongs to solar system, it has an orbit duration of 3600 years, it doesn't destabilize the planets orbit (only a small irregularities), but as for its inclined orbit Nibiru should have came very close to Earth, it with the Earth should have very strong electromagnetic reactions: increase in temperature, earthquakes, eruptions, tsunamis...

I think the Chinese would have mentioned It, As their part of Civilization has been around for about 5000 years or so. So It's nothing more than a myth.

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I think asteroids are a much bigger danger to the Earth than Nibiru: Look here:
NEO
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I think the Chinese would have mentioned It, As their part of Civilization has been around for about 5000 years or so. So It's nothing more than a myth.

Not only the Chinese, but all ancient civilizations assigned to their gods the causes of things that they could not explain: storms, hurricanes, eclipses, earthquakes ... If they couldn't explain eclipses, meteorites etc. How could they understand the solar system and its planets including Nibiru?
So handed down by the people of those times until now all these "mysteries" were myths.
Now they are no longer myths because we can explain these mysteries.

NASA downgrades threat of large asteroid
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Earth can breathe a sigh of relief.

NASA on Wednesday downgraded the odds of an 885-foot asteroid striking the planet in 2036.

Scientists initially believed there was a 1-in-45,000 chance that Apophis could hit the planet on April 13, 2036. But the threat was lowered to a 1-in-250,000 chance after researchers recalculated the asteroid’s path.

“It wasn’t anything to worry about before. Now it’s even less so,” said Steve Chesley, an astronomer with the Near Earth Object Program at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

Chesley and his colleagues refined the asteroid’s orbit after an astronomer in Hawaii analyzed previously unreleased images that gave scientists a better idea of Apophis’ position.

Earth got a scare in 2004 when initial measurements suggested the newly discovered Apophis seemed to have a chance of hitting the planet in 2029. Further observations ruled out any possibility of an impact.


Scientists are tracking Apophis, which is slated to come within 18,300 miles above Earth’s surface in 2029.

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On the Net:

NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/

2012 anyone???

Should not be observed only the asteroids, also if Apophis will not hit the Earth there may be other problems: planets, inversion electromagnetic, alignments...

For some problems will change anything to the Earth, there are no certain evidence so we are not sure which is the reason. In fact since some years the activity of the Earth is increasing: continue to increase, albeit slightly, the temperature, tornadoes, tsunamis and earthquakes.

The reason for the increase, as I said, is not sure, but it can be the aproaching a planet, the exchange of the north with the south, the alignment of the Earth with the center of the galaxy...

I don't know if it is better or worse but for one of these reasons in 2012 the Earth will have changed something

IBEX satelite has detected something unexpected just at the edge of our heliosphere ,on critical analysis the emissions are not uniform as i would expect them to be,but then again its possible that IBEX hasnt completed proper mapping of that region.scientists report it as totally unexpected and have tried to provide an explaination as to what could be happening .I personally have looked at it and their explanation is not convincing for i would expect a uniform emission but instead its ribbon like, and i think that its possible that we have an intermediate sized black hole sitting just at the edge of our solar system .I thus throw this possibility to all of you who may be more knownlegable than me , to look at this possibility.

MYSTERY EMISSION ON OUR DOOR STEP/SOLAR SYSTEM EDGE

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We choose to go to the moon and to do other things, we choose to go to the moon not because its easy but because its hard. kennedy

Neither I know the precise explanation but a black hole can't be, because if there is a black hole, also the smallest, it attract everything inside it.

The explanation could be the aproaching a planet, the alignment of the planets with the Sun and with the center of the galaxy, and other phenomena of this type. Because with this phenomena the electromagnetic activity of Solar System increases and it can have something unexpected.

I don't trust Nasa, let alone our government.

Found this link Nov. 9, 2009

NASA on a crusade to debunk 2012 apocalypse myths
Nov 9 02:37 PM US/Eastern

The world is not coming to an end on December 21, 2012, the US space agency insisted Monday in a rare campaign to dispel widespread rumors fuelled by the Internet and a new Hollywood movie.
Sony Pictures's latest big screen offering "2012" arrives in theaters on Friday, with a 200-million-dollar production about the end of the world supposedly based on myths backed by the Mayan calendar.

The doomsday scenario revolves claims that the end of time will come as an obscure Planet X -- or Nibiru -- heads toward or collides into Earth.

The mysterious planet was supposedly discovered by the Sumerians, according to claims by pseudo-scientists, paranormal activity enthusiasts and Internet theorists.

Some websites accuse NASA of concealing the truth on the wayward planet's existence, but the US space agency denounced such stories as an "Internet hoax."

"There is no factual basis for these claims," NASA said in a question-and-answer posting on its website.

If such a collision were real "astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye," it added. "Obviously, it does not exist."

"Credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012," NASA insisted.

Initial theories set the disaster for May 2003, but when nothing happened the date was moved forward to the winter solstice in 2012 to coincide with the end of a cycle of the ancient Mayan calendar.

But NASA insisted the Mayan calendar in fact does not end on December 21, 2012, as another period begins immediately afterward. And it said there are no planetary alignments on the horizon for the next few decades.

And even if the planets were to line up as some have forecast, the effect on our planet would be "negligible," NASA said.

Among the other theories NASA has set out to debunk are that geomagnetic storms, a pole reversal or unsteadiness in the Earth's crustal plates might befall the planet.

And while comets and asteroids have always hit the Earth, "big hits are very rare," NASA noted. The last major impact was believed to be 65 million years ago, spurring the end of dinosaurs.

"We have already determined that there are no threatening asteroids as large as the one that killed the dinosaurs," the space agency said.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.d1a7d73018336ea872c383a980ddb006.5a1&show_article=1

I'd like to meet these astronomers that believe that there is a large unknown body racing around our solar that has yet to be seen. We've found planets around stars light years away but can't find one in our own neighborhood? Bunk all bunk. Tiresome fictional bunk.

Did anyone ever consider that the Sumerians might actually have fictional writing. or that this was part of their God's pagan panatheon.

For starters Sumerian astronomy was about as advanced as looking at the stars and seeing shapes. The babelonians were Astronomers.

If this planet were approaching earth say... for the 2012 Dooms day. It would have to already be within the orbit of Saturn. This is the same hoax that someone was pushing back in 2000 to say the world was ending then. It seems that everytime anyone finds a reference to an ancient culture that states the world will end in XXXX years we fall for it. If these folks were so good at predicting the future why aren't they here now?

I agree skildude, Complete and utter bunk, Maybe good for a movie, But for anything else? As scrooge says: Bah Humbug!

I'll be here and quite alive on December 25th 2012 celebrating Christmas.

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I heard all news of 2012, maya,Sumerians and Egyptian on TV and net.
If these are all lies to have plays on TV,fictional writing and movies,
you are right

If these folks were so good at predicting the future why aren't they here now?
They aren't here now for the reason (end, time exchange ,...) that they say.

In fact, who will ensure you that there isn't a large unknown body racing around our solar ?
Like on TV and net there may be lies, also scientists can tell lies.

The explanation isn't only a planet, but we must consider also the change of electromagnetic activity caused by a particular alignment or reversal of the poles, impact of a meteorite causato by the passage in a area of the galaxy full of debris... Events that (may repeat) state the world will end every xxxx years

EVERYONE CAN BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT