You'd have to ask the FBI and NSA.

I wouldn't expect an answer though.

:D

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The implication that people are being tracked when there is no reason to be wasting time, money, and resources monitoring their actions is basically the definition of wacko conspiracy theorist.

i will bet you that bush ministration feel differently after embarrassing news have flooded in before and after since 911 , and i don´t mean porsche

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"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

What's the evidence?

If you're looking for 'material' evidence, it has long been shredded, or is out of reach...

The reason I include the latter, is because I know how much they like their mementos...

The only evidence remaining, is the evidence of their behavior...

Which is usually just mental bullying, but push the wrong button, and it's 911 all over again...

Emotionally insecure babies throw temper tantrums, emotionally unstable adults tend to do the same... ;)

(What's the evidence that I'm 'wrong'? You can say it, but I'll bet you can't prove it.)

If everything I type at my PC is logged and scanned remotely, it stands to reason that there is an agent on my PC forwarding everything I type. Such an agent must be capable, either of storing significant amounts of information itself (as I am not always connected to the internet) or of accessing my hard disks and storing said information there. As I've assembled my PC from the motherboard up, I'm pretty certain there's nothing on that board capable of storing said information, the agent must be able to write to the hard disks, and therefore must co-operate with the OS. Given that Linux OS source code is freely available and there's been nothing said about interaction with CIA/FBI/NSA/MI5/MI6, etc, etc recording agents, well you get the point.

So again, what's the evidence?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

No need to be troubled if your not a terrorist, bobby,

You can google the rest. Easiest way to understand it is imagining the internet as a phone call. Now pull out an old phone bill and have a look. By the w ay, phone calls are also monitored for key words and trigger, and cell phones don't need to be on for people to listen in.

I know, more claims with no evidence. But seriously... Google these things.

When you get your google results, look at the source before clicking the link.

BINGO

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

If everything I type at my PC is logged and scanned remotely, it stands to reason that there is an agent on my PC forwarding everything I type.

Most people just have their internet traffic sniffed... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

No need to be troubled if your not a terrorist, bobby,

You can google the rest. Easiest way to understand it is imagining the internet as a phone call. Now pull out an old phone bill and have a look. By the w ay, phone calls are also monitored for key words and trigger, and cell phones don't need to be on for people to listen in.

I know, more claims with no evidence. But seriously... Google these things.

When you get your google results, look at the source before clicking the link.

BINGO

I think we all understand that ISP's, phone companies, etc. collect and maintain user data for a variety of reasons, but the sheer volume of information collected in this way necessitates a purging of files on a regular basis UNLESS a particular user exhibits traits worthy of further investigation.

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IP's and ISP's, yes,

Though text files are very small in space requirements, and can be printed out and archived if space is ever an issue.

Google will illuminate the remainder, which is vast.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

No need to be troubled if your not a terrorist, bobby,

You can google the rest. Easiest way to understand it is imagining the internet as a phone call. Now pull out an old phone bill and have a look. By the w ay, phone calls are also monitored for key words and trigger, and cell phones don't need to be on for people to listen in.

I know, more claims with no evidence. But seriously... Google these things.

When you get your google results, look at the source before clicking the link.

BINGO

Tracking which sites are visited from a particlar source IP is a vastly different thing to logging and scanning everything I type, the first can be achieved from my own router, or any router between that and my ISP internet entry point, the latter requires an agent, you claimed the latter, where's the evidence.

BTW, cell phones do need to be on for people to hear voice over them, without power there's no transmission, it may be possible to turn a cell phone into a listening device if it is switched on, but not when it's off.

The gov't listening in on phone calls has been widely reported, it's not as extensive as you suggest, but, even so, it's still more than I can say I'm happy about.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

UNLESS a particular user exhibits traits worthy of further investigation.

At which point, don't be surprised when your computer starts mysteriously crashing... ;)

(Powerful tools in the hands of stupid people will do that to you every time.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

No need to be troubled if your not a terrorist, bobby,

You can google the rest. Easiest way to understand it is imagining the internet as a phone call. Now pull out an old phone bill and have a look. By the w ay, phone calls are also monitored for key words and trigger, and cell phones don't need to be on for people to listen in.

I know, more claims with no evidence. But seriously... Google these things.

When you get your google results, look at the source before clicking the link.

BINGO

Tracking which sites are visited from a particlar source IP is a vastly different thing to logging and scanning everything I type, the first can be achieved from my own router, or any router between that and my ISP internet entry point, the latter requires an agent, you claimed the latter, where's the evidence.

BTW, cell phones do need to be on for people to hear voice over them, without power there's no transmission, it may be possible to turn a cell phone into a listening device if it is switched on, but not when it's off.

The gov't listening in on phone calls has been widely reported, it's not as extensive as you suggest, but, even so, it's still more than I can say I'm happy about.

http://www.google.com


Gotta click that link, bobby,

It's been in the news several times, (Amazingly.), and so has the cell phone data. It came up in some article where the FBI admitted to it's use while tracking and listening in on Mafioso. It can be achieved with any cell phone, apparently.

The burden of proof is on the plaintiff, so google it buddy. If I'm wrong I'll eat my hat.

habeas corpus



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

The burden of proof is on the plaintiff, so google it buddy. If I'm wrong I'll eat my hat.

I couldn't have said it better.

Exactly WHEN are you going to provide proof of your claims instead of asking Bobby to do it for you?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Carnivore

Magic Lantern

Hmm... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Some things need to be done on ones own.


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I'm not denying such agents exist, indeed some employers have been known to install keystroke recorders on their machines. I have not installed such an agent, yet you stated that one is on my PC anyway. You made the assertion, you defend it with evidence.

On the cell phone thing, I guess you're talking about this: "Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set."

My handset is not such a device, when it's powered off it is off.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Some things need to be done on ones own.


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I'm not denying such agents exist, indeed some employers have been known to install keystroke recorders on their machines. I have not installed such an agent, yet you stated that one is on my PC anyway. You made the assertion, you defend it with evidence.

On the cell phone thing, I guess you're talking about this: "Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set."

My handset is not such a device, when it's powered off it is off.

Even removing the battery is no guarantee now-a-days,

Kind of like the small battery you noticed on your motherboard.

;)

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Some things need to be done on ones own.


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I'm not denying such agents exist, indeed some employers have been known to install keystroke recorders on their machines. I have not installed such an agent, yet you stated that one is on my PC anyway. You made the assertion, you defend it with evidence.

On the cell phone thing, I guess you're talking about this: "Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set."

My handset is not such a device, when it's powered off it is off.

Even removing the battery is no guarantee now-a-days,

Kind of like the small battery you noticed on your motherboard.

;)

The small battery on the motherboard ensures the system clock advances in the absence of an external power supply. While it's quite likely that some cell phones have a second battery that serves a similar purpose, the ability of that battery to power a transmitter for any significant duration is questionable.

And still no evidence that a keystroke logging agent is installed on my PC, could it be that not everything I type is logged and scanned after all?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

. . . even though Telephone - cells included - calls are being 'recorded' 24/7 - it is still

a matter of 'need to know' basis - that somebody's goin' to be lookin' at that said informations . . .

and, there are very few individuals that have the status / clearance to look at said informations - in the first place . . .

> back to you . . .

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BOINC Wiki . . .

Science Status Page . . .

Some things need to be done on ones own.


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I'm not denying such agents exist, indeed some employers have been known to install keystroke recorders on their machines. I have not installed such an agent, yet you stated that one is on my PC anyway. You made the assertion, you defend it with evidence.

On the cell phone thing, I guess you're talking about this: "Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set."

My handset is not such a device, when it's powered off it is off.

Even removing the battery is no guarantee now-a-days,

Kind of like the small battery you noticed on your motherboard.

;)

The small battery on the motherboard ensures the system clock advances in the absence of an external power supply. While it's quite likely that some cell phones have a second battery that serves a similar purpose, the ability of that battery to power a transmitter for any significant duration is questionable.

And still no evidence that a keystroke logging agent is installed on my PC, could it be that not everything I type is logged and scanned after all?

The small battery on your motherboard was an example. I know it is for the system clock, etc. Keystroke logging on your system is not needed since you transmit what is watched. I never said there was a keyboard logger on your system. I guess you did?

Keyboard loggers are used as something someone coming into your home can place inline anywhere in or inline of your keyboards connection wire. I didn't say anything about loggers of this kind. Some are software driven and can be on your HDD, though.

Still more questions instead of google? Interesting.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Still more questions instead of google? Interesting.

LOL

YOU can't even find creditable evidence to support your vague and ambiguous claims....what makes you think anyone else is going to waste their time on it?

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Still more questions instead of google? Interesting.

LOL

YOU can't even find creditable evidence to support your vague and ambiguous claims....what makes you think anyone else is going to waste their time on it?

Don't waste your time then. Free choice.



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Kucinich introduces Bush impeachment resolution



http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach/


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a former Democratic presidential candidate from Ohio, introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush into the House of Representatives on Tuesday.
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Kucinich announced his intention to seek Bush's impeachment Monday night, when he read the lengthy document into the record.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive.

Most of the congressman's resolution deals with the Iraq war, contending that the president manufactured a false case for the war, violated U.S. and international law to invade Iraq, failed to provide troops with proper equipment and falsified casualty reports for political purposes.

Kucinich also charges that Bush has illegally detained without charge both U.S. citizens and "foreign captives" and violated numerous U.S. laws through the use of "signing statements" declaring his intention to do so.

Other articles address global warming, voting rights, Medicare, the response to Hurricane Katrina and failure to comply with congressional subpoenas.

Last year, Kucinich introduced a resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney. But in November when Republicans tried to force a debate on the move, the attempt failed. Democrats voted to send the resolution to the House Judiciary Committee, where committee chairman Rep. John Conyers has taken no action on it.

An earlier resolution to impeach Cheney has languished in the House Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties since May 2007.

The House of Representatives has voted to impeach two presidents -- Andrew Johnson, in 1868, and Bill Clinton, in 1999 -- but both were acquitted by the Senate and remained in office. No U.S. vice president has been impeached.

Kucinich dropped out of the race for the Democratic nomination for president in January to focus on his re-election bid in Ohio. He handily won the Democratic primary in his district on March 4 and faces former State Representative Jim Trakas in the general election.

http://impeachforpeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss