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MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080&q=en 6 minutes - video . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
While JFK's speech was great, I was not impressed with the distracting slideshow that someone attached, especially with the juxtaposition of historical images with images from popular entertainment and images that have been, for want of a better term, Photoshoped. In my opinion they take too much away from one of JFK's better speeches. Do you have a link to just JFK's speech (sans slideshow)? |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
I should have watched it first. My apologies. The one I wanted to post didn't include any of that weirdness. MODERATOR: Could you please replace the link in post 1 of this thread to show this link which is the same speech, minus the awful slide show? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1854894833414174983&q=JFK+Speech+on+Secret+Societies&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
I should have watched it first. My apologies. I am sorry, but moderators cannot edit the posts of others. This is one of the most important speeches given by one of the greatest Presidents of the USA of the 20th Century. Too bad the audio is heavily edited in the links you have found. The edited version almost completely changes the meaning of the speech. In the interests of completeness, I will post the text of the entire speech and give a link to it. On the page I will link, there is a link to the complete audio recording of the speech. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Audio link on following page from the official JFK Library website. The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association President John F. Kennedy Waldorf-Astoria Hotel New York City, April 27, 1961 Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen: |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Wow, not heard that one before. Really rollercoastered those press guys :D [ If I would've been one of them I wouldn't quite know what to do... probably hide ] "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Thanks KWSN - MajorKong, If you'd like to delete this thread and start it again with just your data I would be pleased. I have been political for about a week and a half and am making mistakes. Thank you for your work! "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Thanks KWSN - MajorKong, MrGray, Personally, I think the thread should stand. Don't worry about any mistakes you think you might have made! Its all part of the learning process. We have all made them. However, I think you are doing a fine job on this. The the quotations (audio as well as textual) of the speech discussed in this thread is a perfect example of a point that I would like to illustrate, and I thank you for providing the opportunity. The first link you provided was obviously audio edited and matched up to a slide show by someone pursuing an agenda. The author of that video clip used audio excerpts from Kennedy's speech to condemn all instances of government secrecy, reinforcing his point with the slideshow with special application to the administration of Bush the Younger. In so doing, the author not only misrepresented the point of Kennedy's speech, but also misrepresented Kennedy's entire position on the matter. I studied Kennedy's speeches years ago, so I had a vague recollection of this speech. While I remembered several phrases, I didn't think it matched up with what I remembered as the point of the speech. So, I dug around, and found the complete text and audio, and sure enough... In your original link, the author of that clip edited Kennedy's speech to make it appear that Kennedy was against all forms of government secrecy, and was instructing the news media to report/publish everything. The complete text makes it plain that, while Kennedy respected the need for openness in government, he still believed that some secrecy was necessary in the name of national security. In his speech, Kennedy was asking the news media (newspapers were still the primary source, TV news had not yet eclipsed them) to voluntarily 'muzzle' itself when it came to sensitive areas concerning national security. As one can see, there is quite a bit of difference between the two positions. My point is that, when someone quotes a source, one should check into it, and independently verify that source. Out of context quotes can be dangerous indeed. Keep up the good work, MrGray! But, knowing some of your other interests from other threads, I might say that the tagline from a certain fictional TV series dealing with aliens and the unexplained might have broader applicability. Trust no one! People shouldn't blindly trust me, you, or ANYONE else. People should independently verify as much of what they hear and read as is possible. It would make it very much tougher to pull the wool over our eyes. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Thanks KWSN - MajorKong, Thank you very, very much, Sir. The the quotations (audio as well as textual) of the speech discussed in this thread is a perfect example of a point that I would like to illustrate, and I thank you for providing the opportunity. I'm just glad you spotted the error so soon! Kudos The first link you provided was obviously audio edited and matched up to a slide show by someone pursuing an agenda. The author of that video clip used audio excerpts from Kennedy's speech to condemn all instances of government secrecy, reinforcing his point with the slideshow with special application to the administration of Bush the Younger. In so doing, the author not only misrepresented the point of Kennedy's speech, but also misrepresented Kennedy's entire position on the matter. Excellence! In your original link, the author of that clip edited Kennedy's speech to make it appear that Kennedy was against all forms of government secrecy, and was instructing the news media to report/publish everything. The complete text makes it plain that, while Kennedy respected the need for openness in government, he still believed that some secrecy was necessary in the name of national security. In his speech, Kennedy was asking the news media (newspapers were still the primary source, TV news had not yet eclipsed them) to voluntarily 'muzzle' itself when it came to sensitive areas concerning national security. As one can see, there is quite a bit of difference between the two positions. Indeed! Keep up the good work, MrGray! But, knowing some of your other interests from other threads, I might say that the tagline from a certain fictional TV series dealing with aliens and the unexplained might have broader applicability. Deciphering now. Trust no one! People shouldn't blindly trust me, you, or ANYONE else. People should independently verify as much of what they hear and read as is possible. It would make it very much tougher to pull the wool over our eyes. [/quote] Exactly! Always consider the source as well. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
1981 News report about Bohemian grove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCDs9Vs2iYM 5 minutes "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Templar Origins of Freemasonry: A hobby of mine: Decoding the Past: The Templar Code http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1176643089643885375&q=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3260590684535716582&q=en Other: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3468242625194735300&q=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4775729603895673174&q=en http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1176643089643885375&q=en "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Beg pardon, MrGray, but shouldn't these posts on Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, etc. more properly belong in another thread? The 'secret society' that JFK refered to in his speech was Communism, specifically the Communist government of the USSR. The subject of the Secret Societies such as Freemasonry and its links to the Knights Templar is a facinating subject, but I fail to see the connection between them and JFK. Perhaps if you might state in a few paragraphs the nature of the link, I might feel differently. Thank you. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Another late night error, I'm afraid, I wanted to post in the Eisenhower thread. The logic behind this was that many believe a secret society has taken over our country. The Templars were not all caught and burned at the stake by their accusers. It is reported that their vast fleet simply disappeared on Friday the 13th. Speculation as to where they went range from Switzerland, via land, and Scotland via sea. A legend tells of a land far to the west called "Merica." Some believe they rediscovered America, Merica, long before Columbus. (Vikings never mentioned much.) In Rosslyn Chapel, Scotland, there are illustrations in stone relief showing corn and a couple other American continent species unknown to Europe at the time. Rosslyn Chapel was built in 1440 - 1446 by the Sinclairs. (William, 1st Earl of Caithness) The Sinclair family has a founding family lineage of the Templars. Templar Day? http://www.rosslynchapel.org.uk/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosslyn_Chapel [Edit] Many say the Masons and Templars are not linked but they worked side by side in the middle east during the "Crusades". By studying both I have found many easy to see similarities. See Hiram Abiff and University of Bradford's Web of Hiram: http://www.bradford.ac.uk/webofhiram/ Many argue that the Masons began in the 1600 but the rituals can be traced back to the mystery schools af Egypt and prior to the Sumerians and Babylonians. The reasoning behind remaining hidden until the 1600's was the Catholic church. When the Masons could show themselves without too much fear of being killed and or tortured. [/Edit] Anyhow... No secret that many of our founding fathers here in America where Free Masons. Ben Franklin, George Washington, etc. The designer of the Washington D.C. Layout plan was a Mason as was the creator and gift bearer of the Statue of Liberty. See, "Columbia". The corner stone of the White House and many other DC buildings were laid down in a Masonic ceremony. Same ceremony that was performed by Masonic astronauts on the Moon. I forget if it was Franklin or Washington who warned about the Illuminate. Lemme look. brb. Ok it was Washington: http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/project/exhibit/hand/2.html Apparently the Illuminate are super pissed at the Catholic church for crimes against humanity and vow to destroy it and, as proposed by Washington, take over the world. He felt they were already infiltrating the Freemasons and warned about them, and his fears of it. Skull and Bones is another secret society that include H. Bush, and G. Bush, J. Kerry. I know there are more. brb. Older list: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm Can't find current list. More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones Bush video admitting membership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiisokDGbfA Long story short, (If not too late...), is that these secret societies of the ultra rich have embedded themselves within a system created by secret societies. (ie. America.) Thus the link between secret societies and the military industrial complex. In any case it is interesting reading and the parallels between them match time frames and rituals. Thus my hobby in it. Interesting attachments: The Grail, The Ark, Solomon's Temple. I'll leave some research fun for you to look into. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Another late night error, I'm afraid, Another possibility for the possible appearance of 'corn, etc.' in carvings of that chapel might be the Irish. There is much physical evidence that the Irish arrived in what would later be called 'North America' some time between 500CE and 1000CE. There are carvings that date from this time period in places near the East Coast of North America (most noteably West Virginia) that are in Old Irish using the Ogham alphabet. Furthermore, other Irish artifacts have been found in that area, also dating from the 500-1000CE time period. Also, certain Native American tribes have legends from that time period that indicate that red haired, blue eyed, white skinned men came to that area from over the sea, at a time much earlier than Columbus made his voyages on or after 1492CE. I believe it to be possible that the earlier Irish explorer/monks brought knowledge of these plants back home with them. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Being part Irish I am ready to accept this without further research! *Tiping my Guinness beer at ya!* "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Being part Irish I am ready to accept this without further research! Being both part Irish, and having, among my other Native American ancestry, some ancestry in one of the tribes with that legend, I return the toast. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
What tribe is that? Another hobby unstarted. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
MrGray, That tribe is the Cherokee. I am right at 1/4 Irish, and just shy of 1/4 Native American. The remainder of my ancestry is divided up from Scotland, amongst the Scots-Irish, and the rest from Germany with a small amount of Jewish ancestry mixed in as well. Of my Native American ancestry, the majority of it is from the Chiricahua Apache (1/8). The minority is from the Cherokee (3/32). |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
A fellow mutt, German French Irish Samoan Japanese And a pinch of Jewish for good luck. :D "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
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