Pappa,

I am sorry to see you leave from doing this. I don't think anyone can take your place in this position. You have earned a great amount of respect not only from crunchers but from Eric and the staff at UCB. I hope you don't leave, but if you do, I wsh you well, and thank you for doing what you did for the project.

Jeremy

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... As it appears that that I have wronged a number of people.

No, it's just that not all people will get on with everyone else.
Not only can't you please everyone all of the time, there are some people you will never be able to please at any time; no matter what you do.
Such is life.

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Not only can't you please everyone all of the time, there are some people you will never be able to please at any time; no matter what you do.
Such is life.

I'll second your comment.

And such are some people...

And considering the very large number of anonymous participants here, I'm amazed that we don't get more random "venting", or even just outright vandalism.

And there's always a few attention seekers whom get very jealous that they might not be able to immediately jump into their centre of attention...


This thread has got a little long and is about due for a revamp. Hope to see the new Pappa version soon! ;-)

Hopefully, s@h can be a good education as well as a lot of fun whilst doing Real Science.

Happy crunchin' to All,

Regards,
Martin

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Pappa....
Don't overreact to the few that are miffed because you perhaps didn't handle everything THEIR way and expressed their dissatisfaction at such.
Consider instead all of the good you have done for the project, the science, and the majority of other users who have appreciated your many efforts.
We need someone who will be the middleman, helping to relay communications, and putting the correct people in contact with those who can use the help offered.
Please reconsider staying. Your help has not gone unnoticed.

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Pappa....
Don't overreact to the few that are miffed because you perhaps didn't handle everything THEIR way and expressed their dissatisfaction at such...

And a big thank you for keeping those "miffed" people from directly "miffing" at the s@h staff.

I'd rather that the Science continues rather than a few miffers creating a miffing quagmire, whether or not howsoever intended in whatever way.

Those whom actually genuinely wish to usefully help will be quietly patient to help in whatever way is best.

(And no, I don't know any details but I can guess from some of the "generous offerings" I've seen for the good cause of a school which are rather less than 'useful'. Often, it's all misintentions from not understanding. Sometimes, it can be just 'laziness'. Enough speculation...)


Happy crunchin',
Martin

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Pappa

I whole heartily agree with:

Martin , Jeremy , Grant (SSSF) , msattler

I quote them .... because they ... say .. and write words .. so well !

I'm not very good at writing words , because I didn't get a very good .... education ... But I believe passionately in ... Science

you have poured , your , blood , sweat and tears into ... SETI@home ...

so I'll just write and say it the best way I know how :

Pappa ... Please_do__not_ give up on your dreams ... your tireless good work here at ... SETI@home ... Pappa ... please

Byron

Pappa....

Don't overreact to the few that are miffed because you perhaps didn't handle everything THEIR way and expressed their dissatisfaction at such...

And a big thank you for keeping those "miffed" people from directly "miffing" at the s@h staff.

I'd rather that the Science continues rather than a few miffers creating a miffing quagmire, whether or not howsoever intended in whatever way.

Those whom actually genuinely wish to usefully help will be quietly patient to help in whatever way is best.

(And no, I don't know any details but I can guess from some of the "generous offerings" I've seen for the good cause of a school which are rather less than 'useful'. Often, it's all misintentions from not understanding. Sometimes, it can be just 'laziness'. Enough speculation...)


Happy crunchin',
Martin

Pappa,

I am sorry to see you leave from doing this. I don't think anyone can take your place in this position. You have earned a great amount of respect not only from crunchers but from Eric and the staff at UCB. I hope you don't leave, but if you do, I wsh you well, and thank you for doing what you did for the project.

Jeremy

Pappa....

Don't overreact to the few that are miffed because you perhaps didn't handle everything THEIR way and expressed their dissatisfaction at such.
Consider instead all of the good you have done for the project, the science, and the majority of other users who have appreciated your many efforts.
We need someone who will be the middleman, helping to relay communications, and putting the correct people in contact with those who can use the help offered.
Please reconsider staying. Your help has not gone unnoticed.

msattler

... As it appears that that I have wronged a number of people.

Pappa

No, it's just that not all people will get on with everyone else.
Not only can't you please everyone all of the time, there are some people you will never be able to please at any time; no matter what you do.
Such is life.

Grant (SSSF)

iT goes without sayin' - Pappa - You've Done a WHole Lot of Good Here . . . Thank You Sir!

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Pappa,
No one can please all of the people all of the time. I was a Superior Court Judge for a while, and I remember one quote from one of the senior Judges when I was taking office. He said that he knew when he made a good decision when both parties felt that they lost. I have always tried my best in every situtation to make sure that everyone wins. Most of the time I am successful, but not always. I tend to work on large projects that directly impact hundreds of people at a time. I remember one project where the first public hearing had over 200 angry people opposing me. By the final public hearing the numbers had reversed. Most of the 200 were singing praises for my project. But still had about 5 that opposed it. I have found that most people who oppose my projects do so from ignorance. Some times intentional ignorance. They don't want to hear the truth.

Your work here has been invaluable. I have read most of the posts here for the last year or so, and find the same thing. People expect too much from an non-profit effort. Most of the negative posts come from a lack of understanding. People complain out of ignorance. I like you feel that Seti is of benifit to mankind, it is a nobel effort. If at all possible I implore you to continue your efforts to keep the project on it's feet. Let not the nay sayers deter you.

Please stay. But if you must leave, then thank you for all that you have done.

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Thank You, All

I am still here and will be for the next round of funding/donation issues.
Many people have stepped in to Help, with the particular type of hardware issues it becomes tougher. Many of the people that have helped, desired that their names to not be published. So on behalf of "all those Silent Seti Users." Thank You!

All that said, I know that Fiberchannel drives, and Big Sata drives are still outstanding, then some other server issues for Hardware. At this point, it would probably be better that this thread be allowed to join its predecessor.

As I can get more complete information about the hardware issues will start a new thread.

Regards to You All

Pappa

Pappa,
No one can please all of the people all of the time. I was a Superior Court Judge for a while, and I remember one quote from one of the senior Judges when I was taking office. He said that he knew when he made a good decision when both parties felt that they lost. I have always tried my best in every situtation to make sure that everyone wins. Most of the time I am successful, but not always. I tend to work on large projects that directly impact hundreds of people at a time. I remember one project where the first public hearing had over 200 angry people opposing me. By the final public hearing the numbers had reversed. Most of the 200 were singing praises for my project. But still had about 5 that opposed it. I have found that most people who oppose my projects do so from ignorance. Some times intentional ignorance. They don't want to hear the truth.

Your work here has been invaluable. I have read most of the posts here for the last year or so, and find the same thing. People expect too much from an non-profit effort. Most of the negative posts come from a lack of understanding. People complain out of ignorance. I like you feel that Seti is of benifit to mankind, it is a nobel effort. If at all possible I implore you to continue your efforts to keep the project on it's feet. Let not the nay sayers deter you.

Please stay. But if you must leave, then thank you for all that you have done.

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People complain out of ignorance.

You can say that again!

Why wasn't I made aware of this? Heads must roll! ...yet another time to blame Misfit...*chortle*

Pappa, as with all such things, the nay-sayers are usually much more vocal than the supporters. Also, at least for me, negative comments stick in your mind longer than positive ones. Don't let it get to you, your contribution to the project has been very helpful, and try to remember all the good stuff too :o)

Regards,
Simon.

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People complain out of ignorance.

You can say that again!

Why wasn't I made aware of this? Heads must roll! ...yet another time to blame Misfit...*chortle*

Pappa, as with all such things, the nay-sayers are usually much more vocal than the supporters. Also, at least for me, negative comments stick in your mind longer than positive ones. Don't let it get to you, ...

All well and good for Pappa. He's easily worked up a very good Karma.

But we're missing one Misfit out of all this... With such a non-Karma as his, and all the shotgun blasts of whatever flying his direction at all times day and night, his mind must be a long long way subterranean by now.


Any positivity to retrieve what's left of that poor lost soul? Or is he already Borg-ed beyond redemption?

;-(

Good luck
Martin

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Back to hard drives, Google have just published about their findings on failures of off-the-shelf HDD's.
disk_failures.pdf

Andy

A better URl for this article is http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf. On this day (06/06/2007) labs.google.com resolves to 209.85.163.132.

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Thank you all for your kind words to Pappa, he really has deserved every one of them.

And only a handful of people know how much he really has contributed...

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Thank you all for your kind words to Pappa, he really has deserved every one of them.

And only a handful of people know how much he really has contributed...

Agreed and seconded,

and a nice touch from yourself also :-)


Cheers All.
Martin

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As one of the concerned folks, please allow me to rephrase my beliefs after some long thoughts.

1) Pappa is overloaded...this may be contributing to the frustrations he's expressed at some of the opinions put here (not mine alone).

2) I believe this has been recommended, but I haven't seen hide-nor-hair of an update. We should have a TEAM of people. Right now there are concerns that the hardware issue is a very one-sided approach without a proper account of what is truly needed compared to what has been offered.

Let's have a TEAM of people (not only Pappa--all due respect Al)...1 on each continent. It would offer a more objective view of what is needed, and I suspect it would SPEED UP donations both hardware and monetary as well as upgrading SETI's systems substantially.

I hope someone of authority will reply to this...

Pete/Blurf

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Blurf

I have waited to see if someone would say something. It appears that part of what you recommended and what I have previously recommend in the past was expressed by Eric in this post Eric's annual post #7: SETI's little helpers, Sick Cat's and more proposals.
Excerpt taken out of context:
I've considered setting up a mailing list for people who want to assist in this manner. That way effort won't be duplicated. Would a little organization help in this case? Anyone want to be on the list? If so, email me the address you want to be contacted at: korpela at ssl dot berkeley dot edu. Appologies in advance for my wacky spam filter.

He has sent the request for "Volunteers," I hope enough people are reading and consider it.

Regards

Al

Edit:
No experience necessary, it is a learn as you go in reality...

As one of the concerned folks, please allow me to rephrase my beliefs after some long thoughts.

1) Pappa is overloaded...this may be contributing to the frustrations he's expressed at some of the opinions put here (not mine alone).

2) I believe this has been recommended, but I haven't seen hide-nor-hair of an update. We should have a TEAM of people. Right now there are concerns that the hardware issue is a very one-sided approach without a proper account of what is truly needed compared to what has been offered.

Let's have a TEAM of people (not only Pappa--all due respect Al)...1 on each continent. It would offer a more objective view of what is needed, and I suspect it would SPEED UP donations both hardware and monetary as well as upgrading SETI's systems substantially.

I hope someone of authority will reply to this...

Pete/Blurf

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