>
> > NAV is the worst CRAP out of there!!!
> > Dont use it, its totally useless!
> > Better use a free AV.
>
> I'll bet my Norton against your free AV any day. Post your IP address if
> interested.
>
>

The fact is, i run norton 2004 myself, and the updates came twice a week!
It costs a lot of system ressources, and gave me a feeling of security!
BUT
The firewall is crap (security suite or what its called), you cant even block ports alone, only in connection with ips...
So try to block emule ports, its impossible and you always get a warning that somebody is running portscans on your pc just because your ip was used in edonkey network before...

And another fact is, after i uninstalled NAV and installed a free av
www.free-av.com
this scanner detected 3 trojans... :|
1 i know of (its a mirc script and no danger so its no problem that it wasnt detected)
but 2 trojans which where not detected...
And the new av im using gets updates EVERY DAY! And its free for personal use!
Why to pay for a minor product?

And saving your harddisk is not the job of a AV, its a seperate product from Norton, which is very good, no question!
I just told my opinion of the norton anti virus software!
And as firewall im testing Outpost this time (there is a 30 day trial on the website) and this firewall is really good! Not as good as iptables, but accepteable and easy to use!
http://www.secinf.net/uplarticle/antivirus/Anti_Virus_Software.pdf
this test has a devasting score for norton....

Just my opinion, use norten if you are satisfied, but dl the free av and test your drive once, if its clear stay with norton if not try to explain why norton is the number one ...

I don't know if it still true today but a few years back I learned that there was three categories of antivirus programs.

1) ACTIVITY MONITORING
2) SCANNERS
3) INTEGRITY CHECKERS

All antivirus softwares of the same category will basicly work the same way and provides the same protection. For example, all softwares of the SCANNERS category having the same virus definition file will perform equaly on a given infected hard drive. What would make a particular brand to be superior compare to another would be is GUI, updates frequencies, options, etc.

Now I am wondering if the antivirus tools we are using today could actually belong to two or three caregories at the same times ?

Friendly
Marc

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> I tried one of those free check here we can find Jimmy Hoffa sites and I went
> in with a clean system and they found trojans, spyware, opti hardware and a
> couple of six shooters,

Yeah, a lot of these free online "services" will give you false positives in order to try and sell you something.

Some will even be so kind as to "give" your machine something...

> Now I am wondering if the antivirus tools we are using today could actually
> belong to two or three caregories at the same times ?
>
> Friendly
> Marc
>
Well NAV autoloads at startup and immediately quiries the Norton server for updates for new virus defs and other service updates. It scans EVERYTHING that is incoming (files, email, internet) and is programmable to autoscan your HD how often as you would like for viruses and program/registry integrity.

> Well NAV autoloads at startup and immediately quiries the Norton server for
> updates for new virus defs and other service updates. It scans EVERYTHING
> that is incoming (files, email, internet) and is programmable to autoscan your
> HD how often as you would like for viruses and program/registry integrity.

Thanks ! I have been using Norton for many years. What I was asking was If today's
antivirus could belong to more than one of these 3 categories.

1) ACTIVITY MONITORING
2) SCANNERS
3) INTEGRITY CHECKERS

example / "Officialy" NAV belong to SCANNERS category so any other antivirus in that
category using the same virus definition file will perform equaly on a given infected hard drive.

example / "Officialy" at it's beginning KASPERSKY was used by "pro" and was of the
ACTIVITY MONITORING category.

Now since NAV is also doing some kind of activity monitoring could it "officialy" be put
in to the first category as well as the second Category?

These categories are real ! The same as an Audio power amplifier final stage
will be of class A, B, AB, etc.

> Thanks ! I have been using Norton for many years. What I was asking was If
> today's
> antivirus could belong to more than one of these 3 categories.
>
> 1) ACTIVITY MONITORING
> 2) SCANNERS
> 3) INTEGRITY CHECKERS

Absolutely! They are in different modules but still the same package.

The only thing that I didn't care for in Norton was that it installed it's own SMTP server instance. In a corporate environment I found that very annoying. Sophos was the answer for me but that is just an opinion. :-)

Link.

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> > NAV is the worst CRAP out of there!!!
> > Dont use it, its totally useless!
> > Better use a free AV.
>
> Yeah, that's why it's the number one AV solution...
>
Could that be because they include the cd with new computers? I to could be number one if I could pay a couple of major computer manufactuers (two come to mind right away) to include my cd with every computer they sold.

I used to moonlight troubleshooting home computers (I do software support), if they were locking up or having hard drive errors you could bet 75 percent of the time they had NAV installed. Of that 90 percent of the time all symptoms went away when you remove the program (which can be a challenge in it's own). I have used McAfee at work and home for a long time, it has never let me down, does not hog resources, nor fouled up any of my machines.

But one nice thing about the world we live in, to each his own.

Just my five cents (adjusted due to excessive deficit spending, thanks GW).

> > I auto-run Norton Antivirus and I've never detected a virus in a WU.
> >
> >
>
> NAV is the worst CRAP out of there!!!
> Dont use it, its totally useless!
> Better use a free AV.
>
>

Your sir, are an idiot.

This thread is closed. Please use the one at section "Number crunching".
We try to keep this message board for S@H Science purposes.

You can find the thread here.

Thanks

> This thread is closed. Please use the one at section "Number crunching".
> We try to keep this message board for S@H Science purposes.
>
> You can find the thread <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/forum_thread.php?id=3858">here[/url].
>
> Thanks
>

Who closed it, and by what right.

M4rtyn

> Could that be because they include the cd with new computers? I to could be
> number one if I could pay a couple of major computer manufactuers (two come to
> mind right away) to include my cd with every computer they sold.

Actually, it's McAfee that does that...

> I used to moonlight troubleshooting home computers (I do software support), if
> they were locking up or having hard drive errors you could bet 75 percent of
> the time they had NAV installed. Of that 90 percent of the time all symptoms
> went away when you remove the program (which can be a challenge in it's own).
> I have used McAfee at work and home for a long time, it has never let me down,
> does not hog resources, nor fouled up any of my machines.

NAV is extremely benign as far as resources go... The poeple who complain about performance issues and such when pressed for info actually have Norton Systemworks which includes NAV. Systemworks has this amazing resource hog they call System Doctor which constantly monitors all kinds of crap. Tell people to turn that off, and the problems go away. Amazing huh?

> > I auto-run Norton Antivirus and I've never detected a virus in a WU.
> >
> >
>
> NAV is the worst CRAP out of there!!!
> Dont use it, its totally useless!
> Better use a free AV.
>
>

Agreed. Piggybacks the kernel, uses way too much RAM, slows down the computer.

funny how all most ever AV out there uses the same data base!

Trent, mcacrap steal there data base from NAV. You look and see! 1/2 hour after NAV sends out a AV update so will most of the rest.

MY self? I run 2 AV. NAV and AVG. Never had a AV ping on any seti units yet.

Do not blame the software. Most of the time that virus's are missed? its losser error. oops user error!





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> NAV is the worst CRAP out of there!!!
> Dont use it, its totally useless!
> Better use a free AV.

I use AVG on my set-up. i used to use norton, both of them work well (provideing you keep them updated).
noton does, however lean on the CPU more than AVG. you also have to "subscribe" to get the lastest updates after one year. as AVG is free for personal computers and is updated constantly, my bank-account made the choise for me.
AVG is the best free AV S/W available (IMHO) norton has its good points but u have to re-subscribe or 'upgrade' every year or loose protection.
Anyway. AVG has never let me down, Neither has Norton. its just too pricey.





Never Knowingley Understood

> > NAV is the worst CRAP out of there!!!
> > Dont use it, its totally useless!
> > Better use a free AV.
>
> I use AVG on my set-up. i used to use norton, both of them work well
> (provideing you keep them updated).
> noton does, however lean on the CPU more than AVG. you also have to
> "subscribe" to get the lastest updates after one year. as AVG is free for
> personal computers and is updated constantly, my bank-account made the choise
> for me.
> AVG is the best free AV S/W available (IMHO) norton has its good points but u
> have to re-subscribe or 'upgrade' every year or loose protection.
> Anyway. AVG has never let me down, Neither has Norton. its just too pricey.
>
> Sorry to tell you but NAV is getting out of the AV buisness so enjoy while you can....
>
>
>
> Never Knowingley Understood
>