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He sure has my vote.

I dream of a time when war is only a word to be found in some dictionaries, but not in our daily vocabulary anymore...

BTW: Still there are some tribes in the jungles who have no word for "enemy" - foreigners are only "friends to be met"...

That's why we need museums to remember!
Good for San Diego bad for San Francisco! :)

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I dream of a time when war is only a word to be found in some dictionaries, but not in our daily vocabulary anymore...

BTW: Still there are some tribes in the jungles who have no word for "enemy" - foreigners are only "friends to be met"...

met? you mean ate

when you're impaled hog tied and being spit roasted they call you "Lunch" instead

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knightmare for Forum Admin
He sure has my vote.

I dream of a time when war is only a word to be found in some dictionaries, but not in our daily vocabulary anymore...

BTW: Still there are some tribes in the jungles who have no word for "enemy" - foreigners are only "friends to be met"...

met? you mean ate

when you're impaled hog tied and being spit roasted they call you "Lunch" instead

Good One Sammie! LOL

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Red Bull Air Racing

Gas price by zip at Seti

I dream of a time when war is only a word to be found in some dictionaries, but not in our daily vocabulary anymore...

BTW: Still there are some tribes in the jungles who have no word for "enemy" - foreigners are only "friends to be met"...

met? you mean ate

when you're impaled hog tied and being spit roasted they call you "Lunch" instead

Good One Sammie! LOL

smart girl i know what side my bread is buttered on, and thats going no place where they got bugs bigger than what i can squish with my shoe, and nowhere were they got things that wanna eat me, that includes being boiled in a pot for dinner, BBQ'd, spit roasted, or a snack for some croc, tiger, snake, spider, ants, bees, the list is long, thats why i only go to the EU and Scandinavia

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knightmare for Forum Admin
He sure has my vote.

S.F. loses Navy's warship ceremony

SAN FRANCISCO – The Navy has rejected plans to commission its newest and most powerful warship in San Francisco because of concerns that the city doesn't support the military.

Navy Secretary Donald Winter vetoed plans last week for a commissioning ceremony for the Makin Island in San Francisco, said retired Marine Corps Maj. Gen. J. Michael Myatt.

Instead, San Diego will host the ceremony.

Navy leaders were concerned about San Francisco's refusal to offer a home port for the retired battleship Iowa, which would be turned into a museum, as well as the school board's decision to abolish junior ROTC training at city high schools, Myatt said.

Associated Press

The government of San Francisco has shamed itself.

A new Secretary Of Defence has been confirmed in the States today: Robert M. Gates. Will he be wise enough to withdraw the troops from Iraq a.s.a.p.? Will be there any change in US military politics? I hope so. But otherwise - the President still is his superior, so there won't be this big change...

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A new Secretary Of Defence has been confirmed in the States today: Robert M. Gates. Will he be wise enough to withdraw the troops from Iraq a.s.a.p.? Will be there any change in US military politics? I hope so. But otherwise - the President still is his superior, so there won't be this big change...

Just like pulling troops out of Europe after WW2 would have been a bad idea, pulling troops out of the middle east would be a bad idea as well.

Of course, no one expects you to see it that way, it wasn't German citizens who died in the gas chamber and concentration camps in the 40's nor on 9/11 in New York City.

Simply put, in your lifetime, your country has never been the victim of an unprovoked attack (you can thank the occupying troops anytime you please), therefore you don't see the need for taking preventative measures to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

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Of course, no one expects you to see it that way, it wasn't German citizens who died in the gas chamber and concentration camps in the 40's ...

Wrong. Most of the Jews and "Jehovas Witnesses" and communists and homosexuals who died there have actually been citizens of Germany. During my school time I was visiting Buchenwald near Weimar, once one of the bigger concentration camps, and now a memorial place - and there were lists of people who died there between 1937 and 1945. So if you are interested, you may convince yourself should you ever visit Germany.

...nor on 9/11 in New York City.

There also have been half a dozen Germans (at least) killed on 9/11 according to the official list, as well as some Brits, Mexicans, Canadians, and Chinese.

Simply put, in your lifetime, your country has never been the victim of an unprovoked attack (you can thank the occupying troops anytime you please), therefore you don't see the need for taking preventative measures to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

Well, because I was born in 1968 in East Germany, during my lifetime, the only unprovoked attacks (if any - even the ones before have never been officially proven) came by the other German country (the "free" one) and were more things like provoking border patrols, egging workers to become more disaffected , smuggling people out of the country, sabotage and espionage - just the usual secret service stuff...
But - and this has been proven - there were plans made in the early 80's by the Bundeswehr using CIA data, to invade East Germany.

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"Most" of those murdered during the holocaust were not German and to imply that they were does nothing more than trivialize the extent of the crime, just like noting the whopping 6 German citizens out of the thousands that died in the 9/11 atrocity.

In other words, you can pretend like everything was ok and that you were equally harmed, those of us who live outside of your fantasy land know better.

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"Most" of those murdered during the holocaust were not German and to imply that they were does nothing more than trivialize the extent of the crime, just like noting the whopping 6 German citizens out of the thousands that died in the 9/11 atrocity.

In other words, you can pretend like everything was ok and that you were equally harmed, those of us who live outside of your fantasy land know better.

I don't trivialize. I just put the points right, according to the facts I have. You said no German citizens were killed in the concentration camps and gas chambers, I can prove the opposite. Though there were Jews and war prisoners killed who were from other - occupied - countries, that's all too true - but the majority of the people killed in Buchenwald (for example) were Jews and communists from inside the boundaries of Germany. I can't tell much about Auschwitz and Majdanek (both in nowaday's Poland) but as far as I know these camps were for those from the occupied areas. As far as I know, a German Jew is also a Jew, and when you have only the number of killed Jews in total, you can't tell where they came from. But in Buchenwald I saw the huge list, longer than this from 9/11 (No I'm not trivializing it!) and there was each killed person with name, and reason of imprisonment (be it Jew, communist, political reasons, Jehovas Witnesses, gay...), and their date and kind of death... A Genocide is a Genocide no matter where the victims do actually come from.
In my opinion, it's been (and is) a crime to invade and occupy the countries around, it's been (and is) a crime to harm and to kill civilists during a war, and it's been (and is) a crime to harm and to kill the "own" civilists only because of their belief or "race". There's no trivializing about that.

You implied no German were killed on 9/11 - there were some. It's true, the vast majority of the victims of 9/11 were US citizens, but not all. This doesn't trivialize anything, nor did I want to point it out like "me too, me too!" I only looked up on the list and saw that you weren't right. Nothing else.
I didn't know yet that you can't stand an objective critic. I never pointed we were equally harmed. Nor that everything was okay.
But as long as there are camps almost compareable to concentration camps (okay just without the medical tests and the gas chambers) where prisoners of war are held in confinement without a fair process before, the countries having such camps can't be called fair and democratic by me.

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I just put the points right, according to the facts I have

Yeah, the problem is you get your "facts" from openly biased sources (like Dan Rather and CBS)....and that's when they aren't outright lies (like Micheal Moore).

That's why you don't know the difference between a concentration camp where POW's are starved to death then buried in mass graves and American prisons where terrorists are sitting on their butt reading the Koran and gaining weight.

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I want you to stop here.
Your facts are what you think it is.
I have facts i better dont say here about my familie wich died there.
So dont talk about fact you couldn´t know about.

regards Mike

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With each crime and every kindness we birth our future.

I just put the points right, according to the facts I have

Yeah, the problem is you get your "facts" from openly biased sources (like Dan Rather and CBS)....and that's when they aren't outright lies (like Micheal Moore).

That's why you don't know the difference between a concentration camp where POW's are starved to death then buried in mass graves and American prisons where terrorists are sitting on their butt reading the Koran and gaining weight.

Putting aside that I didn't mention American prisons explicitely, (there are enough "free" countries using such camps) - the facts I have about WW2 and Buchenwald are not biased. They are from German History school books, and from what I saw myself at the memorial place Buchenwald when I've been there visiting this place. And the list of 9/11 victims is also not biased, it's just a list of all victims who were officially confirmed. If you had klicked on the links you could have admitted it.

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I just put the points right, according to the facts I have

Yeah, the problem is you get your "facts" from openly biased sources (like Dan Rather and CBS)....and that's when they aren't outright lies (like Micheal Moore).

That's why you don't know the difference between a concentration camp where POW's are starved to death then buried in mass graves and American prisons where terrorists are sitting on their butt reading the Koran and gaining weight.

Putting aside that I didn't mention American prisons explicitely, (there are enough "free" countries using such camps) - the facts I have about WW2 and Buchenwald are not biased. They are from German History school books, and from what I saw myself at the memorial place Buchenwald when I've been there visiting this place. And the list of 9/11 victims is also not biased, it's just a list of all victims who were officially confirmed. If you had klicked on the links you could have admitted it.

As to Auschwitz, Wikipedia remarks that Nazi Rudolf Höß said that between 2.5 and 3 million had been killed, while Adolf Eichmann gave a figure of 2 million. Most authorities seem to agree that between 1.1 and 1.4 million people identified as Jews were killed, with 140,000-150,000 Polish victims, along with 23,000 Roma & Sinti (Gypsies). Apparently, thousands of homosexuals were also killed at Auschwitz, but those deaths were not recorded.

I just put the points right, according to the facts I have

Yeah, the problem is you get your "facts" from openly biased sources (like Dan Rather and CBS)....and that's when they aren't outright lies (like Micheal Moore).

That's why you don't know the difference between a concentration camp where POW's are starved to death then buried in mass graves and American prisons where terrorists are sitting on their butt reading the Koran and gaining weight.

Putting aside that I didn't mention American prisons explicitely, (there are enough "free" countries using such camps) - the facts I have about WW2 and Buchenwald are not biased. They are from German History school books, and from what I saw myself at the memorial place Buchenwald when I've been there visiting this place. And the list of 9/11 victims is also not biased, it's just a list of all victims who were officially confirmed. If you had klicked on the links you could have admitted it.

As to Auschwitz, Wikipedia remarks that Nazi Rudolf Höß said that between 2.5 and 3 million had been killed, while Adolf Eichmann gave a figure of 2 million. Most authorities seem to agree that between 1.1 and 1.4 million people identified as Jews were killed, with 140,000-150,000 Polish victims, along with 23,000 Roma & Sinti (Gypsies). Apparently, thousands of homosexuals were also killed at Auschwitz, but those deaths were not recorded.

Unfortunately, all of these data, and even the knowledge of concentration camps came out after April 1945 when the Allies were rolling over Germany. Before that there only were suspicions, conspiration theories if you want, and only told about secretly among the lefties.
During WW2 there was a sub-camp of Buchenwald in my home-town, and the prisoners wre working in the local munition plant. Every-one of the citizens believed until the arrival of the Allies that Buchenwald simply was a prison for POWs... They only thought the Gestapo and SS were there just to prevent espionage or sabotage. Later they had to learn that they also prevented the prisoners to tell the truth about the parent camp.

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And before the same comment comes a third time after being deleted twice: my own grand-parents hid other communists and Jews from the Gestapo folks. And they bribed some of the guards to be able to share their food with those POWs during the breaks. So my ancestors can't be blamed for that.

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And before the same comment comes a third time after being deleted twice: my own grand-parents hid other communists and Jews from the Gestapo folks. And they bribed some of the guards to be able to share their food with those POWs during the breaks. So my ancestors can't be blamed for that.

The "problem" isn't whether or not your ancestors played a role in the holocaust, the problem is that you don't see a difference between Hitler and Bush or American prisons and concentration camps.

You were at a concentration camp and your spreading propaganda just like those who came before you, and that's wrong regardless of what political spin you try to place on it.

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