U.N. votes to impede Iran nuclear programs

Wow, that's good news. The UN is gonna solve another problem. Come on ! They are worthless !

May be it's a silly question: But why is it worthless to try it in peace first? I think everything is better than just let the troops march in everywhere.

"... and on earth peace, good will toward men." Luke 2:14

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U.N. votes to impede Iran nuclear programs

Wow, that's good news. The UN is gonna solve another problem. Come on ! They are worthless !

May be it's a silly question: But why is it worthless to try it in peace first? I think everything is better than just let the troops march in everywhere.

"... and on earth peace, good will toward men." Luke 2:14

Because some of us remember the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979 and believe the victims of that atrocity when they say Ahmadinejad was one of their captors (after all, they spent more than a year held prisoner by the man)....not to mention that whole wiping Isreal off the map comment.

You propose peace while they continue work on the most destructive weapon the world has ever seen...

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U.N. votes to impede Iran nuclear programs

Wow, that's good news. The UN is gonna solve another problem. Come on ! They are worthless !

May be it's a silly question: But why is it worthless to try it in peace first? I think everything is better than just let the troops march in everywhere.

"... and on earth peace, good will toward men." Luke 2:14

I agree with your troop march view but the U.N.'s delays, wrist slaps and finger waving is mere posturing when the card carrying members there (and I'll include the U.S. in this to be as impartial as I can) are mostly concerned for their own (financial, usually it seems) interests.
For examples; quoted from the article:

1) "But Russia, a close commercial partner of Iran's, stripped the resolution of some of its toughest measures, including a travel ban on officials linked to the nuclear programs."

2) "Moscow's U.N. envoy, Vitaly Churkin, argued that sanctions should be narrowly targeted at Iran's prohibited activities while allowing development of its nuclear energy industry, including an $800 million Russian nuclear power plant in Bushehr, Iran."

So to me the U.N. is pretty much a joke.

But... Haven't they already been to iran to control whether or not they have nuclear stuff?

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U.N. votes to impede Iran nuclear programs

Wow, that's good news. The UN is gonna solve another problem. Come on ! They are worthless !

I totally agree with you on this issue.

Wow, somebody finally agreed with me. Damn, now they will close the site.

:) I may not see eye to eye on everything with everyone but...

But we are the only guinusess here, all should worship and follow our insight's. And send money !~

I would be more likely to worship your " genius " if you actually knew how to spell genius.....lmao

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Just wondering, how much of the news we hear is factual. I mean the major news organization's are owned by corporations out to make a profit, bad news equals cash. We have the defense industry that is giddy as a school girl these days with all the fear that is being sold on the population. Spending Billions on an illegal war against a noun. It almost feeds on itself now. I think people should start looking at different places for thier news and stop watching the corporate news. Once you do, maybe the world wouldn't look so scary, but just a bit more managable.

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Just wondering, how much of the news we hear is factual. I mean the major news organization's are owned by corporations out to make a profit, bad news equals cash. We have the defense industry that is giddy as a school girl these days with all the fear that is being sold on the population. Spending Billions on an illegal war against a noun. It almost feeds on itself now. I think people should start looking at different places for thier news and stop watching the corporate news. Once you do, maybe the world wouldn't look so scary, but just a bit more managable.

That's a pretty good question - but wouldn't it fit better into the "conspiracies" - thread?

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Not really, just depends on your perspective.

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Mrs. Miggins: The Scarlet Pimpernel, Mr. Blackadder! He's so exciting, don't you think?
Blackadder: Actually, I think he's the most over-rated human being since Judas Iscariot won the AD31 Best Disciple Competition.

Well, I am informing myself looking at different places, and different media - and since I started to do so, the world has scared me even more...

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More than what you see on CNN, Fox, ect?

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Blackadder: Actually, I think he's the most over-rated human being since Judas Iscariot won the AD31 Best Disciple Competition.

More than what you see on CNN, Fox, ect?

Yes. Especially since I not only read a rather republican, a rather democratic, and a rather neutral American newspaper, but also use sources which are accused to be extremly left-wing, though they are similar to our German moderate Social-Democratics...

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I lived in Germany just 2 years ago, wonderful place, people are very anti-war. I thought my several years in Germany were by far my most peacefull. My wife and I still think of Germany as our second home. Awesome place!
I guess what I was referring to below is that there are things that are not in our control. I search the net for news that effect me and my surroundings, weed out the bull by doing a little research, and then come to some conclusions. Donn't get me wrong, thw world is pretty screwed up, I just don't have time for the fear mongering that is pervasive in our society over hear. They control the tone of what to like and or dislike over here. I mean, for example Jimmy Carters new book. Jimmy Cater is not jew basher. He just wants to get some discusion going on a proplem that has been going on for 50 years now. Each side has a valid point to make on why they are right, but that won't get past all the crap to actually do something. As for Iran, whats wrong with trying to come to the table and talk as opposed to the failed foriegn policy of the GW administartion. At least one should know where your enemy stands publicly before you start sounding the war drums. This "with us or against us" mentality is the reason why the US needs to wake up and throw this hate monger out of office before he gets more innocent people killed.
Just a personal opinion that I am sure is not shared by a few of you out there.

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Mrs. Miggins: The Scarlet Pimpernel, Mr. Blackadder! He's so exciting, don't you think?
Blackadder: Actually, I think he's the most over-rated human being since Judas Iscariot won the AD31 Best Disciple Competition.

As for Iran, whats wrong with trying to come to the table and talk as opposed to the failed foriegn policy of the GW administartion. At least one should know where your enemy stands publicly before you start sounding the war drums.

Diplomacy has been tried numerous times over the years and it failed then just like it's failing now. Their terrorist leader isn't going to give up his nuclear program and we already know he's trying to acquire materials that aren't needed for nuclear power, but ARE needed for nuclear warfare.

Simply put, when you negotiate with terrorists, your family gets murdered and it was a true in 1939 as it is today....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-w77sLtz754

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:) I may not see eye to eye on everything with everyone but...
But we are the only guinusess here, all should worship and follow our insight's. And send money !~

I would be more likely to worship your " genius " if you actually knew how to spell genius.....lmao

This may be one of those things you just know when you see, not how to define or spell.

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:) I may not see eye to eye on everything with everyone but...
But we are the only guinusess here, all should worship and follow our insight's. And send money !~

I would be more likely to worship your " genius " if you actually knew how to spell genius.....lmao

This may be one of those things you just know when you see, not how to define or spell.

I thought he was drinking a Guinness.

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As for Iran, whats wrong with trying to come to the table and talk as opposed to the failed foriegn policy of the GW administartion. At least one should know where your enemy stands publicly before you start sounding the war drums.

Diplomacy has been tried numerous times over the years and it failed then just like it's failing now. Their terrorist leader isn't going to give up his nuclear program and we already know he's trying to acquire materials that aren't needed for nuclear power, but ARE needed for nuclear warfare.

Simply put, when you negotiate with terrorists, your family gets murdered and it was a true in 1939 as it is today....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-w77sLtz754

... but in 1939, the terrorists were the government - especially in Germany. With Iran, its only told to be. And only because the official media say that the CIA told them the material were not for power plants but for weapons, doesn't mean that this is true. Haven't they shortly admitted to have lied, even to the President?

On the other side, in Martial Art, I learned: before you go into a fight you should know where you lose more: fighting, or talking... and the best fight is always that one which doesn't happen.

Btw: up to today, more US soldiers have died only in Iraq, than civilists have died in 9/11. But such things seldomly are told in official media: they are bad for warfare business, and could prevent young people to become soldiers...

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... but in 1939, the terrorists were the government - especially in Germany. With Iran, its only told to be. And only because the official media say that the CIA told them the material were not for power plants but for weapons, doesn't mean that this is true. Haven't they shortly admitted to have lied, even to the President?

On the other side, in Martial Art, I learned: before you go into a fight you should know where you lose more: fighting, or talking... and the best fight is always that one which doesn't happen.

Btw: up to today, more US soldiers have died only in Iraq, than civilists have died in 9/11. But such things seldomly are told in official media: they are bad for warfare business, and could prevent young people to become soldiers...

Your first lie. According to the 1979 hostages, Ahmadinejad was involved with the embassy takeover, and he is now their leader. Of course I'm sure it's easier for you to believe 52 hostages held against there will would forget what their captors looked like than to believe they are telling the truth.

Your second lie. As of December 25 there is still a 5 death difference between 9/11 and the beginning of the war. Of course, you left-wing propaganda machines like to omit the fact that every single American soldier VOLUNTEERED for service, while not 1 civilian killed on 9/11 expected to be involved in a war.

Still wonder why most Americans don't care what foreigners think?

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Your first lie. ...

Your second lie. ...

Still wonder why most Americans don't care what foreigners think?

Not lies - may be errors.

But I made the experience that in 80% of all cases the official media were bending informations to fit in the opinions of the government or the parties they support. Okay may be I should try more to find out the unbent 20% but this is sometimes difficult. When 10 sources which are "official media" tell you it was like "fact 1a", and an eleventh source which is independent tells it was like "fact 1b" which is slightly otherwise, what would you believe? How to find out the truth? Then I search for another independent source, and if source #12 tells me the same like source #11, I rather take these two as true, and not the other ten sources closer to the view of the government.

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Not lies - may be mistakes.
But I made the experience that in 80% of all cases the official media were bending informations to fit in the opinions of the government or the parties they support. Okay may be I should try more to find out the unbent 20% but this is sometimes difficult. When 10 sources which are "official media" tell you it was like "this", and an eleventh source which is independent tells it was (slightly) otherwise, what would you believe? How to find out the truth? Then I search for another independent source, and if source #12 tells me the same like source #11, I rather take these two as true, and not the other ten sources closer to the view of the government.

How about you just stop being critical of our actions when you KNOW there is at least a 20% chance that you are 100% wrong?

Try asking someone that actually lives here instead of spreading lies and propaganda....is that asking to much?

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