Sounds like a 3 pointer at the buzzer.

Hm? :)

No basketball in your country?

A few realities about immigration

RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR.
THE UNION-TRIBUNE

April 5, 2006

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Look Dogbytes! This is what I was trying to tell you the other day!

Do my eyes deceive me? Is that Es99 posting in the political thread?

Yes..I took the risk..I'm sure I'll regret it later when all the right wing facist capitalist pigs come out to play. ;-)

DB..to jog your memory..it was one of those conversations we had you phoned me up and we ended up yelling at each other about politics...ok..that doesn't narrow it down much...

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We've already had this discussion too...I think it was one of those rare times we agreed on something ;-)

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Sounds like a 3 pointer at the buzzer.

Hm? :)

No basketball in your country?

Is it basketball talk? I have heard of it, but try to avoid watching it as best as I can.

Wow, we almost got a debate going...

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Wow, we almost got a debate going...

Nah, besides I have the feeling it's open season on Es tonite. I'll come back when they've found someone else to pick a fight with. :-)

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A few realities about immigration

RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR.
THE UNION-TRIBUNE

April 5, 2006

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Look Dogbytes! This is what I was trying to tell you the other day!

Do my eyes deceive me? Is that Es99 posting in the political thread?

Yes..I took the risk..I'm sure I'll regret it later when all the right wing facist capitalist pigs come out to play. ;-)

DB..to jog your memory..it was one of those conversations we had you phoned me up and we ended up yelling at each other about politics...ok..that doesn't narrow it down much...

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interesting CNN video. She says that she should have been recoginized because she's one of the few black female members of congress. To tell the cops to look at someone race and sex *IS* profiling! The person who bitches about profiling infacts demands it herself. I typically find that the person who first screams racism, as an excuse for wrong they did, is the racist.

Wow, we almost got a debate going...

Nah, besides I have the feeling it's open season on Es tonite. I'll come back when they've found someone else to pick a fight with. :-)

Someone says something you don't like so you run away? Stand your ground! Read back to the original Political thread and see what I, and others, have had to endure.

Com'on peeps play nice, all of you...would everyone stop the necormancing.

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Com'on peeps play nice, all of you...would everyone stop the necormancing.

A Political Originale

Com'on peeps play nice, all of you...would everyone stop the necormancing.

A Political Originale

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Someone says something you don't like so you run away? Stand your ground! Read back to the original Political thread and see what I, and others, have had to endure.

I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

As to racism, I live in what is a predominantly black area and I teach in a school where the pupils are 95% black. I deal with racism everyday and the consequences of it and I have often been on the receiving end of it.

It is part of my training to recognise it and deal with it. From both sides. I am well aware that there are those from the ethnic minorities that cry racism to get their own way, but I am also aware that discrimination against ethnic minorities is very real.

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Someone says something you don't like so you run away? Stand your ground! Read back to the original Political thread and see what I, and others, have had to endure.

I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

In the beginning 70% of the views here could fit into that catagory.

I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

In the beginning 70% of the views here could fit into that catagory.

Alright, I confess. I'm not a little left wing. I'm a loony leftie extreme far left of Marx raving anarchist off the scale leftie. People get really angry when I talk politics with them. Especially Americans for some reason.

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Someone says something you don't like so you run away? Stand your ground! Read back to the original Political thread and see what I, and others, have had to endure.

I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

In the beginning 70% of the views here could fit into that catagory.

But now "a little left" has a new meaning...

I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

In the beginning 70% of the views here could fit into that catagory.

Alright, I confess. I'm not a little left wing. I'm a loony leftie extreme far left of Marx raving anarchist off the scale leftie. People get really angry when I talk politics with them. Especially Americans for some reason.

So you're really from France? :p

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I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

In the beginning 70% of the views here could fit into that catagory.

Alright, I confess. I'm not a little left wing. I'm a loony leftie extreme far left of Marx raving anarchist off the scale leftie. People get really angry when I talk politics with them. Especially Americans for some reason.

So you're really from France? :p

...then why don't we celebrate with some Freedom Fries!

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I have posted here before...I've stood my ground here before. It's just that my views are what one might call a 'little' left wing and I know I'm in a minority here.

In the beginning 70% of the views here could fit into that catagory.

Alright, I confess. I'm not a little left wing. I'm a loony leftie extreme far left of Marx raving anarchist off the scale leftie. People get really angry when I talk politics with them. Especially Americans for some reason.

So you're really from France? :p

...then why don't we celebrate with some Freedom Fries!

I just bought some Ore-Ida!

A few realities about immigration

RUBEN NAVARRETTE JR.
THE UNION-TRIBUNE

April 5, 2006
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There are four different issues that get confused because the press lumps them into the same term "immigration." Congress has gone along with the same terms. Since the solutions for one are only marginal or even harmful for the other three, little progress is being made. Any of these types can be performed legally or illegally.

The first type of immigration is what the United States has always encouraged: the "poor huddled masses" pulling up stakes in the old country, planting new roots somewhere in the US and assimilating into the "American culture." It is often the children of the immigrants who are "fully Americanized." The arrival of these types of immigrants is always greeted with fear: they will wreck the fabric of our community! They'll steal all of our jobs! This class of immigrant makes up for the US's low birth rate, and they are extremely helpful to the nation.

The second type of immigration is Plan B for most who wanted the first type. They pick up everything and move to America, but never really blend into the surrounding culture. They end up living in an immigrant enclave such as Little Italty or Chinatown. Such immigrants can remain for generations without learning English or otherwise assimilating. However, the enclave itself generally forms an interface that allows it to be useful to the surrounding community. The application of US law gets a bit fuzzy inside the enclave, but this only harms "them" and not the surroundings. Although it would be "better for the nation" if these immigrants assimilated more fully, they are still a positive contribution.

The third type of immigration is temporary. The person does not sever ties with the homeland, but rather sees his/her presence in the US as a "business trip." Such a person intends to return home one day. This person does not see himself/herself as an American, and has no vested interest in the community. This could be a Japanese businessman working at an American office, or a Central American day-laborer who returns home for the winter, or myriad other possibilities. These people are a security risk and need to be watched, but overall they help the economy by adding to its flexibility.

The fourth type of immigration is not immigration at all. The borderland between two culturally distinct nations is influenced by both and not purely either. Political borders move, but the communities do not. When the US conquered the present-day "Southwest" from Mexico, it did not kill off all of the ethnic Mexicans there. A large number of people there feel no real attachment to the US nor Mexico... legalities aside they see no problem sliding back and forth over the border as economic conditions merit. Currently, economic conditions are better in the US, but if the US suffered a severe depression that Mexico somehow did not, this segment of the population would simply get jobs in Mexico. This group is a huge security risk because they have a vested interest in preventing the US and Mexico from asserting any real authority in the borderland. An inability to exercise authority leaves the borderland open to drug smugglers, terrorists trying to enter the country, etc. If hostilities were ever to flare up between the US and Mexico (again), the borderland would become "occupied territory" overnight.

These types of immigration affect all nations, but are the most pronounced in nations that have culturally distinct or politically unstable neighbors. France and Germany have these problems, the US and Canada generally do not.

A solution aimed at one sort of immigration will usually harm the others unless it can differentiate between them. An example of the wrong idea was the proposed reform in 1993: it aimed to curb the fourth type of immigration by setting limits on how many people could enter the nation in the first two methods and making insignificant increases in the border patrol. It is not fair to target Mexicans, or even anyone crossing the US-Mexico border... a Mexican settling in a Hispanic enclave in South Carolina is not the same thing as a migrant working a farm in Texas. If the former flies the Mexican flag, he is expressing connection with his heritage; if the latter flies the Mexican flag, he is expressing national identity.

If the US wants to get a handle on its perceived immigration problems, it needs to address these issues in ways that make sense for each. Ruthless enforcement of "interior" laws in the borderland won't work because the large parts of the local populace feels more connection to the illegal aliens than the border agents. The long-term solution may indeed be more cultural in nature (no Spanish whatsoever in school, etc.). It may require mass deportations. It will almost certainly require getting rid of birthright citizenship.

I don't live in that area, so I won't pretend to be able to rattle off differentiators between the four kinds of immigrants coming from Mexico.

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The person does not sever ties with the homeland, but rather sees his/her presence in the US as a "business trip."

We actually have 4 types of this here:

1. Those who legally immigrated during the 70's and early 80's to work here.

2. Those who wish they emigrated here in the 70's but didn't, and instead immigrates now, claiming asylum because they're prosecuted in their homeland.

3. Those who don't want to work in their homeland, so they come here to live on welfare. They use all kinds of excuses to stay.

4. Those who have heard of the first three groups and want to do the same. What differ them from the others, is that they don't have a plan for excuses and are sent home after a short while.