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Message 298635 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 13:41:34 UTC - in response to Message 298342.  

Okay, so when you recall the bonds, what are you going to pay the principle with?? GOLD or 'cash' (what the hell, just print some more!).

Perhaps a reduction in the 420 Billion dollar military budget would help??

That and gutting the even larger direct entitlements budget.

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Message 298715 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 15:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 298340.  
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And yet another conservative imitator...

What we have learned over the last five years is that Republican porkers feeding at the public trough are perfectly capable of being even worse than Democratic porkers feeding at the public trough.
We are at the point where real conservatives must choose whether they are more concerned about the actual objective of "Limited Government" as opposed to mindless loyalty to a party that no longer stands for anything.
Republican vs. Democrat is a false choice.
Divided vs. Undivided Government is the real choice.

I have long been interested in why the names Countries give themselves are invariably at odds with the actual status quo:
United (as in 'Kingdom' and 'States') are anything but "United"
Democratic and Republic ( as in Congo) is anything but Democratic or Republican
Peoples Democratic Republic (as in N. Korea and Lao) are even further off the mark ...
etc etc ...
In fact, I cannot think of one country (which appends one or more adjectives to its Name) which is a fair description of that Country ... with the exception of "The Islamic Republic (as in Iran and Pakistan etc).
(And why the US wishes to make Iraq a democracy still baffles the cr*p out of me, especially in that it [US] has singularly failed to practice "Democracy" at home.)
That's my two-pennorth ...
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Message 298726 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 15:35:43 UTC - in response to Message 298715.  

(And why the US wishes to make Iraq a democracy still baffles the cr*p out of me, especially in that it [US] has singularly failed to practice "Democracy" at home.)

Which, of course, it has never tried to do, ever. Should it ever, I would be the first one out the door.

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Message 298823 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 17:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 298726.  

Which, of course, it has never tried to do, ever. Should it ever, I would be the first one out the door.

I find that reply somewhat quaint ... since it was the stated intent of GWB in the early days of the War (along with removal of WMD).
[thinks] Do people not read and assimilate the news any more? Ah! well! ... maybe the news ought to be disseminated in shorter sound-bytes so as to cater for people's decreasing attention span[/thinks]
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Message 298830 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 17:20:25 UTC - in response to Message 298823.  

Which, of course, it has never tried to do, ever. Should it ever, I would be the first one out the door.

I find that reply somewhat quaint ... since it was the stated intent of GWB in the early days of the War (along with removal of WMD).
[thinks] Do people not read and assimilate the news any more? Ah! well! ... maybe the news ought to be disseminated in shorter sound-bytes so as to cater for people's decreasing attention span[/thinks]

There is a difference between political rhetoric and reality. The U.S. has never been a pure "democracy" nor was it ever set up to be. Neither has it tried to do that to Iraq, either.
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Message 298876 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 18:07:16 UTC - in response to Message 298830.  
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There is a difference between political rhetoric and reality. The U.S. has never been a pure "democracy" nor was it ever set up to be. Neither has it tried to do that to Iraq, either.

The truth usually comes out (20 years after it doesn't matter any more).

How does someone distinguish between political rhetoric and what politicians mean, it certainly seems as if the word rhetoric is another term for lie.


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Message 298915 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 18:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 298830.  

There is a difference between political rhetoric and reality. The U.S. has never been a pure "democracy" nor was it ever set up to be. Neither has it tried to do that to Iraq, either.

I shall treat that with the complete and utter contempt it deserves. It is obvious that you not only hide behind an alter-ego, you are an ostrich who hides behind an alter ego.
If you wish to show any scholarship at all, then wake up and smell the roses ... that is the ones which have been left undamaged by your Commander in Chief. (They are few and far between ... and it will entail a great deal of application on your behalf to remember what a rose actually smells like.)
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Message 298920 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 18:57:36 UTC - in response to Message 298915.  

There is a difference between political rhetoric and reality. The U.S. has never been a pure "democracy" nor was it ever set up to be. Neither has it tried to do that to Iraq, either.

I shall treat that with the complete and utter contempt it deserves. It is obvious that you not only hide behind an alter-ego, you are an ostrich who hides behind an alter ego.
If you wish to show any scholarship at all, then wake up and smell the roses ... that is the ones which have been left undamaged by your Commander in Chief. (They are few and far between ... and it will entail a great deal of application on your behalf to remember what a rose actually smells like.)

What the hell are you even talking about? There is no alter ego here, my wife knows me as Rush, my friends all call me Rush, it isn't some internet handle. It's a nickname I've used continuously since 1991.

Suprisingly enough, Dubya probably knows that the U.S. has always been a constitutionally-limited representative republic, not a democracy. Like him or hate him, he also knows that "constitutionally-limited representative republic" doesn't sound-bite well, plenty of people won't understand it, and that those same people will buy into rah rah rhetoric concerning "democracy."

"We're exporting constitutionally-limited representative republics to the Middle East," hasn't got a ring to it.
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Message 298940 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 19:15:06 UTC - in response to Message 298715.  
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And yet another conservative imitator...

What we have learned over the last five years is that Republican porkers feeding at the public trough are perfectly capable of being even worse than Democratic porkers feeding at the public trough.
We are at the point where real conservatives must choose whether they are more concerned about the actual objective of "Limited Government" as opposed to mindless loyalty to a party that no longer stands for anything.
Republican vs. Democrat is a false choice.
Divided vs. Undivided Government is the real choice.

"I have long been interested in why the names Countries give themselves are invariably at odds with the actual status quo:
United (as in 'Kingdom' and 'States') are anything but "United" ..."- bod


Not sure about the historical derivation of "United Kingdom" but the "United States" is actually a quite appropriate name, as long as one understands the emphasis in the early days of our history was more on the word "States" than it was on "United", with "States" being used in the same meaning as the word "countries". For that is what we were when we cut the apron-strings with England, a confederation of 13 "United Countries", ultimately bound federally for "mutual defense" and to establish baseline rules for individual freedoms within the confederation (codifying an individual's Bill of Rights that superceded the State's law). The anachronism of the Electoral College is a direct consequence, as the President was not really the leader of a United Country, but an Executive in charge of administering a Confederation of semi-independent states, and elected by those States, and not by the population of the confederation as a whole. Of course it has been a non-stop process of increasing Federal Government accretion of power since the founding, so that the States today are independent countries in name only.

This may be what Rush means about the US not being a pure Democracy. Indeed this is certainly true as regards the Presidency. We elect representatives of our States, they then theoretically decide who the Federal Executive will be. Of course, as a practical reality, the electoral college is mandated to vote proportionally to the state popular vote, so it is effectively a Democratic process. - s

RB - will check out those links later - busy day.


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Message 298991 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 20:21:03 UTC - in response to Message 298664.  

Repeat! Breen is of the SD UT. :P

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Message 299008 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 20:44:34 UTC


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Message 299009 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 20:45:18 UTC - in response to Message 298920.  
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There is a difference between political rhetoric and reality. The U.S. has never been a pure "democracy" nor was it ever set up to be. Neither has it tried to do that to Iraq, either.

I shall treat that with the complete and utter contempt it deserves. It is obvious that you not only hide behind an alter-ego, you are an ostrich who hides behind an alter ego.
If you wish to show any scholarship at all, then wake up and smell the roses ... that is the ones which have been left undamaged by your Commander in Chief. (They are few and far between ... and it will entail a great deal of application on your behalf to remember what a rose actually smells like.)

What the hell are you even talking about? There is no alter ego here, my wife knows me as Rush, my friends all call me Rush, it isn't some internet handle. It's a nickname I've used continuously since 1991.

Suprisingly enough, Dubya probably knows that the U.S. has always been a constitutionally-limited representative republic, not a democracy. Like him or hate him, he also knows that "constitutionally-limited representative republic" doesn't sound-bite well, plenty of people won't understand it, and that those same people will buy into rah rah rhetoric concerning "democracy."

"We're exporting constitutionally-limited representative republics to the Middle East," hasn't got a ring to it.

This is quite amazing ... and it confirms the stereotype ...
The minute someone questions your "American Way" ... the FIRST response is to clap your collective hands over your genitals and call "RAPE" ...
What you see in my avatar is me ... I have NO need to hide behind Darth Vader masks or silly little cartoons. What you see is the man addressing you.
I have NO doubt that I pre-date most of you.
In Australia I am/was a Liberal (Little Johnnie was my hero)
In England (For as a member of the Commonwealth, I am allowed to vote here), I was a Conservative.
In America, by grace of being a resident of Dallas and having an apartment for many years in Turtle Creek, I was a Republican. (
I was, therefore a Right Wing adherent.
George W Bush has achieved in me, what NO OTHER man could ever have done ...
In American Politics, GWB has made me a Democrat. I will not dwell on the multitudinous reasons how or why ... save to say I will echo Christopher Wren's words written around the rotunda of St Paul's Cathedral in London ...
"If you seek his monument, look around you"
I say the same thing about GWB ...
The World is a much less safe place now for his coming.
I say no less for Blair in the UK and Howard in my homeland. I am ashamed that these three people could have devalued the currency of Statesmanship and Diplomacy to the depths they have reached today.
And, remember, whomever it was who took issue with me on this point some days ago, and told me to get "my" house in order (meaning Blair, when he should have said Howard), this WHOLE sorry debacle was from the outset led, directed and promulgated by the President of the United States of America. So to that unnamed poster here I would say ... first of all, get YOUR house in order ... and the 'sheep' in this (Blair and Howard) ... will follow ...
Happily ...
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Message 299041 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 21:12:50 UTC - in response to Message 299009.  
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This is quite amazing ... and it confirms the stereotype ...
The minute someone questions your "American Way" ... the FIRST response is to clap your collective hands over your genitals and call "RAPE" ...
Then you obviously haven't read many of my posts here. I would shut down 90+% of the American gov't, across the board. Whatever you are referring to as the "American Way" is not something I adhere to and avoid like the plague.

What you see in my avatar is me ... I have NO need to hide behind Darth Vader masks or silly little cartoons. What you see is the man addressing you.

I do not see a man addressing me, I see the same as you see, an icon posted on a web page that has no bearing whatsoever on the discussion at hand. While of course you are free to assume that I "hide" behind that silly mask, that is simply untrue. It's just a pic--something that I do not have of myself.

I have NO doubt that I pre-date most of you.
In Australia I am/was a Liberal (Little Johnnie was my hero)
In England (For as a member of the Commonwealth, I am allowed to vote here), I was a Conservative.
In America, by grace of being a resident of Dallas and having an apartment for many years in Turtle Creek, I was a Republican. (
I was, therefore a Right Wing adherent.
George W Bush has achieved in me, what NO OTHER man could ever have done ...
In American Politics, GWB has made me a Democrat. >snip<
And, remember, whomever it was who took issue with me on this point some days ago, and told me to get "my" house in order (meaning Blair, when he should have said Howard), this WHOLE sorry debacle was from the outset led, directed and promulgated by the President of the United States of America. So to that unnamed poster here I would say ... first of all, get YOUR house in order ... and the 'sheep' in this (Blair and Howard) ... will follow ...

Bodley, they're just politicans. And people beg them to meddle. Someimes that means you get healthcare, sometimes that means you get war. It's all just gov't force. Of course, none of this really has anything to do with the original idea that you posted that the U.S. was a democracy and was trying to instill one in Iraq.
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Message 299050 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 21:21:22 UTC - in response to Message 299041.  

This is quite amazing ... and it confirms the stereotype ...
The minute someone questions your "American Way" ... the FIRST response is to clap your collective hands over your genitals and call "RAPE" ...
Then you obviously haven't read many of my posts here. I would shut down 90+% of the American gov't, across the board. Whatever you are referring to as the "American Way" is not something I adhere to and avoid like the plague.

What you see in my avatar is me ... I have NO need to hide behind Darth Vader masks or silly little cartoons. What you see is the man addressing you.

I do not see a man addressing me, I see the same as you see, an icon posted on a web page that has no bearing whatsoever on the discussion at hand. While of course you are free to assume that I "hide" behind that silly mask, that is simply untrue. It's just a pic--something that I do not have of myself.

I have NO doubt that I pre-date most of you.
In Australia I am/was a Liberal (Little Johnnie was my hero)
In England (For as a member of the Commonwealth, I am allowed to vote here), I was a Conservative.
In America, by grace of being a resident of Dallas and having an apartment for many years in Turtle Creek, I was a Republican. (
I was, therefore a Right Wing adherent.
George W Bush has achieved in me, what NO OTHER man could ever have done ...
In American Politics, GWB has made me a Democrat. >snip<
And, remember, whomever it was who took issue with me on this point some days ago, and told me to get "my" house in order (meaning Blair, when he should have said Howard), this WHOLE sorry debacle was from the outset led, directed and promulgated by the President of the United States of America. So to that unnamed poster here I would say ... first of all, get YOUR house in order ... and the 'sheep' in this (Blair and Howard) ... will follow ...

Bodly, they're just politicans. And people beg them to meddle. Someimes that means you get healthcare, sometimes that means you get war. It's all just gov't force. Of course, none of this really has anything to do with the original idea that you posted that the U.S. was a democracy and was trying to instill one in Iraq.

There are none so blind as those who will not see,
There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

(In this day and age it is unbelievable that a man can say " It's just a pic--something that I do not have of myself." ... for if that is true ... whatever I said of you hiding behind a mask is true ... and by that fact , a person on whom I shall not waste another breath ...)
Goodbye, Plonker ...
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Message 299057 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 21:27:51 UTC - in response to Message 299050.  

There are none so blind as those who will not see,
There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.

(In this day and age it is unbelievable that a man can say " It's just a pic--something that I do not have of myself." ... for if that is true ... whatever I said of you hiding behind a mask is true ... and by that fact , a person on whom I shall not waste another breath ...)
Goodbye, Plonker ...

C'est la vie. Though of course, to be consistent, you should really not waste another breath on 99% of the people here. NEWSFLASH to Bodley: Misfit isn't really
Milla Jovovich! Skeptic isn't Keir Dullea! Es99 isn't a cartoon cat!

Though your position, whatever it was, would have been better served if you had actually presented an argument for it.

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Message 299064 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 21:31:14 UTC - in response to Message 299057.  

C'est la vie. Though of course, to be consistent, you should really not waste another breath on 99% of the people here. NEWSFLASH to Bodley: Misfit isn't really
Milla Jovovich! Skeptic isn't Keir Dullea! Es99 isn't a cartoon cat!

Though your position, whatever it was, would have been better served if you had actually presented an argument for it.

I'm not? That explains so much!!
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Message 299067 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 21:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 299064.  

I'm not? That explains so much!!

I explained this: bartenders don't allow cartoon cats to order beer at the pub... Remember?

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Message 299080 - Posted: 7 May 2006, 21:39:47 UTC - in response to Message 299064.  
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C'est la vie. Though of course, to be consistent, you should really not waste another breath on 99% of the people here. NEWSFLASH to Bodley: Misfit isn't really Milla Jovovich! Skeptic isn't Keir Dullea! Es99 isn't a cartoon cat!

I'm not? That explains so much!!

DB isn't a dog? CW isn't a wolf? CR isn't a squirrel? Tom isn't a dragon? Dan and Gas Giant aren't planets? CA isn't a (insert avatar character here)? I guess this summer I won't be Grace Park either. Oh what's the world coming to?!
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