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Looks like it, doesn't it.

Refer to my "THINK" thread.
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So this thread is about religions. Well here is my thoughts on religions, but before i do i just want to say HI ALL, This is my first post. Hope to have many more. I just want to say that I do believe that there is a GOD, and that there is life after death. The universe is way too complex to be an accident. and what are we at the most basic elemental level. We are walking columns of energy. Energy does not die, it transforms and continues on, always changing.
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Most accidents I see, are VERY complex, and the real bloody ones even more so, with car parts, body parts, gas, blood strung all over the place!

And - you ask, what are we at the most basic elemental level ? We are carbon, atoms, water and dust. But mostly self destructive.

BTW.. My god tells me that your god is dumb! :)

Thought for the day.. Only a fool would believe in the wrong god.

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Moses was smart, he invested...

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And - you ask, what are we at the most basic elemental level ? We are carbon, atoms, water and dust. But mostly self destructive.

Particles actually, you know neutrinos etc. As of now we know of 12 particles that all matter is made of, doesn't sound all that complex now does it?

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And - you ask, what are we at the most basic elemental level ? We are carbon, atoms, water and dust. But mostly self destructive.

Ugly bags of mostly water!!!

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I think maybe you have judged Jeffrey too soon. I'm not sure what all the excessive bible quoting was about but he seems to have got a grip and I think his heart is in the right place.

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I think maybe you have judged Jeffrey too soon. I'm not sure what all the excessive bible quoting was about but he seems to have got a grip and I think his heart is in the right place.

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I take it back. :-P

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Around 900 years ago, back in the days when most of Europe was lost in the Dark Ages, the then-deranged Muslim ruler of Jerusalem decided to tear down the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. He was quickly deposed, and the Church hastily rebuilt at Muslim expense. The Muslims apologised.

It was too late. Within a few months, reports of similar attacks on Christian pilgrims and symbols in Palestine had spread across Europe. Pope Urban II seemed powerless to respond. He was more concerned with corruption within the Vatican (much of it his own doing), and with the presence of other allegedly false competing claimants to the Pontiff’s throne.

The Pope's “solution” to the internal crisis was to seek a diversion. He declared the first crusade. Historians agree that in leading this battle, the then-Pontiff was less interested in defending the honour of Christ or Jerusalem than in shoring up his own power and diverting attention away from crises within the Church.

Dose that soud familliar hell George w. Bush did pay attention in bible class.

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Dose that soud familliar hell George w. Bush did pay attention in bible class.

Take it to the political thread.

You are starting to remind me of someone, now let me see who could that be?

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I think maybe you have judged Jeffrey too soon. I'm not sure what all the excessive bible quoting was about but he seems to have got a grip and I think his heart is in the right place.

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I take it back. :-P

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Dose that soud familliar hell George w. Bush did pay attention in bible class.

Take it to the political thread.

Yet religion and politics can go hand in hand...

Catholics in House speak out on church

Religion News Service

March 1, 2006

WASHINGTON – A coalition of 55 Catholic House Democrats acknowledged the “moral leadership” of the Catholic Church yesterday but said they will remain “in disagreement with the church” on some issues, including abortion rights.

The “statement of principles” resurrects a battle from the 2004 elections when some Catholic politicians – especially Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry – found themselves at odds with church leaders over their support of abortion rights.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., who spearheaded the statement, said Catholic Democrats did not want to see Catholic faith defined solely by a “one-issue, very narrow right-wing agenda.”

“This is about the whole notion that the Catholic purpose is not defined by one issue,” DeLauro said in an interview, “and what we wanted to try to do was instead of other people defining us, we needed to try to define ourselves.”

Fla. town to embody Catholic strictures
Plan stirs wrath of civil libertarians

By Brian Skoloff
ASSOCIATED PRESS

March 2, 2006

NAPLES, Fla. – If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.

The former pizza magnate is bankrolling the project with at least $250 million and calls it “God's will.”

Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and are threatening to sue.

The town of Ave Maria is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in about 40 years. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwestern Florida.

The town and the university, developed in partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate business, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center, a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, at nearly 65 feet tall. Monaghan envisions 11,000 homes.

During a speech last year at a Catholic men's gathering in Boston, Monaghan said that in his community, stores will not sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies will not carry condoms or birth control pills and cable television will have no X-rated channels.

Home buyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright. Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town, meaning the company could insert provisions in leases to restrict the sale of certain items.

“I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines,” Monaghan, who sold Domino's Pizza in 1998, said in a Newsweek interview.

Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said Tuesday that attorneys are reviewing the legal issues and that Monaghan had no comment in the meantime.

“If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Fla., are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future,” said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan.

Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

“While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments,” Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.

Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington-based Catholics for a Free Choice, likened Monaghan's concept to Islamic fundamentalism.

“This is un-American,” Kissling said. “I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens.”

Nevada man dies in the line of fire for his country, but is denied a memorial because of his religion. More of the American "Christo/Judaic Only" hypocriscy.

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More of the American "Christo/Judaic Only" hypocriscy.

Trust me...

The current form of Christo/Judaic religion is no more Godly than the 'others'... Even God calls them the hypocrites in his books, the 'others' are simply referred to as unbelievers...

The unbelievers will be much better off than the hypocrites... ;)

Catholics in House speak out on church

Religion News Service

March 1, 2006

WASHINGTON – A coalition of 55 Catholic House Democrats acknowledged the “moral leadership” of the Catholic Church yesterday but said they will remain “in disagreement with the church” on some issues, including abortion rights.

The “statement of principles” resurrects a battle from the 2004 elections when some Catholic politicians – especially Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry – found themselves at odds with church leaders over their support of abortion rights.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., who spearheaded the statement, said Catholic Democrats did not want to see Catholic faith defined solely by a “one-issue, very narrow right-wing agenda.”

“This is about the whole notion that the Catholic purpose is not defined by one issue,” DeLauro said in an interview, “and what we wanted to try to do was instead of other people defining us, we needed to try to define ourselves.”

The problem is that the Catholic Church is an extreme version of "all or nothing" politics. This is derived from a Bible verse

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19 (Quote of Jesus in the King James Bible)

There is disagreement over what "these commandments" are since they are never listed in the chapter. The Catholic Church defines "these commandments" as every teaching ascribed to God from the begining of Genesis up to and including the teachings of Jesus. This would exclude the rulings of kings, letters from Apostles, etc. but it would include the Ten Commandments because Catholics ascribe the Ten Commandments to be directly from God (as opposed to being written by Moses upon a healthy dose of meditation).

Furthermore, Catholics define abortion as killing a person. Killing any person violates the Ten Commandments, and therefore anyone who "teaches" that abortion is right is axiomatically opposed to the Catholic Church's position.

Reasonable people disagree with each step of this reasoning (some disagree with every step), but it is the official position of the Catholic Church. That is why they seem so stubborn on issues, even if it alienates a large fraction of the populace. The Catholic Church sort of painted itself into a corner.

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No animals were harmed in the making of the above post... much.

There is disagreement over what "these commandments" are since they are never listed in the chapter. [..] because Catholics ascribe the Ten Commandments to be directly from God [..]

An interesting fact is that the church, long before it was divided into a catholic and protestant, actually deleted one of the original commandments and split another one in two - so to still have the number 10 as total... The one they removed forbid any picture/drawing representation of God or any of his creations. In simple terms, one couldn't picture anything. Someone I know just wrote a thesis about the subject. I could find out more details about it if anyone wants to know.

So, what does this tells us? When man understands just how stupid a law or rule is, he changes it. Easy as that. So much for the sacred and unchangable commandments written by God himself...

An interesting fact is that the church, long before it was divided into a catholic and protestant, actually deleted one of the original commandments and split another one in two - so to still have the number 10 as total...

And yet after 2,000 years there are still 10 and they still declare the same rules... God's rules...

Does it really matter what order they are in or how they are worded?

All GOD is concerned with is that His CHURCH follows His rules...

Don't like it? Stay out of His CHURCH!

The CHURCH is not gonna change God's Commandments for you!