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Message 183932 - Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 8:12:20 UTC

One Giant Leap For Mankind (backwards)

Reuters reported today(Reuters) how the debate over the teaching of the "Intellegent Design" that has some scientists warning that this trend threatens achedemics and science.

"Among the most significant forces is the rising tide of anti-science sentiment that seems to have its nucleus in Washington but which extends throughout the nation," said Philip Pizzo, Dean of the Stanford University School of Medicine.

Hunter Rawlings, acting President of Cornell University , speaking about the challenge to science represented by "intelligent design" which holds that the theory of evolution accepted by the vast majority of scientists is fatally flawed, said, "When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers." Rawlings also said that the dispute was widening political, social, religious and philosophical rifts in U.S. society.

Also, Entrepreneur wrote in its November 2005 issue,(Entrepreneur Article) that only 6% of American undergraduate degrees were in natural sciences or engineering. Furthermore, only 29% of the papers presented in the top physics journals were by American scientists.

American teens ranked 24th of 29 in basic math skills.

The United States is losing its innovative edge. We are regressing technologically by leaps and bounds.

It is to our shame if we allow this to continue. We put men on the Moon and brought them back alive with technology that pales by today's standards, using computers that can not compete with today's video games.

This must be remedied.

We should all work together to fund and support education and the sciences. Let us halt this great backward leap.

Please join The United Federation Foundation to help halt this shamefull back-slide.
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Message 184016 - Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 14:30:29 UTC - in response to Message 183932.  
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Hunter Rawlings, acting President of Cornell University , speaking about the challenge to science represented by "intelligent design" which holds that the theory of evolution accepted by the vast majority of scientists is fatally flawed, said, "When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers." Rawlings also said that the dispute was widening political, social, religious and philosophical rifts in U.S. society.


"When ideological division replaces informed exchange"? That's an amazing statement comming from the acting President of Cornell University considering that the people at Cornell that run ArXiv are engaging in censorship and blacklisting. Explanation here.

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Message 184136 - Posted: 30 Oct 2005, 18:38:23 UTC - in response to Message 184016.  

"When ideological division replaces informed exchange"? That's an amazing statement comming from the acting President of Cornell University considering that the people at Cornell that run ArXiv are engaging in censorship and blacklisting. Explanation here.


Wow, that's rather bad.

Surely it goes against the grain of what science is about - discovering something new or finding new ways to look at something.

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Message 184273 - Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 1:00:44 UTC - in response to Message 184136.  

"When ideological division replaces informed exchange"? That's an amazing statement comming from the acting President of Cornell University considering that the people at Cornell that run ArXiv are engaging in censorship and blacklisting. Explanation here.


Wow, that's rather bad.

Surely it goes against the grain of what science is about - discovering something new or finding new ways to look at something.


That's exactly what I thought when I first discovered the Archive Freedom website -- almost hard to believe.

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Message 184377 - Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 9:30:43 UTC - in response to Message 184016.  

Hunter Rawlings, acting President of Cornell University , speaking about the challenge to science represented by "intelligent design" which holds that the theory of evolution accepted by the vast majority of scientists is fatally flawed, said, "When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers." Rawlings also said that the dispute was widening political, social, religious and philosophical rifts in U.S. society.


"When ideological division replaces informed exchange"? That's an amazing statement comming from the acting President of Cornell University considering that the people at Cornell that run ArXiv are engaging in censorship and blacklisting. Explanation here.


If you do read over at ArXiv, you'll see that for the bulk of abstracts there is somewhat of a balance between reporting the analysis of investigative and experimental results and then on the other hand, theory aimed at spurring further investigation. From what I've read they accept submissions with widely differing points of view. It is interesting to see what is being rejected though.

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Message 184464 - Posted: 31 Oct 2005, 16:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 184377.  
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Hunter Rawlings, acting President of Cornell University , speaking about the challenge to science represented by "intelligent design" which holds that the theory of evolution accepted by the vast majority of scientists is fatally flawed, said, "When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers." Rawlings also said that the dispute was widening political, social, religious and philosophical rifts in U.S. society.


"When ideological division replaces informed exchange"? That's an amazing statement comming from the acting President of Cornell University considering that the people at Cornell that run ArXiv are engaging in censorship and blacklisting. Explanation here.


If you do read over at ArXiv, you'll see that for the bulk of abstracts there is somewhat of a balance between reporting the analysis of investigative and experimental results and then on the other hand, theory aimed at spurring further investigation. From what I've read they accept submissions with widely differing points of view. It is interesting to see what is being rejected though.


Yes, that would seem to be so. However, there seem to be certain theories that for some reason or another get purposely blocked or discredited.

Since you said you were interested to see what is being rejected or discredited, I found some examples:

A paper by Dimiter Chakalov: "Are Gravitational Waves Directly Observable?"

Paul A. LaViolette: The Pioneer maser signal anomaly: Possible confirmation of spontaneous photon blueshifting

Brian Josephson (Nobel Laureate): String Theory, Universal Mind, and the Paranormal





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Message 185401 - Posted: 3 Nov 2005, 14:23:34 UTC - in response to Message 184464.  
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Hunter Rawlings, acting President of Cornell University , speaking about the challenge to science represented by "intelligent design" which holds that the theory of evolution accepted by the vast majority of scientists is fatally flawed, said, "When ideological division replaces informed exchange, dogma is the result and education suffers." Rawlings also said that the dispute was widening political, social, religious and philosophical rifts in U.S. society.


"When ideological division replaces informed exchange"? That's an amazing statement comming from the acting President of Cornell University considering that the people at Cornell that run ArXiv are engaging in censorship and blacklisting. Explanation here.


If you do read over at ArXiv, you'll see that for the bulk of abstracts there is somewhat of a balance between reporting the analysis of investigative and experimental results and then on the other hand, theory aimed at spurring further investigation. From what I've read they accept submissions with widely differing points of view. It is interesting to see what is being rejected though.


Yes, that would seem to be so. However, there seem to be certain theories that for some reason or another get purposely blocked or discredited.

Since you said you were interested to see what is being rejected or discredited, I found some examples:

A paper by Dimiter Chakalov: "Are Gravitational Waves Directly Observable?"

Paul A. LaViolette: The Pioneer maser signal anomaly: Possible confirmation of spontaneous photon blueshifting

Brian Josephson (Nobel Laureate): String Theory, Universal Mind, and the Paranormal







Thanks. Hmmm, this is Brian Josephson as in Josephson Junctions? Sad to see his work discouraged.
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