> There are MANY that can't even get the the point where they know how to post
> here.. If you click on "website" with seti highlighted under the projects tab
> in Boinc, that's where they go! Then if you can't even attach, that's where
> they go, if they ave "don't know your ID", that's where they go, or if they
> can't activate an account, that's where they go as it's been "the website" for
> years! The Classic Seti website and forums!
>
> Funny, but I don't see the "cheerleaders" posting there! (maybe they don't
> know about it!) (pom poms in their eyes is my guess!)
>
> It may open your eyes on how Boinked BOINC is right now!
>
>
>

May be more of the crowd at classic should read their own site, this is from the right side and it is called NEWS

News


June 22, 2004
A new version of SETI@home based on BOINC, is now available. We'll be transitioning to this new version (details are here). For now, you can use the new version or stick with SETI@home Classic


First link brings you to the New Seti@Home site, second takes you to the SETI@home's transition to BOINC page.

and here are the links to the owners manual just becuse you do not like then lolololol
Owner's manual

Website Owner's Manual
Bah!!! I am in it for the money.

Message from the Head ;o) of the
Horse Head Nebula Branch of Seti@Home,

Check is in the mail

AZ Woody AKA conceited Pea Cock God
"I'm Napoleon/Einstein of SETI"

I do read the classic forums. I do post there ocasionally. I do not post there perhaps as often as I should but I have gotten so used to the improvements in BOINC that it is difficult for me to go back. I find these forums easier to read and much easier to post in.

I don't understand why people complain so much about the lack of work with the BOINC version. One possible reason for all the complaints is that BOINC lets you know that there is a problem, seti I just sat there and did nothing with no explanation. I have found it much easier to keep my computers working with BOINC than I ever did with seti I. Today is the first day in most of a year that any of my computers have been idle, and for a suprize it is the one with the most available projects to choose form. Seti I was so bad that even I got impatient and quit running it for awhile. When I quit it had been several weeks without work and even when I was getting work there was usually a 1 to 6 hour break between workunits since it never got one the first attempt. You must ignore the advantages setiqueue and the like give when comparing seti I and BOINC because they were NEVER part of seti I.

John Keck
BOINCing since 2002/12/08

> I do read the classic forums. I do post there ocasionally. I do not post there
> perhaps as often as I should but I have gotten so used to the improvements in
> BOINC that it is difficult for me to go back. I find these forums easier to
> read and much easier to post in.
>
> I don't understand why people complain so much about the lack of work with the
> BOINC version. One possible reason for all the complaints is that BOINC lets
> you know that there is a problem, seti I just sat there and did nothing with
> no explanation. I have found it much easier to keep my computers working with
> BOINC than I ever did with seti I. Today is the first day in most of a year
> that any of my computers have been idle, and for a suprize it is the one with
> the most available projects to choose form. Seti I was so bad that even I got
> impatient and quit running it for awhile. When I quit it had been several
> weeks without work and even when I was getting work there was usually a 1 to 6
> hour break between workunits since it never got one the first attempt. You
> must ignore the advantages setiqueue and the like give when comparing seti I
> and BOINC because they were NEVER part of seti I.
>
John Keck
> BOINCing since 2002/12/08
>


I installed BOINC some time ago and some time ago I received some WUs to process. Since completing those WUs, about 3 weeks ago, I have received nothing, zip, squat, whatever you like to call it, a big fat zero.

From the point of view of someone who has been with SETI for some time, I find this totally and utterly frustrating. In short, it p****s me off as it does with a lot of other users. Maybe you should read the other boards if you haven't already.

The question is, when are the pencil heads going to listen to the donator base and get their act together and DELIVER A QUALITY PRODUCT.

You may be one of the lucky few that seem to be getting WUs to process, but there is a vast swathe of us who aren't, don't be short sighted in your judgements.

We all need to get them to do the right thing !!!

I also read and post on the S@H boards when I have time.

> I installed BOINC some time ago and some time ago I received some WUs to
> process. Since completing those WUs, about 3 weeks ago, I have received
> nothing, zip, squat, whatever you like to call it, a big fat zero.
>
> From the point of view of someone who has been with SETI for some time, I find
> this totally and utterly frustrating. In short, it p****s me off as it does
> with a lot of other users. Maybe you should read the other boards if you
> haven't already.
>
> The question is, when are the pencil heads going to listen to the donator base
> and get their act together and DELIVER A QUALITY PRODUCT.

Lionel,

Dipping my oar in this I have to say one thing. This post of yours is a rant, not a request for help. Earlier in the thread there was a post that people were ignoring requests for help and I don't think that it is true. Yes there are problems with WU distribution right now. Guess what, in SETI@Home Classic there were times that I could not, and did not get work there either.

One of the reasons I have not started running BOINC on the Mac in my "farm" is that there is not a GUI version of the software. Earlier, I had nearly 3/4 of the work in my queue completed and I could not get any work for the Mac because of a distribution problem/connection problem that lasted nearly a week.

But it got fixed and now I can get work in Classis and upload resutls.

The development team is delivering a quality product (my opinion, your mileage may vary - look it up in my glossary). BOINC has built in features to replace the queuing program that I had to get from third parties because of the lack of this one feature.

I an not apologizing for UCB and the developers and saying that there are not problems with the current versions or the way that BOINC was released. I have no official standing, nor contacts within the project; and yet as an external participant I have be just as critical of real and percieved shortcomings of the BOINC project (ask around if you doubt my word). But the only way to make your point that there is a problem is to make the point calmly and rationally.

They do listen to the donator/participant base. However, that listening may run up against the cold wall of reality. Engineering is a discipline of trade-offs and the art of the possible. I have, in the last month or so, been highly ciritical of design decisions in the area of database design (which was my speciality as a systems engineer) and yet, as I have learned about the reasoning behind the decisions I have to admit that I might have made the same choices and may have/probably would also have run into the same limitations that are causing problems now.

It is easy to complain. It is much harder to discover a problem. It is harder still to come up with a solution. It is nearly impossible to derive a solution that does not create new problems. It is impossible to satisfy every one.

> Oh god of all seti, I guess that I ignored your command.. Ever hear of the
> 1st admendment? It doesn't seem that anyone is PO'ed at me there! Only the
> cheerleaders that won't return, as I hold them the facts (as I understand
> them)!

More accurately, increasing numbers of people are ignoring you as you have graphically demonstrated you possess niether facts, nor understanding.

> There are MANY that can't even get the the point where they know how to post
> here.. If you click on "website" with seti highlighted under the projects tab
> in Boinc, that's where they go! Then if you can't even attach, that's where
> they go, if they ave "don't know your ID", that's where they go, or if they
> can't activate an account, that's where they go as it's been "the website" for
> years! The Classic Seti website and forums!
>
> Funny, but I don't see the "cheerleaders" posting there! (maybe they don't
> know about it!) (pom poms in their eyes is my guess!)
>
> It may open your eyes on how Boinked BOINC is right now!
>
>
>

Makes me wonder how some people can even get out of bed and dress themselves in the morning......Here comes the links, just read and learn....

Documentation Menu

Release Notes

Boinc Owner's manual

Boinc Website Owner's Manual


Bah!!! I am in it for the money.

Message from the Head ;o) of the
Horse Head Nebula Branch of Seti@Home,

Check is in the mail