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Message 115286 - Posted: 27 May 2005, 2:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 115279.  
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[quote]There's only ONE King in these fora and his name is Misfit. >;-)


My Humblest apologies sire. I had a temporary loss of rational thinking.

Apology not required Rocky. It is Rocky, right? I would hate to see Misfit de-throwned by some undeserving soul. >:-)


Yes it's Rocky!

BTW , I imagine that Misfit sits on a completely different type of Throne.
Not the porcelin one that Pauly Poo sits on.
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Message 115313 - Posted: 27 May 2005, 4:01:20 UTC - in response to Message 115286.  

[quote]There's only ONE King in these fora and his name is Misfit. >;-)


My Humblest apologies sire. I had a temporary loss of rational thinking.

Apology not required Rocky. It is Rocky, right? I would hate to see Misfit de-throwned by some undeserving soul. >:-)


Yes it's Rocky!

BTW , I imagine that Misfit sits on a completely different type of Throne.
Not the porcelin one that Pauly Poo sits on.


Screwed that all up.... [de-throned]!


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Message 115560 - Posted: 27 May 2005, 22:07:07 UTC
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Message 116388 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 12:23:04 UTC

New evidence reveals that RAF and US aircraft raid rates in the no fly zone were doubled in 2002 in a failed attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies a legal excuse for war.

The details follow the leak to The Sunday Times of minutes of a key meeting in July 2002 at which Blair and his war cabinet discussed how to make “regime change” in Iraq legal.

Tommy Franks, the allied commander, has since admitted this operation was designed to “degrade” Iraqi air defences in the same way as the air attacks that began the 1991 Gulf war.

Rehashing an 'old' war crime, ....... adding more new evidence to 'old news'.....
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Message 116389 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 12:35:26 UTC - in response to Message 116388.  

Who Cares!, If Clinton did not get throw out of office for Lying and
Disgracing the Oval Office, It's done what ya going to do impeach the President
and the rest of the government....

Ain't Going to happen......

As far as the downing street letter, all that scribbling could have been
applied at a later time.



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Message 116397 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 13:22:25 UTC - in response to Message 116388.  

Nothing from you is worth quoting anymore....!!!!


<p align="center">WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR CRAP HERE ANYMORE!!!</p>

What the hell is wrong with you Paul? This place was nice and peaceful without you posting you rehashed rhetorical crap. Why must you do this? If you're that disenchanted with the U.S., GET THE HELL OUT!



<p align="center">KNOCK IT OFF PAUL!!!!</p>

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Message 116408 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 13:43:32 UTC

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Message 116409 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 13:45:54 UTC - in response to Message 116408.  

PAUL:


Right on Rocky!!!! Bah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

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Message 116506 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:11:35 UTC

May 31, 2005

Hon. Donald Rumsfeld
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The Pentagon
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Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

    I write with an urgent and important request that you respond to a report in the London Times on Sunday, May 29, indicating that British and U.S. aircraft increased their rates of bombing in 2002 in order to provoke an excuse for war in Iraq.  Much of this information is provided by the British Ministry of Defense in response to questions posed by Liberal Democrat Sir Menzies Campbell.  

    As you may know, on May 6, I wrote to President Bush, along with 88 of my colleagues in the House of Representatives, asking him to respond to allegations first revealed in the London Times on May 1, that the U.S. and British government had a secret plan to invade Iraq by the summer of 2002, well before the Bush Administration requested authorization for military action, from the U.S. Congress.  A response is still pending on that request.

    The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article.  They include the following:

*    "The RAF and U.S. aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs in 2002 ....  The attacks were intensified from May .... By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive."  Then British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon reportedly told a British Cabinet Meeting in July, 2002, that by this time "the U.S. had already begun `spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime."  The newly released information also appears to show that "the allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001."

*    According to the article, this increase at the rate of bombing was "an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war."  As I am sure you are aware, allied commander Tommy Franks has previously acknowledged the existence of increased military operations which he asserted were needed "to `degrade' Iraqi air defenses in the same way as the air attacks that began the 1991 Gulf War."

*    The new information goes on to indicate that our military decided "on August 5, 2005 [sic], for a `hybrid plan" in which a continuous air offensive and special forces would begin while the main ground force built up in Kuwait for a full-scale invasion."  According to the article, "despite the lack of an Iraqi reaction, the air war began anyway in September with a 100-plane raid."

    The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article.  If true, these assertions indicate that not only had our nation secretly and perhaps illegally agreed to go to war by the summer of 2002, but that we had gone on to take specific and tangible military actions before asking Congress or the United Nations for authority.

    Thus, while there is considerable doubt as to whether the U.S. had authority to invade Iraq, given, among other things, the failure of the U.N. to issue a follow-up resolution to the November 8, 2002 Resolution 1441, it would seem that the act of engaging in military action via stepped up bombing raids that were not in response to an actual or imminent threat before our government asked for military authority would be even more problematic from a legal as well as a moral perspective.

    As a result of these new disclosures, I would ask that you respond as promptly as possible to the following questions:

1)    Did the RAF and the United States military increase the rate that they were dropping bombs in Iraq in 2002?  If so, what was the extent and timing of the increase?

2)    What was the justification for any such increase in the rate of bombing in Iraq at this time?  Was this justification reviewed by legal authorities in the U.S.?

3)    To the best of your knowledge, was there any agreement with any representative of the British government to engage in military action in Iraq before authority was sought from the Congress or the U.N.?  If so, what was the nature of the agreement?

In connection with all of the above questions, please provide me with any memorandum, notes, minutes, documents, phone and other records, e-mails, computer files (including back-up records)  or other material of any kind or nature concerning or relating thereto in the possession or accessible by the Department of Defense.

    I would encourage you to provide responses to these questions as promptly as possible, as they raise extremely grave and serious questions involving the credibility of our Administration and its constitutional responsibilities.  In the interest of time, please feel free to forward me partial responses as they become available.

    Sincerely,

    John Conyers, Jr.
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Message 116516 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 116506.  
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Nothing from you is worth quoting anymore....!!!!

Check this out....

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Message 116522 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:44:44 UTC - in response to Message 116397.  
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If you're that disenchanted with the U.S., GET THE HELL OUT!

[font="Times"]I shall be telling this with a sigh:
Somewhere ages and ages whence
Two States converged into my youth, and I&mdash;
I lived the one less Anglicized,
And that has made all the difference.[/font]

[font="fixedsys,courier"]Read: Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it, and learned more than I could possibly imagine... [sigh] Good times...[/font]
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Message 116526 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:49:01 UTC - in response to Message 116506.  

May 31, 2005

Hon. Donald Rumsfeld
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The Pentagon
Arlington, VA

Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

    I write with an urgent and important request that you respond to a report in the London Times on Sunday, May 29, indicating that British and U.S. aircraft increased their rates of bombing in 2002 in order to provoke an excuse for war in Iraq.  Much of this information is provided by the British Ministry of Defense in response to questions posed by Liberal Democrat Sir Menzies Campbell.  

    As you may know, on May 6, I wrote to President Bush, along with 88 of my colleagues in the House of Representatives, asking him to respond to allegations first revealed in the London Times on May 1, that the U.S. and British government had a secret plan to invade Iraq by the summer of 2002, well before the Bush Administration requested authorization for military action, from the U.S. Congress.  A response is still pending on that request.

    The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article.  They include the following:

*    "The RAF and U.S. aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs in 2002 ....  The attacks were intensified from May .... By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive."  Then British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon reportedly told a British Cabinet Meeting in July, 2002, that by this time "the U.S. had already begun `spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime."  The newly released information also appears to show that "the allies dropped twice as many bombs on Iraq in the second half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001."

*    According to the article, this increase at the rate of bombing was "an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war."  As I am sure you are aware, allied commander Tommy Franks has previously acknowledged the existence of increased military operations which he asserted were needed "to `degrade' Iraqi air defenses in the same way as the air attacks that began the 1991 Gulf War."

*    The new information goes on to indicate that our military decided "on August 5, 2005 [sic], for a `hybrid plan" in which a continuous air offensive and special forces would begin while the main ground force built up in Kuwait for a full-scale invasion."  According to the article, "despite the lack of an Iraqi reaction, the air war began anyway in September with a 100-plane raid."

    The allegations and factual assertions made in the May 29 London Times are in many respects just as serious as those made in the earlier article.  If true, these assertions indicate that not only had our nation secretly and perhaps illegally agreed to go to war by the summer of 2002, but that we had gone on to take specific and tangible military actions before asking Congress or the United Nations for authority.

    Thus, while there is considerable doubt as to whether the U.S. had authority to invade Iraq, given, among other things, the failure of the U.N. to issue a follow-up resolution to the November 8, 2002 Resolution 1441, it would seem that the act of engaging in military action via stepped up bombing raids that were not in response to an actual or imminent threat before our government asked for military authority would be even more problematic from a legal as well as a moral perspective.

    As a result of these new disclosures, I would ask that you respond as promptly as possible to the following questions:

1)    Did the RAF and the United States military increase the rate that they were dropping bombs in Iraq in 2002?  If so, what was the extent and timing of the increase?

2)    What was the justification for any such increase in the rate of bombing in Iraq at this time?  Was this justification reviewed by legal authorities in the U.S.?

3)    To the best of your knowledge, was there any agreement with any representative of the British government to engage in military action in Iraq before authority was sought from the Congress or the U.N.?  If so, what was the nature of the agreement?

In connection with all of the above questions, please provide me with any memorandum, notes, minutes, documents, phone and other records, e-mails, computer files (including back-up records)  or other material of any kind or nature concerning or relating thereto in the possession or accessible by the Department of Defense.

    I would encourage you to provide responses to these questions as promptly as possible, as they raise extremely grave and serious questions involving the credibility of our Administration and its constitutional responsibilities.  In the interest of time, please feel free to forward me partial responses as they become available.

    Sincerely,

    John Conyers, Jr.
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Message 116529 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:50:47 UTC - in response to Message 116526.  


Since we were too stupid to read it the first time you felt the need to post it again..

How many people need to tell you to stop posting this garbabge before you actually do?



I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

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Message 116530 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:51:05 UTC - in response to Message 116522.  


[font="Times"]I shall be telling this with a sigh:
Somewhere ages and ages whence
Two States converged into my youth, and I—
I lived the one less Anglicized,
And that has made all the difference.[/font]




WOW, NA, that was beautiful! :-)
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Message 116532 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:53:15 UTC - in response to Message 116530.  

[font="Fixedsys,Courier"]Like I told 'ya: It's been a good day. !-D

The time I spent in Chile and Argentina... wouldn' trade it for nuthin' in da world.[/font]
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Message 116533 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 18:57:11 UTC - in response to Message 116532.  

[font="Fixedsys,Courier"]Like I told 'ya: It's been a good day. !-D

The time I spent in Chile and Argentina... wouldn' trade it for nuthin' in da world.[/font]


Nope, you actually didn't tell me that! Actually you don't tell me anything at all these days!

And my time being an alien makes me a bit, you know....



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Message 116536 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 19:02:18 UTC - in response to Message 116526.  
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Nothing from you is worth quoting anymore....!!!!

What you are doing is considered Spamming the Fora Paul.

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Message 116556 - Posted: 30 May 2005, 19:45:24 UTC - in response to Message 116526.  
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[quote][quote]May 31, 2005

Hon. Donald Rumsfeld
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The Pentagon
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Dear Secretary Rumsfeld:

Tell Zimmerman to go find a soapbox somewhere else.


Better Yet Paul go move to Iran I am sure you'll have
lots of sympathizers for you cause....


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Message 116693 - Posted: 31 May 2005, 0:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 116526.  
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Nothing from you is worth quoting anymore....!!!!

Hey Paul, participate in BOINC/SETI and earn the R I G H T to post in these fora!

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Message 116776 - Posted: 31 May 2005, 10:25:17 UTC - in response to Message 116693.  

[font="fixedsys,courier"]Correction: Earn the privilege.

He's got the right not to participate, but the privilege is obtained through active participation.[/font]
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