<blockquote>Vindication anyone?</blockquote>

Hell, no: Blair's vindication will be in the domestic arena,
not the international chaos that he got suckered into.

Tuppence of conscience.

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Vindication?

One definition of 'vindication' defines vindication as an excuse....... not a justification but merely an 'excuse'.....

I guess if you think what you may be alluding to as being excusable...... then I guess you might could say vindication...

But vindication being justification ?, or vindication being 'a clearing of honor'?

I still have some few questions that haven't been addressed and too much evidence to raise still more questions...


I think it's way too early to think of 'vindication'. It will be years before much of what we don't know now is ever revealed. I'll wait and see the complete picture before I'll seriously consider 'vindication' of any kind.
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Here's a little perception of what might suggest we might not want to make a hasty decision on vindication of any sort, ........ maybe, it may more properly to be thought of as....'otherwise'..... It may turn out to be the exact opposite...

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An anti-U.S. riot prompted by a Newsweek report that interrogators at Guantanamo desecrated the Quran, has left four dead in Jalalabad with protests spreading to four Afghan provinces and beyond.

A more-than-50 percent increase in hate crimes against Muslims in the U.S. was reported by The Council on American-Islamic Relations, in what CAIR calls "the only annual study of its kind."

A joint U.N.-Iraqi report calls living conditions in Iraq "tragic," citing "a desperate lack of jobs, housing, health care and electricity." Plus: 'Plenty of oil but no gasoline.'

"At least 14 American soldiers" have been killed in Iraq since Saturday, and the New York Times reports that an "eruption of violence" has "carried the insurgency to levels rarely seen in the 25 months since American troops seized Baghdad," leaving hundreds of Iraqis dead and the new government "looking vulnerable only nine days after it was sworn into office."

In western Iraq, where an amphibious vehicle carrying 18 U.S. Marines plus ammo and explosives hit a roadside bomb, a sergeant told the Los Angeles Times that "We're fighting an invisible enemy. They're like the ... CIA."

U.S. sources denied Iraqi government claims that two U.S. helicopters were shot down near Qaim, as insurgents gunned down Iraqi military and police leaders.

The BBC rounds up regional comment as 'Press ponders rising Iraq violence,' with the Tehran Times arguing that "the Americans' inability to stop these terrorist attacks despite their modern military equipment is suspicious." Plus: U.S. media ignore advice.

NewStandard's Chris Shumway, commenting on an AP dispatch titled 'Iraqi Insurgents Go on Rampage, Kill 61,' says "I don't recall the AP using a similar headline while US forces were attacking Fallujah last November ... Was that not a rampage?"

David Sirota regards an entry on ABC News's "The Note" as a declaration that although "the death and carnage in Iraq is truly staggering," ABC is "simply not interested" in covering it.

"On The Media's" Brooke Gladstone rips CNN head Jonathan Klein for his network's blanket coverage of the "runaway bride" story, asking: "does this fit into the roll up your sleeves storytelling that you have in mind?"

After initially giving short shrift, along with most other U.S. media outlets, to the Iraq war memo leaked to the Times of London, CNN files a report headlined 'Bush asked to explain UK war memo.'

'Reality Gap' William Lind argues that "the real message" of a recent Pentagon risk assessment is that "no matter what happens, no one can defeat the American military." Lind observes that the Spanish army "had not lost a battle in a century until it met the French at Rocroi" in 1643.

Interviewed on "Democracy Now!" Seymour Hersh said that Iraq is moving "towards an open civil war," that a pardon for Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi would be a personal favor to President Bush, and that although "American casualties are back up ... it's not a major story."

The London Sunday Telegraph reports that Chalabi had previously "refused the offer of a pardon" for his fraud conviction in Jordan "because it would have involved admitting guilt."

A growing number of 'America's Hired Guns' from "an industry that doesn't communicate" are said to be "paying the price in blood" in Iraq.

As Iraqi and U.S. officials play hardball over a building, some Iraqi women reportedly "run a daily gauntlet of car bombings and shootings" to play softball.

The U.S. Army will halt its recruiting efforts for one day this month "to allow commanders to emphasize proper conduct," reports the AP, following recent incidents including one where a recruiter allegedly threatened to have a would-be recruit arrested if he backed out. Plus: Recruit alleges bait and switch tactics by National Guard.

Just the news that doesn't tell you what happened to the runaway bride or what happened in the bedroom of the worlds weirdest pedophile.
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Vindication?

Sorry, kolch.... but, ...

As I heard it said by someone who couldn't quite believe some of the blind 'justifications' being recently bandied about in some other circles......

"Light the fuse, Jeebus, ....I'm ready for the End Times..."

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Vindication?

Sorry, kolch.... but, ...

As I heard it said by someone who couldn't quite believe some of the blind 'justifications' being recently bandied about in some other circles......

"Light the fuse, Jeebus, ....I'm ready for the End Times..."</blockquote>

PZ, All those "examples are one sided, They don't tell the whole story and the real story. Please just post the links and not the blogs....

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My simple point was that like it or not, more people in those democratic countries were ok with the war than not ok with the war. Thus the leaders that took us to war were re-elected.

I doubt that re-election had an awful lot to do with successful economic policies as foreign policy and domestic security have taken the headlines for some time now.

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

>PZ, All those "examples are one sided, They don't tell the whole story and the real story. Please just post the links and not the blogs....

The links are all available through the link I posted....

If you think you have to view them all for yourself.... go link to them...

(and if you think you have 'the real story'..... put up the links..... don't just make unsupported claims that you know about it)

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An interesting interactive article on [url=http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20050515_CLASS_GRAPHIC/index_01.html?hp]class[/url] over at NY Times...

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An interesting interactive article on [url=http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20050515_CLASS_GRAPHIC/index_01.html?hp]class[/url] over at NY Times...

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Yes it was very interesting.

Rocky

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General Myers has stated that the riots were not in response to the Newsweek story but as a response to our continued efforts at 'recreating' Afghanistan to suit our image and the Newsweek 'retraction' doesn't actually say the reports are not factual, only that the source was not clear....

(...but that information doesn't help the 'spin'....... hence the 'omission' of any further mention in continued press coverage.

not the first reported desecrations

not the only reports

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Air Force General Richard Myers told reporters at the Pentagon May 12 that he has been told that the Jalalabad, Afghanistan, rioting was related more to the ongoing political reconciliation process in Afghanistan than anything else.

...Myers said an after-action report provided by U.S. Army Lieutenant General Karl Eikenberry, commander of the Combined Forces in Afghanistan, indicated that the political violence was not, in fact, connected to the magazine report.

Imagine that....

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asked about increases in Iraqi insurgency, General Myers responds with ....Most insurgencies have a lifespan of three to nine years.....

(so he thinks we have a few years of the same old story in store for up to nine more years ?)

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Pauly-poo, your sources are highly suspect: Scoops (Netherlands), Turkish Press, and the most suspect of all, the Washington Post. Well, at least you didn't cite the New York ("All the news that we can make up") Times.

General Myer's remarks are directly lifted from US Department of State reports...


(you'd know that if you understood what you read)

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You mean "All the news that we could make up in twenty minutes without
corroborating anonymous sources"... right?

!-P

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Can you say 'Curveball'.....

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General Myer's remarks are directly lifted from US Department of State reports...


(you'd know that if you understood what you read)

That's real funny coming from you. Your "understanding" is predetermined: you only read what you have already decided to be (what you deem to be) true. You are one of the most politically biased people these boards have ever seen. Open your eyes (or does all the smoke from your cannibis sting).


And, by the way, I was commenting on your sources, not sources those so-called "news" organizations used. Mayby YOU should try to comprehend what others write.

The trouble with your whining is that the information is factual.... you just don't like seeing it.

So you attempt to discredit it.

But the info is factual....

Your argument? Obsfuscation.....

Try to address the facts, tom, otherwise, it's just more of your whining that the facts don't match your dreams....

Maybe you could read this link, and then keep your comments on the topic instead of just trying to discredit the facts because I posted them....

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The trouble with your whining is that the information is factual.... you just don't like seeing it.

So you attempt to discredit it.

But the info is factual....

Your argument? Obsfuscation.....

Try to address the facts, tom, otherwise, it's just more of your whining that the facts don't match your dreams....

Maybe you could read this link, and then keep your comments on the topic instead of just trying to discredit the facts because I posted them....

Why is it anyone who disagrees with your opinion is whinning?

(you'd know that if you understood what you read)

Which appears to be something you yourself cannot do....

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