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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Be very wary of where Green Joe is leading you all................. The great Texas climate catastrophe is heading your way. Green energy means a less reliable power grid. Why do our leaders deny that? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19073 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Be very wary of where Green Joe is leading you all................. Some of the energy sources powering the grid were knocked out by the inclement weather, most of which were facilities run by gas, coal or nuclear energy. From https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/15/rolling-blackouts-texas/ |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Yes, that is true, it was an extraordinary weather event. (Unless you believe that this "normally expected weather", as one poster here opined in another thread.) But the energy sources most affected were solar and wind power, both of which were practically useless. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Yes, that is true, it was an extraordinary weather event. Texas has no income tax. Government just like any other operation has to have cash to operate. When Texas went around with their commercials - come to tax free Texas - and expanded, they did not have and still do not have enough cash to support the infrastructure improvements necessary for the growth. No different than a franchise operation opening too many new stores. Soon enough they go bankrupt. In the case of a government bankruptcy isn't allowed, so government services suffer or stop, private operators that government depends on fail. So when mother nature gives you the expected max normal event there has been no capital spent preparing for it, all of the capital went to expanding too fast. Suffering and haircut time. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19073 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Yes, that is true, it was an extraordinary weather event. But the energy sources most affected were solar and wind power, both of which were practically useless. What is "normally expected weather"? Most of those that study exceptional events normally talk of "once in so many years" events and if similar events occur more than once every century then it is "normal" and should be planned for. And as low temps have hit Texas in 1933, 1949 and 1989, then it is definitely not unexpected. And to make it worse this was forecasted over a week before it happened. But the energy sources most affected were solar and wind power, both of which were practically useless. From https://apnews.com/article/texas-power-outage-winter-energy-pride-c260c340f619688dd511cc6645b40a04 Republican Gov. Greg Abbott called for an investigation of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which operates the state’s power grid. His indignation struck a much different tone than just a day earlier, when he told Texans that ERCOT was prioritizing residential customers and that power was getting restored to hundreds of thousands of homes. P.S. As this is about a Republican State that has f____ up, why is in in the Joe Biden thread? edit] Just found this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-power-prices-explainer/explainer-texass-one-of-a-kind-power-system-raises-questions-during-price-spike-idUSKBN2AG2KD it explains a lot about the Texas Electricity system. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
edit] Just found this https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-power-prices-explainer/explainer-texass-one-of-a-kind-power-system-raises-questions-during-price-spike-idUSKBN2AG2KD it explains a lot about the Texas Electricity system. Next-day power for Tuesday at the ERCOT North hub jumped to a record of $1,489.75 per megawatt hour (MWh), while some 5-minute power prices approached $11,000 per MWh over the past couple of days, ERCOT said. That annual average at the ERCOT North hub was $26 in 2020. That is exactly the Enron power market that crushed California. Enron was located in Texas. Some lessons are never learned. <ed>https://apnews.com/article/texas-power-outage-winter-energy-pride-c260c340f619688dd511cc6645b40a04 Ed Hirs, an energy fellow at the University of Houston, said the problem was a lack of weatherized power plants and a statewide energy market that doesn’t incentivize companies to generate electricity when demand is low. In Texas, demand peaks in August, at the height of the state’s sweltering summers. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Thanks for that. That's a very good explainer. Next-day power for Tuesday at the ERCOT North hub jumped to a record of $1,489.75 per megawatt hour (MWh), while some 5-minute power prices approached $11,000 per MWh over the past couple of days, ERCOT said. That annual average at the ERCOT North hub was $26 in 2020. I wonder what the cut-off price is whereby it becomes cheaper to let the lights go out rather than to pay the Market ransom? Unlike other U.S. electric grid operators, ERCOT does not have a capacity market - payments made to operators to ensure power needs in coming years - to handle events like the freeze. Instead, regulators use scarcity pricing to ensure reliability, but that can cause real-time prices to soar due to shortages, economists said. Which shows up that the grid business model is wrong/deficient. Which also follows my support experience. Under a UK contract, I had the budget to hold unused spares and excess capacity "on-hand" so that we had an immediate response to urgent new requirements or to fix any equipment failures on-the-day. That gave us very good flexibility and resilience. A USA team swept in and screamed horror that we had spent money on items that they considered were not being used. So the spare parts and spare capacity were run down to zero. All too soon and completely as predicted and cautioned, any hoped for savings were wiped out by our very first systems outage. All very silly for the short term myopia... There is no 'free lunch'. What you pay for has to be carefully considered and costed. That gets too often unmanageable when integrated systems are broken down by spreadsheet blind Bean Counters into separated parts for a simple race down to the bottom for whatever is cheapest in the short term. Stay warm folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22220 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
spreadsheet blind Bean Counters Who know the price of everything but the value of nothing. There have been times when I've heard it suggested that the bean counters should be compelled to do a few weeks honest hard work on the tools preferably, on a nice cool, damp November morning..... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34841 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Indeed, desperate in Texas: ‘We Are Nearing A Failed State In Texas’... wrote: “We are nearing a failed state in Texas. And it has nothing to do with God, or natural disasters. It has everything to do with the leadership and those in the positions of public trust who have failed us,”... Such is the self-destructive politics within! Here's hoping something positive and good comes from such desperate myopic failure. Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Indeed, desperate in Texas: ... This adds a significant world impact alongside the Human misery: Samsung's Chip Fabs in Texas Ordered to Shut Down Due to Power Shortage wrote: In a development that certainly isn't going to help the ongoing global chip shortage, according to a report from the Austin-American Statesman, Samsung has been ordered to completely shut down its fabs in Austin, Texas, due to power shortages in the state. The unprecedented move also impacts NXP Semiconductors and Infineon Semiconductors, and all of the impacted companies have complied with the order and ceased chip production operations. Ouch #2! That all has very serious and very costly repercussions... For a long time to come. I'm also reminded that the Flint water scandal is still long too long ongoing... Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Be very wary of where Green Joe is leading you all................. In summary: Going green is fine and good for our planet and for the health of all of us. It is the greedy practices of the old GOP politics that poisons the wells! Here's wishing for the people of Texas the best and the best recovery possible under the circumstances. Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19073 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Be very wary of where Green Joe is leading you all................. The question Texans and the Republican party need to ask is "Why do wind farms work, during the winter, in Canada and the Northern States and not in Texas?" |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Because they don't drill for oil? Oh they do in Canada! Must be because they want green to fail.Be very wary of where Green Joe is leading you all................. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The question Texans and the Republican party need to ask is "Why do wind farms work, during the winter, in Canada and the Northern States and not in Texas?"Because they don't drill for oil? Oh they do in Canada! Must be because they want green to fail. Some of the misinformation ('Trump Fake News') suggests there is an opportunistic damnable game at play: Texas weather: Are frozen wind turbines to blame for power cuts? wrote: ... Republican representatives and media commentators have blamed green energy policies, in particular the increased use of wind turbines. Hopefully there will be good positivity from all this to properly fix the power and the politics. Stay warm folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
https://news.yahoo.com/parts-texas-not-ercot-power-080159059.html The parts of Texas not on its ERCOT power grid appear to have weathered the freeze with few outages Texas got the Enron treatment! |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... Texas got the Enron treatment! Note the totally matter-of-fact tone from this interview: Texas Ignored Report Predicting Power Grid Emergency For 10 Years wrote: Houston Chronicle reporter Zach Despart and University of Houston Energy Fellow Ed Hirs join Chuck Todd to discuss the power grid emergency... Note the heavy-duty clothing! Note also the comments about the business model and how that rewards the operators to operate... So... All completely predictable. What next?... Stay warm folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Curiously, Ted Cruz goes on vacation!... Texas Senator Ted Cruz flew to Mexico amid state energy crisis wrote: Texas Senator Ted Cruz flew to Mexico with his family amid a winter weather crisis that has left millions in his state without power... All a question of priorities? And what of traveling for the sake of a sunny vacation whilst in the midst of the Coronavirus pandemic and of COVID?... Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30673 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And what of traveling for the sake of a sunny vacation whilst in the midst of the Coronavirus pandemic and of COVID?...Mr. Cruz thinks that is fake. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20326 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And what of traveling for the sake of a sunny vacation whilst in the midst of the Coronavirus pandemic and of COVID?...Mr. Cruz thinks that is fake. In the same way fake as the Texas freeze?... Stay safe folks! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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