US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan

Message boards : Politics : US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1861874 - Posted: 16 Apr 2017, 14:56:15 UTC - in response to Message 1861869.  

Dear Tsar Putin... The USA is not Military Irrelevant Western Europe.
For good, or bad. The USA, unlike The Left of Europe. Truly understands you.
And will not, as they wish to do. Tell the Victims of Evil to 'Drop Dead'.

Dear Mr Clyde. Could you rephrase that?
I don't understand...
ID: 1861874 · Report as offensive
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1861881 - Posted: 16 Apr 2017, 15:17:41 UTC - in response to Message 1861877.  

Russia, nor any other Military, or Combinations of Military, minus the USA. Have the military logistics to conduct an International War.

As far as I know it's only the US that are waging an International War.
With support from some NATO allies.
Oh. Come to think about it.
There are some countries not in NATO that help you.
Russia is one of them!
And two small neighbouring countries next to Russia:)
ID: 1861881 · Report as offensive
pierre castro
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 Feb 17
Posts: 86
Credit: 107,398
RAC: 0
Cuba
Message 1861967 - Posted: 17 Apr 2017, 1:17:53 UTC - in response to Message 1861881.  

As far as I know it's only the US that are waging an International War.
With support from some NATO allies.
Oh. Come to think about it.
There are some countries not in NATO that help you.
Russia is one of them!
And two small neighbouring countries next to Russia:)

The USA is entrenched in a Dogma of "War for Profit".
The Military Industrial Complex reaps the profits from global instability.
While US companies profit from global conflict, those profits come directly from tax payers.
Countries like China realize that excessive defense spending is wasted money, and wasted opportunity.
This is why tRump will never "Make America Great Again", as long as America wastes tax payers money
on making weapons manufacturers rich, while creating conflicts that justify it's insane weapons spending.
ID: 1861967 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11362
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1861973 - Posted: 17 Apr 2017, 3:12:19 UTC - in response to Message 1861967.  

T
he USA is entrenched in a Dogma of "War for Profit".
The Military Industrial Complex reaps the profits from global instability.
While US companies profit from global conflict, those profits come directly from tax payers.
Countries like China realize that excessive defense spending is wasted money, and wasted opportunity.
This is why tRump will never "Make America Great Again", as long as America wastes tax payers money
on making weapons manufacturers rich, while creating conflicts that justify it's insane weapons spending.

Lots of truth there
ID: 1861973 · Report as offensive
pierre castro
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 Feb 17
Posts: 86
Credit: 107,398
RAC: 0
Cuba
Message 1862467 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 10:01:15 UTC - in response to Message 1862444.  

The USA is entrenched in a Dogma of "War for Profit".
The Military Industrial Complex reaps the profits from global instability.
While US companies profit from global conflict, those profits come directly from tax payers.
Countries like China realize that excessive defense spending is wasted money, and wasted opportunity.
This is why tRump will never "Make America Great Again", as long as America wastes tax payers money
on making weapons manufacturers rich, while creating conflicts that justify it's insane weapons spending.

But Mass Murdering, Mass Enslavement, Anti-Capitalist Extreme Leftest and Marxism isn't the answer to Capitalism.

It is far more evil.

Excepting to those who support or excuse Extreme Leftest and Marxist Mass Murdering and Enslaving Systems.

They are far more evil than what they correctly attack.

It's good to know that you support killing off over of half a million people in Iraq for profit.
It makes it easier for me to just ignore you in the future, despite your begging and trolling for a response.
There's a reason people have stopped responding to you.
ID: 1862467 · Report as offensive
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2892
Credit: 1,499,890
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1862471 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 11:59:31 UTC - in response to Message 1861967.  

As far as I know it's only the US that are waging an International War.
With support from some NATO allies.
Oh. Come to think about it.
There are some countries not in NATO that help you.
Russia is one of them!
And two small neighbouring countries next to Russia:)

The USA is entrenched in a Dogma of "War for Profit".
The Military Industrial Complex reaps the profits from global instability.
While US companies profit from global conflict, those profits come directly from tax payers.
Countries like China realize that excessive defense spending is wasted money, and wasted opportunity.
This is why tRump will never "Make America Great Again", as long as America wastes tax payers money
on making weapons manufacturers rich, while creating conflicts that justify it's insane weapons spending.



Oh? Is that why China's military spending is set to double this decade (2010-2020)?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/12/news/china-military-defense-defence-spending/

China's defense spending to double to $233 billion

China's defense spending will balloon to $233 billion in 2020, up from $123 billion in 2010, according to a new report by IHS Jane's.

Regional power India is also on a spending spree. This year, $4 billion in additional defense funding pushed it ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia to rank among the top five global spenders for the first time.

...


https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1862471 · Report as offensive
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1862473 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 12:23:53 UTC - in response to Message 1862471.  
Last modified: 20 Apr 2017, 12:26:15 UTC

[quote]The USA is entrenched in a Dogma of "War for Profit".
The Military Industrial Complex reaps the profits from global instability.
While US companies profit from global conflict, those profits come directly from tax payers.
Countries like China realize that excessive defense spending is wasted money, and wasted opportunity.
This is why tRump will never "Make America Great Again", as long as America wastes tax payers money
on making weapons manufacturers rich, while creating conflicts that justify it's insane weapons spending.

Oh? Is that why China's military spending is set to double this decade (2010-2020)?
http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/12/news/china-military-defense-defence-spending/
[quote]China's defense spending to double to $233 billion
China's defense spending will balloon to $233 billion in 2020, up from $123 billion in 2010, according to a new report by IHS Jane's.
Regional power India is also on a spending spree. This year, $4 billion in additional defense funding pushed it ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia to rank among the top five global spenders for the first time.

According to SIPRI, China's defense spending is already $215 billion in 2016,
So by 2020 China's military expenditure will be about 2% of GDP.
Same as the requirement to be a NATO member.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
ID: 1862473 · Report as offensive
pierre castro
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 Feb 17
Posts: 86
Credit: 107,398
RAC: 0
Cuba
Message 1862474 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 12:27:16 UTC - in response to Message 1862471.  

Oh? Is that why China's military spending is set to double this decade (2010-2020)?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/12/news/china-military-defense-defence-spending/

China's defense spending to double to $233 billion

Do you have a point to make?
Thankfully, under Obama the USA defense spending has gone down.
It's still 4 times the spending of China, and that's not counting veterans benefits.
You do notice that China doesn't engage in actual wars don't you?
ID: 1862474 · Report as offensive
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2892
Credit: 1,499,890
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1862477 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 12:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 1862474.  
Last modified: 20 Apr 2017, 12:50:25 UTC


You do notice that China doesn't engage in actual wars don't you?


Oh? Mali Civil War, 2012-present... China was involved in THAT one.

Not to mention that China is the third largest exporter of military arms in the World...

Not to mention the occasional border incidents between China and Russia...

Not to mention the deployment of Chinese ICBMs along its border with Russia...

Not to mention China's island-building where they are giving the finger to the rest of the world daring the rest of the world (specifically the USA) to attack them...

Dude.... China ain't exactly... peaceful. They do a LOT of saber-rattling... as does both the USA and Russia.

Edit... almost forgot... The Chinese occupation of Tibet.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1862477 · Report as offensive
pierre castro
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 Feb 17
Posts: 86
Credit: 107,398
RAC: 0
Cuba
Message 1862480 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 12:56:00 UTC - in response to Message 1862477.  

You forgot to mention that China is a Communist State,
with a GDP equal to that of the USA, and thus
SUPER EVIL, with global domination as their Ultimate Goal.

Thank God Capitalism will Save US.

LOL.
ID: 1862480 · Report as offensive
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2892
Credit: 1,499,890
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1862489 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 13:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 1862480.  

You forgot to mention that China is a Communist State,
with a GDP equal to that of the USA, and thus
SUPER EVIL, with global domination as their Ultimate Goal.

Thank God Capitalism will Save US.

LOL.


Heh... back to the old anti-capitalism drivel... give it up, man...

The reason for the high Chinese economic growth over the last decade or two is the capitalist reforms the Chinese Government has made in their economic system.

(Cuba is also doing the same, but at a slower pace).

Remember, the USA does not use a pure-capitalist economic system, but a mixed economic system. So does China nowadays... And even Cuba is going that way.

And more on Chinese defense spending..

Yes, the USA (#1) does spend the most, and about 3x as much as China (#2)...

But China (#2) spends more than Saudi Arabia (#3), Russia (#4), and the United Kingdom (#5)... COMBINED. (SIPRI 2015 data).


https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1862489 · Report as offensive
pierre castro
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 Feb 17
Posts: 86
Credit: 107,398
RAC: 0
Cuba
Message 1862492 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 14:13:56 UTC - in response to Message 1862489.  

You do know what LOL means right?

You talk a lot, but never seem to have point.

And for the record, I'm not from Cuba, but wish I'd lived there.
It's a nice place.
ID: 1862492 · Report as offensive
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2892
Credit: 1,499,890
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1862512 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 16:02:59 UTC - in response to Message 1862496.  

Since my point was made. BACK TO SUBJECT...

Was Trump's dropping of a MOAB a 'one off'.

Or does this mean an American Escalation of the Afghanistan mess. That Bush Jr. and the Nutty Neo-Cons gave us?


IMO, most likely a one-off. We don't exactly have all that many MOABs, and they have limited circumstances in which they are very useful (and the people Trump targeted with it will likely not base themselves in a location where MOABs will be useful against them, at least not without causing rather extreme collateral damage...

I think that Trump, with his cruise missile attack on Syria and his MOAB strike against caves in Afghanistan was just waving his "manhood" around in an attempt to get those groups' (or Group's) attention and to take him seriously.

Yeah, imo, both were likely a 'one-off'.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1862512 · Report as offensive
Darth Beaver Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Aug 99
Posts: 6728
Credit: 21,443,075
RAC: 3
Australia
Message 1862574 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 0:44:12 UTC - in response to Message 1862489.  

Umm kong that graph is wrong Australia is spending 2.1% now . That was the case 4 years ago back in 2013 but since the Liberal Party have been in power it's now above 2%.

Comparing China's spending on military and what the U.S spends is a bit of a joke mate . I would worry when china starts to spend 1/2 what you lot are then I would say they are going to far and have
thoughts of taking over the world . Witch China has never wished to do in all there history of over 3000 years . Hence the great wall to keep us all out of there country .

You could understand why people are thinking the U.S is the problem if your going to talk who's spending what and why .After all how much are you spending again ? and why is that again ???

Rremember China's economy is now as large or even larger than yours now days and they are not spending up like you lot are on defence and they could seeing how big the economy is there .
ID: 1862574 · Report as offensive
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2892
Credit: 1,499,890
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1862582 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 2:00:25 UTC - in response to Message 1862574.  

Umm kong that graph is wrong Australia is spending 2.1% now . That was the case 4 years ago back in 2013 but since the Liberal Party have been in power it's now above 2%.

Comparing China's spending on military and what the U.S spends is a bit of a joke mate . I would worry when china starts to spend 1/2 what you lot are then I would say they are going to far and have
thoughts of taking over the world . Witch China has never wished to do in all there history of over 3000 years . Hence the great wall to keep us all out of there country .

You could understand why people are thinking the U.S is the problem if your going to talk who's spending what and why .After all how much are you spending again ? and why is that again ???

Rremember China's economy is now as large or even larger than yours now days and they are not spending up like you lot are on defence and they could seeing how big the economy is there .


Glenn,

Uhh... China does not have to spend like we do. Remember, their Government is still somewhat centrally planned, even WITH all of their capitalist reforms. The military pretty much controls much of the industry that produces their military equipment.

Here, cost overruns are a fact of life in the defense industry.

There, you risk getting shot if they happen.

Yes, a lot of our military spending is highly wasteful. China's isn't.

Be afraid.

TL;DR version.

Glenn, they get a LOT more bang for their buck than we do.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1862582 · Report as offensive
Profile betreger Project Donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 99
Posts: 11362
Credit: 29,581,041
RAC: 66
United States
Message 1862585 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 2:09:47 UTC - in response to Message 1862582.  

Yes, a lot of our military spending is highly wasteful. China's isn't.

Why is that?
ID: 1862585 · Report as offensive
Profile KWSN - MajorKong
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 5 Jan 00
Posts: 2892
Credit: 1,499,890
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1862590 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 2:32:14 UTC - in response to Message 1862585.  

Yes, a lot of our military spending is highly wasteful. China's isn't.

Why is that?


Same reason why throwing Government money into health care (medicare, medicaid, etc.) has turned health care in the USA into a cesspool of waste...

No incentive to control costs. The Government will pay, so let us all drive up the price as high as we can...

Bahhh.
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.
ID: 1862590 · Report as offensive
pierre castro
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 18 Feb 17
Posts: 86
Credit: 107,398
RAC: 0
Cuba
Message 1862594 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 3:09:26 UTC - in response to Message 1862590.  

Yes, a lot of our military spending is highly wasteful. China's isn't.
Why is that?
Same reason why throwing Government money into health care (medicare, medicaid, etc.) has turned health care in the USA into a cesspool of waste...
No incentive to control costs. The Government will pay, so let us all drive up the price as high as we can...

The real problem isn't that government pays, but rather that both the Military Industrial Complex, and the Medical Provider Network are based on a "For Profit" model.
Socialism does have it's place. Defense, Healthcare. and Education should not be run on a "For Profit" basis.
As you say, in China Defense spending is rational and efficient, in many countries Healthcare and Education are exceptional and free.
In the USA almost everything, even your elections, can be bought, with no controls on cost or quality.
ID: 1862594 · Report as offensive
Profile Wiggo
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 24 Jan 00
Posts: 34950
Credit: 261,360,520
RAC: 489
Australia
Message 1862639 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 6:13:08 UTC


their Government is still somewhat centrally planned

Now what is wrong with that M.K.?

Over here a lot of us want to get rid of state governments as they're a level of government (and red-tape) that we as a country can't afford for much longer.

But then again we also have many levels of fail safes against corruption in government where as your type of government just encourages it.

Cheers.
ID: 1862639 · Report as offensive
Profile janneseti
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 14 Oct 09
Posts: 14106
Credit: 655,366
RAC: 0
Sweden
Message 1862643 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 6:53:40 UTC

For some reason I think Trump is still in the locker room.
"Hey, I have a bigger one than you have"
ID: 1862643 · Report as offensive
Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

Message boards : Politics : US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.