https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland

To be honest bobby I'm sure that this story has been around for a few years, and doesn't really need
to be regurgitated in the same way Sirius regurgitates stuff.

When a similar mass grave was found in California, everyone was (rightly) up in arms about it. Why can't we talk about it happening elsewhere?

TB (tuberculosis) clinics (aka sanatoriums) and similar in the US have yielded similar mass graves that were found long after the fact, never having been reported previously.

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#resist

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland

To be honest bobby I'm sure that this story has been around for a few years, and doesn't really need
to be regurgitated in the same way Sirius regurgitates stuff.

Yep, regurgitated that one some time ago :-)

The worst marriage in history.

Church+State

When a similar mass grave was found in California, everyone was (rightly) up in arms about it. Why can't we talk about it happening elsewhere?

Well OzzFan I wasn't objecting to the subject matter but rather to the way the subject was presented.
A more apt Title could have been " Catholic's shame", of which there are many.

When a similar mass grave was found in California, everyone was (rightly) up in arms about it. Why can't we talk about it happening elsewhere?

Well OzzFan I wasn't objecting to the subject matter but rather to the way the subject was presented.
A more apt Title could have been " Catholic's shame", of which there are many.

As includes 'Marxist Shame' and other Secular Shames.

Nothing different.

Regardless of what type of shame & arguing over, a more apt response should have been "actions speak louder than words".

However as seen over the years, the actions doesn't seem to change much for the better. What is seen is too many "words" instead.

The worst marriage in history.

Church+State

+1. That's where my mind went when reading this story. It was the collusion of the two entities that produced the result.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Secular Theology (Ideology) becoming The State. The same Evil.
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100% agree. Just ask the Over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved over the past 100 years, by Non Religious States.

Secular/non-religious states are capital-E Evil? I hope you don't include your own... yes, the United States of America is a secular state. So is Canada. So are the vast majority of countries. Some exceptions: an east-west swath of north Africa and the middle east in which the official state religion is Islam, and Great Britain, you know... that country yours declared independence from? And of course, Ireland.

Some criteria for the U.S. being secular: it has no official state religion, it has constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religious worship and expression, its constitution's only references to religion are exclusionary: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" / "there shall be no religious test for public office."

I think that you may be conflating officially atheistic states (ie the U.S.S.R.) where religion is/was actively suppressed and there is/was no religious liberty, with officially secular states where the government is (at least supposed to be) religiously neutral, neither advancing nor impeding, and with religious liberty guaranteed for all. It is a common enough error, but you are the first self-identified atheist I have known to do so...

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And "conflate" translates into?

Just ask the Over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved over the past 100 years, by Non Religious States.

That's a lot of people & you have mentioned that several times already. Care to provide a breakdown?

In that same time period, the following by religious states:
WW1 - 17 million
WW2 = 60 million
Korea - 3.5 million
Vietnam - 3 million

Iraq & Afghanistan not added as the estimates keep changing.

100% agree. Just ask the Over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved over the past 100 years, by Non Religious States.

Are there any Non Religious States?
Perhaps Sweden.
After about 1000 years after Jesus birth, Sweden became a Christian country, and after another 1000 years - the millennium 1999/2000 - parted Swedish church from the Swedish state.
But I think Sweden is still a religious state with cristian values clashing with islamic values.

Secular Theology (Ideology) becoming The State. The same Evil.
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100% agree. Just ask the Over 1 Billion People Murdered and Enslaved over the past 100 years, by Non Religious States.


Secular/non-religious states are capital-E Evil? I hope you don't include your own... yes, the United States of America is a secular state. So is Canada. So are the vast majority of countries. Some exceptions: an east-west swath of north Africa and the middle east in which the official state religion is Islam, and Great Britain, you know... that country yours declared independence from? And of course, Ireland.

Some criteria for the U.S. being secular: it has no official state religion, it has constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religious worship and expression, its constitution's only references to religion are exclusionary: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" / "there shall be no religious test for public office."

I think that you may be conflating officially atheistic states (ie the U.S.S.R.) where religion is/was actively suppressed and there is/was no religious liberty, with officially secular states where the government is (at least supposed to be) religiously neutral, neither advancing nor impeding, and with religious liberty guaranteed for all. It is a common enough error, but you are the first self-identified atheist I have known to do so...

I think Mr kevvy is 1/2 right at least about Russia China and Nth Korea but the other so call secular states aren't really secular even if we tell our self's they are .

Queen of England is head of state and head of the Church of England so not really truly secular
American has "In god we trust " in big letter behind the speaker chair and well I think every one knows the Bible belt has a lot of influence
Australia is sposed to be secular but is currently run by Jews and Catholics who fill the ranks of the Liberal Party here and why we can't get same sex marriage passed even thou we don't need a referendum to do it , only a change to the marriage act witch can be done without any vote by the population
so even we are not really secular . If you have to swear a oath and place your hand on a Bible then you don't really live in a secular state but we will continue to lie to our self's about it :)

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I think Mr kevvy is 1/2 right at least about Russia China and Nth Korea but the other so call secular states aren't really secular even if we tell our self's they are .

Queen of England is head of state and head of the Church of England so not really truly secular

Quite, the UK has an official religion, CoE, and there are the Lords Spiritual, that have seats in the House of Lords by virtue or their position in various Churches.

American has "In god we trust " in big letter behind the speaker chair and well I think every one knows the Bible belt has a lot of influence

Heh, it's time for that hang over from McCarthy to be dropped. Of course the House R's prefer to keep it, especially those that see reds everywhere.

Australia is sposed to be secular but is currently run by Jews and Catholics who fill the ranks of the Liberal Party here and why we can't get same sex marriage passed even thou we don't need a referendum to do it , only a change to the marriage act witch can be done without any vote by the population
so even we are not really secular . If you have to swear a oath and place your hand on a Bible then you don't really live in a secular state but we will continue to lie to our self's about it :)

Isn't the UK's HoS still Australia's HoS?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I think Mr kevvy is 1/2 right at least about Russia China and Nth Korea but the other so call secular states aren't really secular even if we tell our self's they are .

Queen of England is head of state and head of the Church of England so not really truly secular
American has "In god we trust " in big letter behind the speaker chair and well I think every one knows the Bible belt has a lot of influence

if you re-read my post, I was pretty clear that Great Britain (including England) is not secular. It has an official state church as you noted, which even has seats in parliament (I see Bobby already also noted this.) Religious Americans should relish their secularity, as an official state religion in Britain has caused Christianity to decline to 42% of the population... fully half now identify as non-religious/atheist/agnostic, whereas in the U.S. about 90% identify as religious. This is simple human nature... people tend to dislike being told what to think/believe (isn't this supposed to be a "conservative" tenet as well?)


As far as IGWT and the "under God" in the Pledge, SCOTUS has ruled that this is "ceremonial deism" (where's the balancing ceremonial adeism, hmm?) So this would be the "official religion" of the U.S.... it has no worshippers, no buildings, no holy book, no holidays, and consists merely of putting the word "God" in places it wasn't. Not much of a religion I would conclude,

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If you have to swear a oath and place your hand on a Bible then you don't really live in a secular state but we will continue to lie to our self's about it :)

Some politicians swear on the Constitution. The bible is not a requirement, it is a choice.
http://lbpost.com/news/politics/2000004013-op-ed-praise-be-to-politicians-who-swear-on-the-constitution-not-the-bible

Oath of office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office

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Isn't the UK's HoS still Australia's HoS?

officially yes the Queen is head of state but we are independent . It only comes into play if the Governor has to sack the current mob in office and call new elections then he has to ask the Queen if it's ok but it's only really a formality . That's why some are calling for us to become a Republic . Personally the system works so why try and fix it if it works just so we can say we have our own head of state so I would vote no to a republic to many republics have ended up with a Dictator ...ergo : Trumpy :)

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If you have to swear a oath and place your hand on a Bible then you don't really live in a secular state but we will continue to lie to our self's about it :)

Some politicians swear on the Constitution. The bible is not a requirement, it is a choice.
http://lbpost.com/news/politics/2000004013-op-ed-praise-be-to-politicians-who-swear-on-the-constitution-not-the-bible

Oath of office
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office

I think here it's the Bible but then we are still a bunch of convicts doing what we are told hehehehehe

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Isn't the UK's HoS still Australia's HoS?

officially yes the Queen is head of state but we are independent . It only comes into play if the Governor has to sack the current mob in office and call new elections then he has to ask the Queen if it's ok but it's only really a formality . That's why some are calling for us to become a Republic . Personally the system works so why try and fix it if it works just so we can say we have our own head of state so I would vote no to a republic to many republics have ended up with a Dictator ...ergo : Trumpy :)

Glenn. Didn't you read this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#Australia
A formality yes but why include God and religion in governments.
Government and religion should be seperated so help me God:)