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w1hue Send message Joined: 4 Aug 00 Posts: 69 Credit: 5,492,898 RAC: 7 |
I don't see any "settings" to turn off the green bar. And the "site search" is pretty useless -- same as before. ______________________________________________________________ "It is my belief we developed language because of our deep inner need to complain" -- Lily Tomlin |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Change = good. Change for change's sake = bad. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 35067 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
OMG! We've been hit now with a deformed font. :-( |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
With all the changes being made, surprised that one change that would greatly improve the forums has not been made... ... username <50. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Well, I see a few issues I raised earlier today have been fixed.....at least for now. The current font is now quite readable against the slate background. It would appear that quoted text is now displaying in a normal size....although the quote marker bars to the left are barely visible. A step in the right direction. And multiple open tabs are now displaying the beginning of the name of the page they have open. Much more convenient! Thank you for those improvements! Hope they remain, or at least are further tweaked in a manner that does not break them again. Now, that would leave from my original list...... 1. The reason that the way my sig displays has changed. 2. The navigation headings on the home page not responding to a mouse over. And 3. Whatever is causing some posts to not text wrap correctly whist others do. I have yet to identify why one post with long sentences wraps and other posts have long sentences that run off the right side of the page. It could be the manner in which they are composed. Maybe the ones that appear to be wrapping are done by using a return to start a new line and are not really wrapping at all. At least it would appear that somebody is reading here and making an attempt at resolving some issues. Thank you again. Meow. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14655 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Another glitch for the buglist. Some of the tabular data tables have mis-aligned column headers. It's most noticeable on
but that's not an exhaustive list. |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
This might be worth a read: The Dos and Don’ts of Dark Web Design Several things that struck me in that article include: With a dark design comes less readability, less appeal for most readers and less opportunity for conventional design elements. FWIW, I'm solidly in that 47%. Also, most of the dark page examples shown are ones that are image-heavy, not text-heavy, like S@H. And then there's: Offer a Style Switcher Just sayin'....... |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14655 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Interesting, Jeff. It chimes with something I posted at BOINC today, which led to me to ponder the difference between website development and website design. Many of the terms in that document are familiar to me from an early exposure to typography and hot-metal typesetting, but may be less familiar to those who approach websites from a development, coding, perspective. For example:
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kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
A recent poll suggests that light designs are preferred by the general web-going audience by a whopping 47% Actually, I am finding, now that the font is nice and bright, the dark background is rather good on the eyes. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
I read that as 53% don't, or aren't bothered. Well, that breakdown is actually: ...10% of those surveyed said that they always preferred dark backgrounds for websites, while another 36% said that the best choice would depend on the type of website. Apparently only 7% just flat out didn't care. So, I guess it depends on what the "it depends" group's criteria is, which is unknown. My guess is that dark backgrounds are likely to be more acceptable on graphics-intensive sites than text-intensive ones. The article also states: Generally speaking, dark works best for creative or elegant designs. For modern sleek websites, dark backgrounds add elegance. Somehow, I don't see this site as needing much of either creativity or elegance. It's a site for presenting basic information in a textual format, not for dazzling visuals. "Readability" should be far and away the most compelling focus of any design decisions here. |
Shaggie76 Send message Joined: 9 Oct 09 Posts: 282 Credit: 271,858,118 RAC: 196 |
A recent poll suggests that light designs are preferred by the general web-going audience by a whopping 47%. The main reason is readability. Most people don’t like viewing light text against a dark background on websites because it strains their eyes, making for a much less enjoyable experience. I'm with you there -- I find the dark theme harder on my eyes and would very much appreciate an option for a more traditional coloring scheme. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
And I think I 'may' have a small clue as to the text wrapping problem to offer. I think this 'may' be related to the thread stretching problem we used to have with the old format, which was fixed. I believe it used to happen with oversized picture posts that would stretch the entire thread. Notice the blue bar at the top of each thread in this current format. In threads where there are no non-wrapping posts, that blue bar stays within the screen, at the same width as it is over the forum thread index. Now, when there posts running off of the right of the screen, that blue bar does also. So, I think what we may actually have here is a thread stretching problem......that blue bar should never change in width and should remain the same at all times. It should not change the page width. That blue bar should be the page format, a constant, and long sentences should be wrapped to conform to it, not stretch it. This is just a theory, but the first thing I have been able to tie together with posts that do not wrap. Meow? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14655 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
It probably also depends a lot on the quality of the monitor they own, and the ambient lighting in the room they're using it in.A recent poll suggests that light designs are preferred by the general web-going audience by a whopping 47%. The main reason is readability. Most people don’t like viewing light text against a dark background on websites because it strains their eyes, making for a much less enjoyable experience.I'm with you there -- I find the dark theme harder on my eyes and would very much appreciate an option for a more traditional coloring scheme. |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
It probably also depends a lot on the quality of the monitor they own, and the ambient lighting in the room they're using it in. Even time-of-day can factor into it. I run an app called f.lux here on my daily driver. It adjusts the brightness and softens some of the colors after sunset by making "... the color of your computer's display adapt to the time of day, warm at night and like sunlight during the day. " I've been using it for about a year and find it really makes things easier on the old eyes in the evening. Also, my observations here are solely directed at how difficult it is to read text on this new "dark web", compared to the old schema. I'm not personally a fan of stark white backgrounds, either. If I had my druthers, the background for black text would be a pale blue ($00FFF3D4), which is what I have my local window background set to. I've been using a similar shade for about 25 years, ever since my first experience with Windows 3.0 (which was a bit of a shock after many, many years of staring at 3270/3278 CRT screens). Unfortunately, that window background color doesn't apply to web pages. Take a look at some screenshots from PSPad that I posted about a month ago to see what my own personal preference looks like. However, I wouldn't presume to impose that on a mass audience without achieving some sort of consensus first. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14655 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
And seasonal changes come into play, too. I wonder if it's coincidental that we're discussing a new, darker theme during the Northern hemisphere winter - long evenings with just low-energy artificial light for competition and comparison? And like you, I have personal environmental issues to consider: my house is like a mini-stonehenge, where for a few weeks each year (either side of, but not including, the winter solstice), the rising sun finds its way through the lounge window and the open-plan kitchen to fall directly on the monitor. Half an hour extra for coffee in the mornings, before I can see what's going on - whatever the colour scheme. There's no way that should be allowed to influence the design choice here, of course, but it may go some way towards explaining why you can never satisfy all the users, all the time. |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
quoting myself: Wow. Big change. OK. Ha! No wonder I'm OK with this new color scheme! I've been using it for years and didn't even notice 'till now. It's the "Planets" theme from Gmail :) |
Barney Send message Joined: 13 May 06 Posts: 9 Credit: 9,295,904 RAC: 4 |
The new background color makes me hunger for dark chocolate. |
Jeff Buck Send message Joined: 11 Feb 00 Posts: 1441 Credit: 148,764,870 RAC: 0 |
Unfortunately, that window background color doesn't apply to web pages Something was nagging at the back of my brain after I made that statement, and I finally figured out what it was. It's that Firefox actually does let you specify an option to "Use system colors", |
Lionel Send message Joined: 25 Mar 00 Posts: 680 Credit: 563,640,304 RAC: 597 |
Simply put, the new scheme looks awful. |
Alysson Bolognesi Prado Send message Joined: 10 Mar 00 Posts: 1 Credit: 11,223,255 RAC: 1 |
Too much dark. "Download" link is not so easy to find as I think it should be, to attract new users. |
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