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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
That is about 3 a DAY. As I have said, bobby... The Exact Rate of Convictions is not important. That they happen often enough to distress the Public is important. #2 states that 20,000 convictions over 20 years... That is about 3 a day (a bit less than that but close to 3). That is quite often enough to convince the public that it is a widespread problem (per #3) as also reported in #1. Clear? https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Yes, it is clear that your answer to the question posed is "None". The rest of your answer is "hand waving" to disguise that fact. Thanks. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Good grief! The survey is well explained. point one: Given more time and money, a larger sample than the 1,500 would be more meaningful especially with so many inter-related catagories. point two: I'm still worried about people who fear ghosts and zombies. They need special help. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Good grief! I guess there are three categories of perceived threat, actual, imagined, and imaginary. I've no idea how the third is addressed. But please, fear of zombies is valid (just as all fears are), just because the object feared is supernatural, does not reduce the perception of that fear, just ask anyone that subscribes to the notion of there being sulphur smelling demons walking amongst us. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Good grief! Supernatural i.e., "not of Nature" = suspending belief in reality = religiousity = an acceptance without proof or empirical evidence = FAITH Therefore I would postulate that fear of zombies, ghosts and sulphure smellings deamons are Faith Based Fears note: there is evidence that sulphure smelling deamons follow the dog around on occasion, but that is still just a theory. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Good grief! All true, though you omitted the word valid (or should that be VALID?). I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
bobby, What is the exact point you are trying to make? Is it: 1. The Government in the USA is not corrupt at all? 2. While there might be some small level of corruption in the Government in the USA, it is not enough to concern 3 out of 4 US Citizens? 3. You are attacking what I am saying because I am the one saying it? Which is it? I have produced 3 polls/studies that deal with the subject. I have stated that fear, being an emotion, is not Rational. I have also stated an explanation that is likely true of why 3/4th of the American people fear Government Corruption. (Media coverage of Government Corruption keeps it in the minds of the American people). What is your issue? https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Yep, reform your corrupt 2 party political system 1st, then fix that way outdated constitution to reflect the modern world 2nd, look for a better national anthem 3rd and then you people over there may get rid of your silly phobias. ;-) I wonder why the survey didn't have Modern Global Capitalism as an option of fear. Not even governments can or sometimes will regulate it. It's like having an open door to corruption. |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Yep, reform your corrupt 2 party political system 1st, then fix that way outdated constitution to reflect the modern world 2nd, look for a better national anthem 3rd and then you people over there may get rid of your silly phobias. ;-) That spot was taken by the more pressing Fear of Zombies. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
The issue is that your explanations are not supported by the evidence you provided. You appear to be conflating your evidence with your opinion. An instance of this issues is "The Exact Rate of Convictions is not important" which is not a fact, though is presented as one. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
The issue is that your explanations are not supported by the evidence you provided. You appear to be conflating your evidence with your opinion. An instance of this issues is "The Exact Rate of Convictions is not important" which is not a fact, though is presented as one. Well, it is not important to the subject.... fact. The subject being: "The #1 fear of The American People is Government Corruption". Fear is not Rational, but an emotion. One instance of Government Corruption is enough to plant the concept into the minds of the American People. <KWSN-MajorKong scowls at Tricky Dick> Yet, we frequently hear reports in the news of Government Corruption, at all levels, everything from a local police officer being 'on the take' all the way up. About 1000 Federal Convictions a year is enough to heat the pot until it boils over, don't you think? The exact rate of convictions for Government Corruption is not important to the existence of the irrational fear of Government Corruption. Understand? https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Yep, reform your corrupt 2 party political system 1st, then fix that way outdated constitution to reflect the modern world 2nd, look for a better national anthem 3rd and then you people over there may get rid of your silly phobias. ;-) Its effects are presented in the survey. 1. Not having enough money for the future: 39.9%. 2. Economic/Financial Collapse: 37.5%. 3. Becoming Unemployed: 24.6%. Likely several others. I will partially agree with you. The combination of Capitalism and Centralized Government's (ab)use of power in support of specific businesses at the expense of others is like having an open door to corruption. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
The exact rate of convictions for Government Corruption is not important to the existence of the irrational fear of Government Corruption. Given that about 10% of those surveyed had a fear of zombies, I suspect this formulation, that the fear will continue to exist in some sections even if the threat were eliminated, is likely correct (even if not substantiated by any survey data). As you note, fear is not rational, nor is happiness, and it is quite possible that a majority of Americans are both happy with the current levels of government corruption, and fearful of it. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Yep, reform your corrupt 2 party political system 1st, then fix that way outdated constitution to reflect the modern world 2nd, look for a better national anthem 3rd and then you people over there may get rid of your silly phobias. ;-) On the other hand, zombies, ghosts, aliens are reasonably widespread features of popular culture, so the survey may be attempting to measure these (to some) unrealistic threats. Another feature of popular culture that may be a little more grounded is government surveillance. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Another feature of popular culture that may be a little more grounded is government surveillance. Yes. Should we be afraid to being surveilled by a government? We have always been but now with new technology we are even more surveilled. "If you don't do something wrong, why worry?" That's the excuse we usually hear. Well. Trying to console myself with this quote. “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself†|
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Another feature of popular culture that may be a little more grounded is government surveillance. The fear is some nimwit will think you have done something wrong and you haven't. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30701 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The fear is some nimwit will think you have done something wrong and you haven't. At every level from the top down to the bottom. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19114 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Did that list include the fear of Trump winning, with people saying they are looking to head North. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Trump winning? But that is what I think most americans fear the most. According to polls that is. |
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