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JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
The Commission on Presidential Debates, a private organization controlled by the Democratic and Republican Parties, relied on rigged polls in its decision to exclude Libertarian Gov. Gary Johnson from the second presidential debate, being held on October 9. This comes in spite of the fact that polls consistently show he draws broad support from independents, military personnel, and millennials. By excluding the candidate most popular with independent voters, young voters, and military voters, the CPD is silencing their voices in the political process and showing that they have no interest in educating and informing the electorate. Johnson is ahead of Trump among millennials and ahead of Clinton among military personnel. To justify excluding Johnson, the decision-makers at the CPD — Janet Brown, Frank Fahrenkopf, and Mike McCurry — relied on five fraudulent polls that showed Johnson falling short of their required 15-percent average. The CPD claims selection of the polls was based on their “soundness of the survey methodology.†Each of the five polls contains at least one serious flaw. For example: They start with a survey question asking whether survey respondents would vote for Republican Donald Trump or Democrat Hillary Clinton. They include numerous questions about Trump and Clinton, and only one that mentions Johnson. They ask outright whether respondents believe Trump or Clinton will win the election. All of these methodologies send the false message: “Only the Democrat and the Republican are really in this race.†It is highly probable that, had the CPD used sound polls, as their own criteria require, Johnson would be polling well over 15 percent, and they’d have no excuse to exclude him from the debates. But clearly, fairness is not their intent. Maintaining their two-party duopoly is. The CPD calls itself a ‘nonprofit’ organization, but big money is at the heart of what drives the two old parties, which control the CPD and which are bought and sold by special interests. No wonder they want to keep out Johnson, whose two terms as governor of New Mexico proved he’s as impervious to special-interest peddling as a candidate can be. The Libertarian, Republican, and Democratic presidential tickets are the only ones on the ballot in all 50 states, plus the District of Columbia, this November. Doesn't it make sense to have a debate reflecting that? |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Sad that this subject among hundreds of other important issues is ignored. I assume then, that the debate commission is doing the job that Americans want it to do. I can also assume that there is little or no interest in talking about actual issues. BUT... There seems to be plenty of interest in rants and irrational name calling. Plenty of activity aroiund who is more of a criminal. Great to see so much involvement in proving which candidate is less moral. I can understand how that is easier than talking about actual issues and important changes that could be made to improve all our lives. SO... I'm starting to understand again why nothing will change. It is painful to be reminded that so much potential is, by choice, utterly wasted by the voters. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
SO... It takes time for the really important issues to work its way down. A perfect example was the series of "Europe" threads. Some great debates & comments until some points went against the grain of some individuals thought processes. In the end, what was being said actually came to pass. Whether or not that change will work out well enough, only time will tell. The problem is that from top to bottom, there are many (due to self-interest maybe?) that want the status quo to stay as it is. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I assume then, that the debate commission is doing the job that Americans want it to do. It hasn't yet proposed an MMA style event, so no. Two candidate enter ... one candidate leave. Unfortunately for the partisans, that is all the election is. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
I assume then, that the debate commission is doing the job that Americans want it to do. Ohhh... A steel-cage match... Sweet! It would certainly beat the snot out of the wretched shizz that passes for campaigns nowadays. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Wonder what the answers will be? I hope there will be questions that make each of these candidates explain their own positions on important issues. Unless these town meeting style debates are packed with people who don't represent the interest of the public, but are instead "plants" from the political parties, it will be easy for the rest of us to see which issues they are ignoring. That really turns people off. I think most people really do want answers and not just another juvinile, name calling, iterruption contest. It's also an easier venue to see which candidate is more prone to lie... if the audience isn't packed by partisians working for the parties. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Our choice is between liars, all politicians lie, and and a self confessed deplorable. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Best line so far.... Trump mentions Clinton's email stuff answering a question... Clinton (response): " ... we don't want HIM in charge of law enforcement in this country!" Trump (brief quip): "Yeah... YOU would be in jail!" Audience applauds. LOL. Second best line: Clinton: (paraphrase) You are a racist, Trump! You said that Obama was not born in this country! You owe him an apology! Trump: No, Hillary. YOU owe him the apology! (paraphrase) It was YOUR campaign that came up with that one during your 2008 campaign against him! Audience applauds and snickers... LOL. I have said it here before, and will say it again. Political theater at its finest! https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
yeah, I'm not learning much. It is theater, but maybe not theater at it's best. I would rather have some teeth cleaning done. Clinton's snarky responses and half truths are cringeworthy. Trumps simplistic repetition of poorly worded phrases are, at very least, boring. Anderson Cooper is not paying attention and seems to have an agenda. (big suprise) |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Anderson Cooper is not paying attention and seems to have an agenda. (big suprise) I feel the same way. I don't think any of the moderators have shown neutrality. I'd like to see Walter Cronkite and Roger Mudd in the moderator chairs. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
I think Kermit the frog should be the moderator. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I think Kermit the frog should be the moderator. He'd be good, too. :~) The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
yeah, I'm not learning much. No problem not letting the popcorn burn on this one. Personally I'm disappointed. But we kinda knew that though. Har! ... ... |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
I think Kermit the frog should be the moderator. +1 ... |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Anderson Cooper is not paying attention and seems to have an agenda. (big suprise) Truely, the 10 minutes (all I could stomach) I saw, Cooper kept shutting Trump down and letting Clinton go on and on and on... To your list, I would like to add Dan Rather and the late David Brinkley... Heck even Marvin Zindler could do a better job, IMO. Marvin Harold Zindler (August 10, 1921 – July 29, 2007) was a news reporter for television station KTRK-TV in Houston, Texas, United States. His investigative journalism, through which he mostly represented the city's elderly and working class, made him one of the city's most influential and well-known media personalities. Marvin Zindler wrote: Marvin Zindler! Eyewitness News! https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Giants' defense is not looking too good. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Anderson Cooper is not paying attention and seems to have an agenda. (big suprise) That name, Marvin Harold Zindler, does sound familiar to me, for some reason. I think the problem is what I said in another thread about entertainment industries owning news companies nowadays. News reporting is just not the same anymore. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
Arrrrrr, the game is tied 6 to 6 in the eighth inning! edit: Toronto over the "Them the South!" re-edit: Thank God I was able to catch the ending. Just think being the umpire having to announce to a whole stadium of crazy Toronto ball fans that they did not win the game? |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
Trump did not completely blow it like I thought he would. Clinton was able to answer a few questions and sidestep most. As a debate, er, uhm, whatever it was, I thought it was a slight win to Trump. None of this will change anybody's mind. The Republicans are satisfied and happy. The Democrates are smugly gleeful as usual. The Libertarians are sad about the country going down the drain. |
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