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Message 1811449 - Posted: 22 Aug 2016, 17:47:42 UTC

Is she? I've seen some evidence for it, but several websites available I did not check as they appear spurious. Es and Ozz indicated they were aware of Stein's anti- or pseudo-science bent, so could they or others provide more background?
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Message 1811578 - Posted: 22 Aug 2016, 23:14:54 UTC - in response to Message 1811449.  

Is she? I've seen some evidence for it, but several websites available I did not check as they appear spurious. Es and Ozz indicated they were aware of Stein's anti- or pseudo-science bent, so could they or others provide more background?

Is CNN spurious?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1811618 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 0:48:27 UTC

From what I've seen, there is virtually no mainstream coverage of candidates like Jill Stein. I'd like to see a debate or at least a discussion with her and Gary Johnson.
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Message 1811622 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 1:01:00 UTC - in response to Message 1811578.  

Is she? I've seen some evidence for it, but several websites available I did not check as they appear spurious. Es and Ozz indicated they were aware of Stein's anti- or pseudo-science bent, so could they or others provide more background?

Is CNN spurious?



Thanks, Bobby. Unfortunately most every time I turn on the tv news or look at the internet headlines, it's Trump, trump, trump, with some Hillary sauce.
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Message 1811629 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 1:08:46 UTC
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After reading the Cnn report about jil stein well she has not said anything I haven't said here at seti and she is right .

Maybe you should get behind her and support her she seems to be a real thinker and knows what she is talking about .

ergo : watch "Food INC" and "SICKO" as for electromagnetic waves mmm why is there now this

https://cellsafe.com.au/make shore any new phone you buy has this tech
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Message 1811646 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 1:54:10 UTC - in response to Message 1811629.  
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After reading the Cnn report about jil stein well she has not said anything I haven't said here at seti and she is right .
Maybe you should get behind her and support her she seems to be a real thinker and knows what she is talking about .
ergo : watch "Food INC" and "SICKO" as for electromagnetic waves mmm why is there now this

Hmm.
Her standpoint on GMO food is very weird to me.
She called the notion that GMO's are needed to end world hunger a "myth."
Silly talking because it's not about hunger but from vitamin deficiency!
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/16/politics/jill-stein-vaccine-gmo-science/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice
The research that led to golden rice was conducted with the goal of helping children who suffer from vitamin A deficiency (VAD). In 2005, 190 million children and 19 million pregnant women, in 122 countries, were estimated to be affected by VAD.[22] VAD is responsible for 1–2 million deaths, 500,000 cases of irreversible blindness and millions of cases of xerophthalmia annually.[23] Children and pregnant women are at highest risk. Vitamin A is supplemented orally and by injection in areas where the diet is deficient in vitamin A.

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Message 1811654 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 2:25:22 UTC - in response to Message 1811646.  

Janne I think Stien thinks some are ok but others aren't and she is right some GMO's have been rushed and some are being used in the wrong way

ergo : Feeding cows GMO corn . Cows don't eat corn normally and it produces unwanted effects like listeria and there have been reports of cows going temporarily sterile while they are feed the GMO corn .

Also Montano has had accusations of bribing judges to give them patients at the Food and Drug Admin . These same patients have been rejected in other country's

Have you herd of the proposed skyscraper farms ??

It could solve the food shortages problem in the future as there will be more space to farm so you don't need to GMO crops to get better yields and we are only doing GMOing crops for better yields because of the so called lack of farming land .
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Message 1811661 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 2:38:39 UTC - in response to Message 1811629.  
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After reading the Cnn report about jil stein well she has not said anything I haven't said here at seti and she is right .

Maybe you should get behind her and support her she seems to be a real thinker and knows what she is talking about .

ergo : watch "Food INC" and "SICKO" as for electromagnetic waves mmm why is there now this

https://cellsafe.com.au/make shore any new phone you buy has this tech


Glenn, that 'cellsafe' stuff is pure horses**t.

The 'radiation' from a cellphone is the radio waves it transmits. Reduce that and it becomes useless, as it can't effectively communicate with the cellphone tower.

For what it is worth, there IS a possibility that long-term cellphone use can cause at least some level of tissue damage.

As to the 'why' behind the 'cellsafe' devices...

David W. Maurer in The Big Con (1940) wrote:

"There's a mark born every minute, and one to trim 'em and one to knock 'em."

Or... to put it another way...

There is no shortage of either victims, con men, or honest men to squeal on them.
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Message 1811679 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 2:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1811654.  
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Also Montano has had accusations of bribing judges to give them patients at the Food and Drug Admin . These same patients have been rejected in other country's

patients? assume you mean patent.

FDA does not grant patents. USPTO grants patents. So whoever told you is ignorant or was flat out lying. <ed>Judges are a separate branch of government in the USA and have nothing to do with the executive branch.
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Message 1811682 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 3:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 1811679.  

patients? assume you mean patent.


yes I did

watch "Food Inc" the Food and drug Admin has something to do with it , I think they give approval for the GMO to be safe and the judges seem to end up with jobs at Montano and seem to own lots of shears and have nice jobs that pay big money at Montano of cause that's after they have given the ok for the patent and retire off cause .
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Message 1811688 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 3:11:17 UTC
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The REAL problem with Monsanto appears to be that the seeds from their crops spread to nearby non-GMO fields and then they sue the farmers for growing their patented GMO crops. Perhaps that is a subject for another thread?
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Message 1811698 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 3:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1811654.  
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Janne I think Stien thinks some are ok but others aren't and she is right some GMO's have been rushed and some are being used in the wrong way

The problem is not with GMOs as such.
The documented risks of GMOs applies primarily to the way crops are grown, in huge monocultures and in a very toxic environmet. The crops have been engineered to be resistant to pesticides, which can therefore be used extensively.

skyscraper farms ??
There are no lack of farming land in Europe.
For instance the Netherlands (very small country) is the largest producer of vegetables in Northern Europe.
In Sweden we even get EU funds to keep farmlands "living" that was used for by farmers about 100 years ago because no one can afford to live like a farmer anymore.
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Message 1811783 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 9:06:52 UTC - in response to Message 1811698.  

skyscraper farms ??


There are plans to build large Skyscrapers where each floor will be used to grow crops a bit like hydroponics only a lot of the light will come from the windows and floors being clear . And they are planning them to be as big as the Twin towers .

Europe has lots of farming land yes but can you feed the whole world .....

Places like China India and many others don't have good farming land . Even Australia has lots of land that is no good to farm on due to salt or lack of water and deserts or even poor soil .
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Message 1811785 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 9:13:07 UTC

skyscraper farms ??


Bet that would be using hydroponics Sea Of Green method ;-) can't see it working any outher way
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Message 1811787 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 9:26:51 UTC - in response to Message 1811785.  

skyscraper farms ??


Bet that would be using hydroponics Sea Of Green method ;-) can't see it working any outher way


Still only on the drawing board weather they will actually build them who knows .
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Message 1811789 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 9:50:35 UTC - in response to Message 1811661.  

Glenn, that 'cellsafe' stuff is pure horses**t.

The 'radiation' from a cellphone is the radio waves it transmits. Reduce that and it becomes useless, as it can't effectively communicate with the cellphone tower.


Correct, good sir.

For what it is worth, there IS a possibility that long-term cellphone use can cause at least some level of tissue damage.


But this is where you end up wrong. The radiation from a cell phone is known as non-ionized, meaning they don't produce charged ions when passing through matter. Non-ionized radiation's only side-effect is that it causes excitation in molecules. That's a physicist's way of saying it heats up, so at most it only heats up your body as it passes through without causing damage.

Unless the laws of physics change drastically, there's no way even long-term use of cellphones cause any kind of damage.
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Message 1811791 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 9:56:52 UTC - in response to Message 1811787.  


Still only on the drawing board weather they will actually build them who knows .

Not so. There's a commercial operation in Singapore.

Wikipedia's page on vertical farming is instructive. However, not everyone agrees that the concept can work.

Food for thought? ;)
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Message 1811805 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 11:07:00 UTC - in response to Message 1811789.  
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Glenn, that 'cellsafe' stuff is pure horses**t.

The 'radiation' from a cellphone is the radio waves it transmits. Reduce that and it becomes useless, as it can't effectively communicate with the cellphone tower.


Correct, good sir.

For what it is worth, there IS a possibility that long-term cellphone use can cause at least some level of tissue damage.


But this is where you end up wrong. The radiation from a cell phone is known as non-ionized, meaning they don't produce charged ions when passing through matter. Non-ionized radiation's only side-effect is that it causes excitation in molecules. That's a physicist's way of saying it heats up, so at most it only heats up your body as it passes through without causing damage.

Unless the laws of physics change drastically, there's no way even long-term use of cellphones cause any kind of damage.


That is 'non-ionizing'... and, yes. It was the 'heat' that I was referring to.

But... EM radiation does NOT have to be 'ionizing' (upper portion of
UltraViolet and higher) to cause problems...

Cluster of testicular cancer in police officers exposed to hand-held radar.



Abstract

Within a cohort of 340 police officers, six incident cases of testicular cancer occurred between 1979 and 1991 (O/E 6.9; p < 0.001, Poisson distribution). Occupational use of hand-held radar was the only shared risk factor among all six officers, and all routinely held the radar gun directly in close proximity to their testicles. Health effects of occupational radar use have not been widely studied, and further research into a possible association with testicular cancer is warranted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8213849

Besides... ever hear of a microwave oven? Microwaves are non-ionizing, yet effectively heat up 'food'. I would definitely call that 'tissue damage' if it happens to living tissues. Ever had an RF burn from even lower frequencies (HF -- 3MHz to 30MHz)? I have.

Granted, the power levels transmitted by a cellphone are rather low, but still... cellphone junkies go around with them pressed to the side of their heads (therefore in the near-field area) a LOT. Give it a few decades, and you will likely start seeing at least some level of undesired effects.

Nope... NOT wrong.

Edit: Oh, here is another one...


Non-Thermal Electromagnetic Radiation Damage to Lens Epithelium

...

In summary, our study shows the damaging effects of high frequency microwave radiation on the intact lens and demonstrates that the optical damage can be recovered. However, the data suggest that more exposures to microwave can cause cumulative damage and can cause cataract.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2694600/
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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1811855 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 13:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 1811805.  

Cluster of testicular cancer in police officers exposed to hand-held radar.



Abstract

Within a cohort of 340 police officers, six incident cases of testicular cancer occurred between 1979 and 1991 (O/E 6.9; p < 0.001, Poisson distribution). Occupational use of hand-held radar was the only shared risk factor among all six officers, and all routinely held the radar gun directly in close proximity to their testicles. Health effects of occupational radar use have not been widely studied, and further research into a possible association with testicular cancer is warranted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8213849

Were they trying to measure the speed of their ....
The radiation comes out the feed horn end.
More likely there was some chemical in the plastic of the hand held unit.
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Message 1811869 - Posted: 23 Aug 2016, 14:41:26 UTC - in response to Message 1811791.  
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Still only on the drawing board weather they will actually build them who knows .

Not so. There's a commercial operation in Singapore.

Wikipedia's page on vertical farming is instructive. However, not everyone agrees that the concept can work.

Food for thought? ;)

Just wondering what the prizes for the products produced in Plantagons are...
In Linköping, Sweden February 9, 2012 the first Plantagon greenhouse broke ground. A new type of greenhouse for vertical farming; an international Centre of Excellence for Urban Agriculture; a demo-plant for Swedish clean-tech and a climate-smart way to use excess heating and CO2 from industries. The potential is tremendous and ambitions high for the new greenhouse being built in Linköping, Sweden, near the regional energy company, Tekniska Verken. Not least, it will be a new landmark for the people in Linköping to enjoy. Once the drafting stage is complete, construction of the greenhouse will take an estimated 12-16 months.

That poor countries where food is a scarce resource due to lack of water, not lack of land, would benefit from them seems unlikely.

http://www.plantagon.com/about/business-concept/the-linkoping-model/

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