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Message 1754000 - Posted: 5 Jan 2016, 0:51:19 UTC
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I have just finished watching the news and I see Barack Obama is using his Executive powers to force changes to some GUN laws.

Of all the comments , arguments and such I have herd about Gun Controls , 2nd Amendments right to bear arms , not trusting Governments and all the rest of the B/s

This I have to applaud . Is it not the job of a president to fix things and if the Peoples house will not fix it is it not his job to then step in .

"Overreach" or having big enough nuts to do his job.

If you allow people to sell GUNS with out having to be licenced to sell them and not having to do background checks to the people you sell said weapons to then you are giving criminals the way to make money and sell weapons to other criminals .

The N.R.A are the first to come out and criticize what a bunch of idiots they are .

It and the Republicans have no credibility here there either for the criminals or for upholding and preventing crime .

Good on You President Barack Obama one of the few times Executive powers are being used for the right and just reasons
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Message 1755287 - Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 9:31:49 UTC

Once again the U.S.A show how Dumb they are .

You have laws that say people must have a gun licence and background checks .

Yee that will stop the guns some say .

The N.R.A say that won't stop any thing and there right

Why ?

They know there are laws that say you don't need a Licence to sell guns and you don't need a background check

Why ?

You can go to a fair and buy one from a unlicence seller and he doesn't need to do any background checks .

Dumb and Dumber in action pass laws that would help but leave big loop holes to get around it .

What he wants to do has noting to do with him being a dictator otherwise you dumb stupid idiots he would be trying to use said orders to STAY IN POWER longer than your 2 terms allow .

Wasn't it J.W.Bush a republican that called off the election and he used what powers to do it ....mmmmm

But once again you Americans show just how much you are more like a mob of jakels than thinking humans you act more like a pack and not of your own fee will .

Oh everyone else believes it so I should , proof of this happened in the early 20th century when a unknown star gave a Radio broadcast oh yeh it was called War of the World , someone says some thing you all believe it here is another one NOT vaccinating your children and that was started by 1 Hollywood star and to think how many poor kids have died because of that .

Keep listening to the N.R.A and Donald Trump so the rest of the world can sit back and watch the show called America the Home of Dumb and Dumber
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Message 1755398 - Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 17:47:47 UTC - in response to Message 1755333.  
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You missed one very vital piece of information, The Treaty of Versailles and the reparations demanded, mainly by France. British economist John Maynard Keynes called the treaty a Carthaginian peace, one that would destroy Germany and its allies in WW1. Not helped of course by the Great Depression, which most analysts believe was either caused by Wall Street or wrong monetary policies by the US Fed.

Which it virtually did and was a leading cause of WW2.

After WW2 the Morgenthau Plan was proposed, which would have destroyed what was left of the German industry, but in the end sense was restored and the Marshall Plan was implimented.

Which enabled Germany to become a leading industrial nation again.
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Message 1755412 - Posted: 10 Jan 2016, 18:41:21 UTC - in response to Message 1755333.  
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Dumb is not learning from history.
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The German government subsidized municipalities, much as U.S. states are begging the federal government for bailouts now.
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-Bad economic policies and foreign policies can cause crises that have dangerous political consequences.

Let's look at this shall we.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/15/AR2009061503249.html
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
The Obama administration has turned back pleas for emergency aid from one of the biggest remaining threats to the economy -- the state of California.
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Problems unique to California have made it hard for the state to find a way out of its crisis.

The state entered the downturn burdened with an inflexible budgeting apparatus, constrained by a state ballot initiative approved by voters in 1978 that severely limited property taxes in California. The signature example of "ballot box budgeting" left the Golden State inordinately reliant on the personal income tax, which accounts for half of revenue to Sacramento.

California's budget is also heavily dependent on taxes paid on capital gains and stock options, which have been clobbered during the meltdown of financial markets. State budget analysts made their annual estimate of revenue a month before the crisis spiked in the fall and have been backpedaling ever since.
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By February, the shortfall was projected at $42 billion over two years. Lawmakers stared at the figure for weeks, stymied by the state constitution's requirement that the budget pass with two-thirds of the legislative vote and their own profound partisanship. The deadlock broke when a moderate Republican defied his caucus's pledge against any tax hike, but it didn't end there.

In April, budget analysts revised revenue projections downward by another $12 billion. And in May, voters overwhelmingly rejected the portions of the February deal that legally had to be put before them, taking $6 billion off the table.
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Most members of California's congressional delegation have also been ambivalent about whether to press for federal help.

So there is one state that asked for help, but never officially begged their congress persons to put a bill before Congress.

The reason for it is vitally important to understand, or we will repeat history. A extreme wave of Republicanism swept California in the late 60's and 70's and ex-Governor Reagan teamed up with his buddy Howard Jarvis to get Proposition 13 enacted. This measure is the entire fault of California's budget crises.

One has to understand that forcing a government to be funded off a single source is putting all your eggs in a single basket. But it is the typical thinking of tea party types. A key measure of this was the trickle down method of taxes. Capital gains and stock options are the funds of the rich, by taxing them they forced trickle down. But that river only flows in good times. [Now the business is leaving California because of this tea measure that targets them.] Also key to tea party thinking is another provision in this legislation, a requirement that to raise taxes super majorities of not only the legislature but also the people are required. Also putting in long delay periods to get all of these approvals done and the money required to tally the votes.

If one were to apply this tea party thinking to the Federal Government, it wouldn't be California that fails, but the United States of America that would have to beg money from the IMF like Greece!

Learn your lesson from history and reject tea flavored koolaid.
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Message 1755657 - Posted: 11 Jan 2016, 22:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 1755412.  

I,m glad to see there are some that understand Gary

Lets hope there are enough sane people to not vote for the republcans .

Bush caused all the problems we now see and Obama has fixed things 5 percent unemployment was acheived under Democrate policys Not Republican policys , getting Sadam was done under Democrate but 8years of REpublican , rule could not

What Obama has done is both rightous and honrable and those that object need to remember the dead children and shut up only Evil men could object to what he is doing
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Message 1755745 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 4:45:50 UTC - in response to Message 1755657.  

Darth... where to start... where to start...


I,m glad to see there are some that understand Gary

Lets hope there are enough sane people to not vote for the republcans .


Yes, and lets hope they don't vote Democrat either. Both parties are seriously goobered up.


Bush caused all the problems we now see and Obama has fixed things 5 percent unemployment was acheived under Democrate policys Not Republican policys ,


Yes, I do agree that the '5%' figure was achieved under Democrat policies, but it was with the active cooperation of the Republicans.

There are two components to 'drop' in unemployment figures:

1. Mass creation of low wage, part-time work.
2. A rather large number of people 'giving up' looking for work, thus dropping off the list.

The Republicans are happy... they get lots of cheap(er) labor.
The Democrats are happy... Lots more people they can snare into dependence on Federal social programs, thence locking those people into somewhat permanent voting for the Democrats.

What, you don't believe statement #2?

Data Source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

From Table B (Employment status of the civilian population by sex and age, seasonally adjusted), under total, we see that the participation rate has gone down from 62.7% in Dec. 2014 to 62.6% in Dec. 2015.

And about statement #1...

Data Source: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

From Table A-15, we see that:

Total unemployed, as a percent of the civilian labor force (official unemployment rate) was 5% (the U-3) in Dec. 2015.

But, the Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force was 9.9% (the U-6).

As a comparison, the Total unemployed, plus discouraged workers, plus all other persons marginally attached to the labor force, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force (the U-5) was 6.1%.

That is 3.8% of the people that have 'had to settle for part-time' work rather than the full-time work they wanted.


getting Sadam was done under Democrate but 8years of REpublican , rule could not


WTF are you talking about?

Saddam Hussein was captured on Dec. 13, 2003.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/saddam-hussein-captured

Dubya was still Prez. then.


What Obama has done is both rightous and honrable and those that object need to remember the dead children and shut up only Evil men could object to what he is doing


What dead children? All the dead children in Obama's wars (Libya and Syria, to name two of them)?? We had NO BUSINESS in either place. Obama the Warmonger...

Obama is righteous and honorable? Pull the other one... All he is is a warmongering dick-tater wanna-be.
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Message 1755748 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 5:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 1755745.  
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Thanks Major, didn't have time today to look it up and fact check Glenn. There is a lot of focus paid to that number despite everyone knowing it is not a true measure.

getting Sadam was done under Democrate but 8years of REpublican , rule could not


WTF are you talking about?

Saddam Hussein was captured on Dec. 13, 2003.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/saddam-hussein-captured

Dubya was still Prez. then.
I'm sure he meant the other guy, Obama Bin Ladden. ;-)

Shrub didn't take him out on purpose. He was reading most of his encrypted traffic and using those intercepts to make sure there wasn't another attack on Amerika. Now the guy is dead, Snowden has blabbed, and we have had Westgate, Paris twice, San Bernardino, creation of ISIL, use of WMD (gas) .....
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Message 1755856 - Posted: 12 Jan 2016, 21:12:58 UTC - in response to Message 1755833.  

This pretense of "interpreting" the Constitution is dishonest.

Part of the solution is to get back to what we all originally agreed to in the late 18th century.


But hasn't the Constitution been interpreted since day one. Aren't the Federalist Papers, by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay interpretations, especially as they do contain some conflicting statements, even from the same author at times.
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Message 1755965 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 6:53:54 UTC - in response to Message 1755856.  

This pretense of "interpreting" the Constitution is dishonest.

Part of the solution is to get back to what we all originally agreed to in the late 18th century.


But hasn't the Constitution been interpreted since day one. Aren't the Federalist Papers, by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay interpretations, especially as they do contain some conflicting statements, even from the same author at times.

The man is on a good rant telling us how we are to live our lives, don't confuse him with facts that don't fit his pet tin foil hat theories.
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Message 1755978 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 8:30:41 UTC - in response to Message 1755965.  

This pretense of "interpreting" the Constitution is dishonest.

Part of the solution is to get back to what we all originally agreed to in the late 18th century.


But hasn't the Constitution been interpreted since day one. Aren't the Federalist Papers, by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay interpretations, especially as they do contain some conflicting statements, even from the same author at times.

The man is on a good rant telling us how we are to live our lives, don't confuse him with facts that don't fit his pet tin foil hat theories.

Guy is just another fine example of someone that doesn't belong in the 21st century and would like to hold his country back in the dark ages as well (just another 1 of those typical 20-30%'s).

It's just a shame that we see so many of those ancient examples here. :-O

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Message 1755993 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 9:42:44 UTC - in response to Message 1755965.  

This pretense of "interpreting" the Constitution is dishonest.

Part of the solution is to get back to what we all originally agreed to in the late 18th century.


But hasn't the Constitution been interpreted since day one. Aren't the Federalist Papers, by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay interpretations, especially as they do contain some conflicting statements, even from the same author at times.

The man is on a good rant telling us how we are to live our lives, don't confuse him with facts that don't fit his pet tin foil hat theories.

I was going to ask him about the "natural born" laws, and how well the original law (the same as English Common Law) would go down with all those who have served abroad and had kids born whilst overseas. Only to be told that those kids are not US citizens and therefore cannot run for president etc.

The UK government tried going back to the original law in the early 80's and therefore my youngest has got an addition to his birth certificate stating that he is a UK citizen and that an ex post facto law has been introduced to cover up the mistake.
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Message 1756039 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 14:56:28 UTC - in response to Message 1755993.  

This pretense of "interpreting" the Constitution is dishonest.

Part of the solution is to get back to what we all originally agreed to in the late 18th century.


But hasn't the Constitution been interpreted since day one. Aren't the Federalist Papers, by Hamilton, Madison, and Jay interpretations, especially as they do contain some conflicting statements, even from the same author at times.

The man is on a good rant telling us how we are to live our lives, don't confuse him with facts that don't fit his pet tin foil hat theories.

I was going to ask him about the "natural born" laws, and how well the original law (the same as English Common Law) would go down with all those who have served abroad and had kids born whilst overseas. Only to be told that those kids are not US citizens and therefore cannot run for president etc.

The UK government tried going back to the original law in the early 80's and therefore my youngest has got an addition to his birth certificate stating that he is a UK citizen and that an ex post facto law has been introduced to cover up the mistake.

Latest I've heard is trump was a test tube job and therefore unnatural! Amazing how the founding fathers knew just what clause to put in. ;-)
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Message 1756051 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 16:53:13 UTC - in response to Message 1756000.  

The original "natural born" law means only people born on that countries territory can be citizens. And that was how it was originally written into US law.

Therefore it would mean children born to US parents outside the US cannot be natural US citizens and Ted Cruz could not stand for president, without the introduction of changes to the original law.

And if you had read carefully the ex post facto law I mentioned was about the UK not the US.
Country of origin interests me a lot, because besides my sons, born Italy and Germany. My father was born in India, and I was born in Germany and not in British Military Hospital. And as it stood my eldest would have been UK citizen whilst his brother who was born in a British Military Hospital was not. The UK has never had peacetime Military Hospitals in Italy.
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Message 1756077 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 18:19:29 UTC - in response to Message 1756072.  

Well no worries. Texas will just forge a birth certificate for Ted Cruz if it becomes an issue like Hawaii did for Obama.


Problem solved!
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Message 1756112 - Posted: 13 Jan 2016, 21:34:18 UTC

Guy, your "espousing individual freedom" actually impacts detrimentally on others around you and that is what you fail to see (or just don't want to see), but then you you don't give a damn about others as you have proved many times here before.

Clyde, you're in the same boat as Guy and it's sinking.

Both of yous are driven by selfishness with little or no compassion for others (deny it if you like but your statements prove otherwise).

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