It is you who is the arrogant person. As I explained earlier, I have a problem understanding spoken English, but can read it perfectly well. I look forward to being able to READ your own definition of "intelligence", not that of Plato et-al.

Adding to Tullio's definition, not replacing it, but extending it in another direction - A sign of intelligence is being able to transmit one's concepts in manner understandable to another person. Just now, you are not demonstrating any application of intelligence beyond that of a small child who repeats what has been said (or written) without being able to interpret the "sayings" into their own words and thoughts.

So now explain what you are thinking, in a manner that I can understand, do not refer to Plato (or any of the other ancient philosophers), but use your own words and your own thoughts.


(For your information the puzzle set to you by William some hours ago is a very simple play on the vagaries of English pronunciation - English being a non-phonetic language in its somewhat arbitrary use of spelling vs. pronunciation.)

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Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

You really think I am too stupid to Google?

Wow.

You, however, cannot even grasp the topic, no matter how intelligently it is pointed out to you.

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You are a very arrogant man. You think just because you are too lazy to acquire something to examine, that someone else can supplant that with words, that Logic imparts wisdom, when in fact, by the principles of language, which you have never bothered to research, factually demonstrate that all knowledge is by induction. Try again, Plato and Aristotle, the facts of language do not change.

You believe that someone else can do the mental work for you, and worse yet, you expect them to.

I want you to give me links to the original greek scriptures of Plato and Aristotle that you refer to.
Facts are that languages change over time.

Search the Internet Archive, there you will find them. However, I don't think they are called scriptures, they are folios etc. Digital editions of which can be found in various parts of the internet.

And no, facts of language do not change over time. Particular attempted logic systems do, like common grammar, all expressions of a mind evolving to do its own work.

If you want the pattern, look to living biology and how it abstracts, and what it abstracts from anything. This from the start of life itself.

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https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

https://archive.org/details/DelianQuest2015

Search the Internet Archive, there you will find them. However, I don't think they are called scriptures, they are folios etc. Digital editions of which can be found in various parts of the internet.

But they are translated!

There you go, failure to do as instructed. Don't tell me what they have, I have downloaded several in the original myself.

If you insist on lying, take a hike.

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https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

https://archive.org/details/DelianQuest2015

Any failure is on your part to understand the the very simple request - what were the links you used to download the original Greek text of Plato, Aristotle et-al.
While you are thing about that I am still waiting for your response to my request for your definitions in readable form. Again I re-iterate, I can't understand the words that are being spoken, but have no doubt that I would be able to read them.

I would hate to disavow you of a significant error in your understanding - Language changes with use, this is particularly true of the spoken word. If I were to address you in say "Middle English" you would probably only be able to grasp one word in ten of what I said, and if I were to use my native tongue then it would be nearer one word in a hundred. But these two languages are related to modern English, both in terms of grammar and their origins.

But we stray from the stated subject of this discussion, which is "How does one determine "Intellligent Life"?" (There are a few too many "L"s in the middle of that for the spelling checker to accept as being the word I believe you to mean).

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

"While you are thing about that I am still waiting"

I will see your 1 "l" and raise you an "ink"

all pun intended.

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What is "Intellligent Life"?
As far I can tell all animal species have an intelligence that is enough.

@Philosopher8659 You asked me to take a hike.
Actually that is very good to get your mind sorted out.
The ancient Greeks used to do that when discussing and teaching philosophy.

Come to think about it.
The ancient Greeks started the olympic games.
Exercising is very good for your brain.
Especially playing with a ball.

Actually, I have been known to make a number of things, but a hike?

I am just too tired.

my paripatetic is down to one raggedy shoe.

Still, off topic.

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Actually, I have been known to make a number of things, but a hike?
I am just too tired.
my paripatetic is down to one raggedy shoe.
Still, off topic.

Then you could perhaps define "Intelligent".

You don't listen very well,

A mind is a product of a life form. Therefore, intelligence is biologically defined.

It is not my definition, it is certainly not yours. You want answers do what the rest of your body does. I provided you with links which, if you had the least amount of curiosity to pursue, would lead you to your answers, yet you sit on your ass refusing to look.

Secondly, principles of the Two Element Metaphysics is given not only in the Judeo-Christian Scripture, but also the works of Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and your own biology. And you expect me to put into your mind what you have never even thought about?

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https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

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And speaking of simple questions...

Finding life in the universe is obviously not as difficult as finding "Intelligent Life."

Obvious to who, exactly? Last time I looked it was obviously impossible for us to confirm any form of life beyond our solar system other than finding signs of intelligence.

I believe I asked the first question, of which you are obviously too rude to answer and quite frankly, rudeness is not always a sign of intelligence. In fact, one only resorts to it, when someone is too stupid to take a hint.

Try to topic first.

It is not obvious to a cow the meaning of a train, if I gave the reader too much credit, shame on me.

If you cannot comprehend a topic, perhaps you should be civil enough to find one that you can.

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https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

https://archive.org/details/DelianQuest2015

If you quote Russell to me I shall quote Ludwig Wittgenstein and his Tractatus Logicus-philosophicus in which he says that if youn don't know a subject don't speak about it.
Tullio

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You don't listen very well,

A mind is a product of a life form. Therefore, intelligence is biologically defined.

It is not my definition, it is certainly not yours. You want answers do what the rest of your body does. I provided you with links which, if you had the least amount of curiosity to pursue, would lead you to your answers, yet you sit on your ass refusing to look.

Secondly, principles of the Two Element Metaphysics is given not only in the Judeo-Christian Scripture, but also the works of Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and your own biology. And you expect me to put into your mind what you have never even thought about?

You don't answer my requests.
Simply give me links to the original texts of Plato and Aristotle and give me a definition of intelligence.
Euclid was a mathematician and didn't study biology.
Does Euclidean geometry ring a bell?

If you quote Russell to me I shall quote Ludwig Wittgenstein and his Tractatus Logicus-philosophicus in which he says that if youn don't know a subject don't speak about it.
Tullio

LOL.
That rules out a lot of politicians:)

Does Euclidean geometry ring a bell?

Here is a Link to Heath's translation which I posted myself

https://archive.org/details/euclid_heath_2nd_ed


Here is a link to a subset which some have sought from about the time of Pythagoras but could never figure out, no one found but me;

https://archive.org/details/AUniversalLanguage

Which examples how lazy you are.


And here is a link to more work than you have ever attempted, all done by me

https://archive.org/search.php?query=johnclark8659&sort=-publicdate


And so, you can mouth off and say I did not answer, where I can prove, you were not bright enough to listen to.

Give me, give me, give me. Want me to change your diaper as well?

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You began your posting with a statement that defies logic and known facts, and you feel I'm being rude and/or stupid because I'm not ignoring that statement?

Well, lets see if you even had a biology course in school, of all the life forms on this planet alone, what percentage would you call intelligent? Right in front of your face and you say known facts? Better go back to grade school.

And anyone with the least bit of intelligence can figure that one out.

Hell, you could even have watched Cosmos to get that information, no need to even move away from the TV.

My first statement required the smallest amount of reflection, which you clearly demonstrated was beyond your comprehension. What makes you think, my post has anything to do with people who cannot connect the dots?

If you could not figure out for yourself, that all knowledge is derived from sense perception; i.e. even the principles of language, then you could have read it in the Works of Aristotle, Dialogues of Plato, The Judeo-Christian Scripture, or even a modest amount of intelligence.

Or, you could have viewed some of my essays that walk it down step by step, language principles which are not taught as part of public education.

And it is no more than self-arrogance to believe that you can lie, and bully your way through a civil discourse.

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https://archive.org/details/TheDifferenceBetweenManAndBeast

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