Stalling issues with SETI WU's on my newly setup laptop that isn't seen on Einstein WU's.

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Message 1730034 - Posted: 29 Sep 2015, 7:44:53 UTC
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An earlier group of downloaded SETI ati5_cat132 WU's finished about 60% of the WU's but the others had to be aborted for stalling and refusing to advance. Of the 60% that finished, some of those also stalled and could be coaxed into completing by suspending them and allowing them to restart some hours later. About 7 WU were all stalled at the same characteristic percentage of 16.898%.

I came back to check on this latest group of WU's and one that was an initial 2 hour WU estimation had 35 hours into and stalled at about 39%.
I had underclocked the GPU for this series of packets to assure myself it wasn't overheating or RAM issues.
Einstein WU's haven't had any issues.

The machine having the issues is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7438051 with Radeon HD 7400 on driver version 15.200.1062.0.

Is this a known issue and should I go back to an earlier AMD driver version?

If not what else could it be as I'm not getting any problems with Einstein @Home or running videos and other functionality.
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Message 1730252 - Posted: 30 Sep 2015, 4:56:19 UTC
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Haven't had any problems on the WU's run since I posted this message.

So were those just a series of bad WU's? Since 7 of them all stalled at the same percentage completed, that is my leading hypothesis.
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Message 1730963 - Posted: 2 Oct 2015, 2:30:29 UTC

seems to be an issue on older ati cards got the same issue on some of em
I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap
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Message 1731004 - Posted: 2 Oct 2015, 5:43:52 UTC

I went ahead and d/l HP's last official video driver and it installed Catalyst 13.200.0.0 and at least now Device Manager reports the correct GPU as AMD Radeon HD 6470M instead of a generic HD 7400 series.

Looked good until earlier this evening.

I have 3 WU's stalled at 21.268, 21.271 and 21.422%. Pausing then restarting, BOINC will back up about 0.1% and then progress steadily right until it hits those percentages before stalling again.
WU app is SETI@home v7 7.07 and both versions(opencl_ati5_cat132) and (opencl_ati_cat132) are stalling but 75% of the time they complete and are validating.

Einstein@home sends packets but it wants to dedicate 0.5 of a CPU core for work but since I'm losing 8 to 18 hours while I'm away and SETI stalls it'll probably be just as efficient.


Is there a way to force back to an older SETI app for calculation, a known reliable Catalyst driver for the 6470M or some other configuration trick I can try?


I picked up this $100 used notebook because it had an opencl 1.2 independent GPU for calculating along with the 2nd gen i5 and a nice secondary screen, so this is pretty irritating.
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Message 1731038 - Posted: 2 Oct 2015, 8:14:24 UTC - in response to Message 1731004.  


Is there a way to force back to an older SETI app for calculation, a known reliable Catalyst driver for the 6470M or some other configuration trick I can try?

If you have the older Seti app, you can set it up as an anonymous platform file and that way force BOINC to only use that one. You'd need an application for Astropulse and any CPU applications as well then, if you run those.

Otherwise you could try the optimized Lunatics 0.43b applications.
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Message 1731460 - Posted: 3 Oct 2015, 10:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 1731038.  
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Is there a way to force back to an older SETI app for calculation, a known reliable Catalyst driver for the 6470M or some other configuration trick I can try?

If you have the older Seti app, you can set it up as an anonymous platform file and that way force BOINC to only use that one. You'd need an application for Astropulse and any CPU applications as well then, if you run those.

Otherwise you could try the optimized Lunatics 0.43b applications.


I'll look into the Lunatics. Where do you find older SETI app versions?

I probably have BOINC backups back to 2007 but this hardware is circa 2010 so I can look in backups from that period at the SETI folder.
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Message 1731900 - Posted: 4 Oct 2015, 19:16:00 UTC - in response to Message 1731460.  
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I probably have BOINC backups ...

BOINC version have nothing to do with SETI app versions
Older SETI app versions are e.g. in older Lunatics Installers (but I don't think you need them)

Even if you find some old SETI@home app in your "BOINC backups":
- you have to be sure they can work with the current tasks
- you have to know how to make app_info.xml manually to use them

(app_info.xml is made automatically by Lunatics Installers and it will contain the necessary descriptions of the apps you choose (all the apps are inside of the Lunatics Installer))
 


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Message 1732242 - Posted: 6 Oct 2015, 6:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 1731900.  

I probably have BOINC backups ...

BOINC version have nothing to do with SETI app versions
Older SETI app versions are e.g. in older Lunatics Installers (but I don't think you need them)

Even if you find some old SETI@home app in your "BOINC backups":
- you have to be sure they can work with the current tasks
- you have to know how to make app_info.xml manually to use them

(app_info.xml is made automatically by Lunatics Installers and it will contain the necessary descriptions of the apps you choose (all the apps are inside of the Lunatics Installer))


I know that the app versions needed are those lying in the SETI@Home directories and that BOINC version has nothing to do with the discussion. It's unclear why you found it necessary to point this out because I clearly wrote: "so I can look in backups from that period at the SETI folder."

I'm not an expert but have edited the app_info.xml and have found the changes that Lunatics made to the file informative.

Whether the old SETI apps work with current tasks is indeed an unknown but would be interesting experiment to see if they do. Thankyou for the tidbit about what the older Lunatics versions contains.

I'll probably need to try older versions since the 0.43 Lunatics did not correct the issues of a few days ago. 5 WU's that all stalled at 21% were aborted. 20 new WU's showed up this hour and will see if the problem returns.

It's possible this machine will have to work on Einstein@home or Moo! for GPU WU's and so will need some custom changes config files to stop GPU SETI WU d/ls.

Thanks for your input.
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Message 1734131 - Posted: 14 Oct 2015, 7:52:58 UTC

The version 6 Lunatics (like version 0.38) are hard to find after they changed their website and we are long past the grace period where version 6 work would be accepted so I reinstalled the 0.43 Lunatics version and turned off the ATI WU for the HP 8560p. It's relegated to Einstein@Home WU's, which it does quite well.

Thanks for all that gave me input.
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Message 1734133 - Posted: 14 Oct 2015, 8:11:29 UTC

Support for SETI@Home version 6 tasks and applications has been removed, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE ANY APPLICATIONS for that version, at the best you will get no tasks as they are not being distributed, at worst all you will get is a 100% errors.

Einstein is a separate project, and has its own version control, so do not get the two projects confused.

(Both use the BOINC framework for data distribution and task management - BOINC has its own version control)
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Message 1734360 - Posted: 15 Oct 2015, 12:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 1734133.  
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Support for SETI@Home version 6 tasks and applications has been removed, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE ANY APPLICATIONS for that version, at the best you will get no tasks as they are not being distributed, at worst all you will get is a 100% errors.

Einstein is a separate project, and has its own version control, so do not get the two projects confused.

(Both use the BOINC framework for data distribution and task management - BOINC has its own version control)


I said that the grace period for version 6 WU acceptance was past and I am in no way confusing the two projects as it was clearly stated the machine is now being used for Einstein WU, so why did you feel the need to post this admonishment?
Everyone involved was thanked and a resolution comment was posted to the thread so your post was unnecessary and put forth false assumptions about the content of my posts.
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