That's possible.
I believe it's 1 of about 3 ways things could've gone down.
I wonder if it being a charade ever even crossed his mind but he was too afraid to think more about that, let alone speak it aloud.

Considering what the church did only a few years later to an astronomer, he likely understood that some things simply could never be expressed if you valued life.

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That's possible.
I believe it's 1 of about 3 ways things could've gone down.
I wonder if it being a charade ever even crossed his mind but he was too afraid to think more about that, let alone speak it aloud.

Considering what the church did only a few years later to an astronomer, he likely understood that some things simply could never be expressed if you valued life.

Clearly, others in that era did stand up against them.

I've never heard anyone cast doubts on the accounts of Josephus, except for the paragraph about Jesus. Are the other writings of Josephus generally accepted?

Yes and no. I have read the complete works of Josephus, Whiston translation. As I have pointed out in previous contexts, that by no means makes me a scholar.

Josephus is a reliable source for very much historical data. But, he was a man of his times, a devout Jew and all that went with it. He believed much that most us recognize as nonsense today.

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Dave Nelson

Philo?

What book?

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Dave Nelson

Jesus of Nazareth

Born bce 10/6 with many wider guesses: died ce 30 +_? Historicity questionable.

Philo of Alexandria.

Born bce 25 died 50 ce, Historicity, reasonable well attested. Philosopher, author, commentator on current events. Totally contemporary with Jesus, same geographical location. Spoke not a word concerning Jesus.

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My very point. The biblical Jesus did not exist.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-34538402?SThisFB

A report by the Aid to the Church in Need charity describes what it calls "levels of persecution" in 22 countries and concludes that Christianity is on course for extinction in some areas within a generation.

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That's good news. The bad news is that I'm not going to be around to see it.

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Dave Nelson

My very point. The biblical Jesus did not exist.

Biblical History, is the same as Pagan, or Non-Pagan Religious History.

Out Accepted 'Secular' History if chock full of God's, Miracles, Killing because a 'God' directed it, and other BS.

Our 'Secular History' is complete with references to humans doing 'Amazing BS'.

What is the difference?

Back to the generalizations about "Secular History" (whatever that may be)? Why not provide examples?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Are you trolling or are you serious?

As Clyde say yes i am very serious about it and no i will not post links .

The seal'd Book of David has a curse as i found out way to late so do what you are spose to do and find the info yourself Marmot

not trolling i have been busy earning money to donate to the project so i havn't been around much as my machines have been busy mining but i'm back now so i'll be catching up on the boards .

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Born bce 25 died 50 ce, Historicity, reasonable well attested. Philosopher, author, commentator on current events. Totally contemporary with Jesus, same geographical location. Spoke not a word concerning Jesus.

Alexandria. was not in Israel !! They also did not have the internet back then so it would have taken some time for the story's to get to Alexandria so i'm not surprised he didn't speek a word and then , there was the fact that Rome did every thing to discredit Jesus and the Hebrew religion.

Was he to scared to have spoke of him i ask ?????

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I did not say that Alexandria was in Israel. I said that Philo was born in Alexandria.

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Dave Nelson

" They also did not have the internet back then so it would have taken some time for the story's to get to Alexandria".

They did have an internet. It hadn't been electrified, didgitized and transistorised yet but it was very efficient for it's time.

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Yes Clyde I wouldn't mind having a few beers down the local water hole with you mate maybe in another 7 years when I can get my superannuation i'll come over there and you can show me that good American hospitality your famous for although the pub better have some good ozzie beer sorry that Budwizer beer is rubbish :)

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My very point. The biblical Jesus did not exist.

Biblical History, is the same as Pagan, or Non-Pagan Religious History.

Out Accepted 'Secular' History if chock full of God's, Miracles, Killing because a 'God' directed it, and other BS.

Our 'Secular History' is complete with references to humans doing 'Amazing BS'.

What is the difference?

Back to the generalizations about "Secular History" (whatever that may be)? Why not provide examples?

bobby...

Don't understand what Secular History, as differentiated from Biblical History means? Really?

You have never heard of Thor, Zeus, and other Gods? Really?

You really believe Greek History is bunk, because they believed in this BS? Really?

Why?

Given that I have already posted "Personally I would not count the Illiad as documentary evidence of Helen's existence" in this thread, why the questions about whether I have heard of other Gods (iirc, Thor does not get mentioned by Homer, though that might be because Thor is a part of Norse mythology, and the Homer was not a member of a Germanic tribe). I believe the evidence for the existence of Achilles is as compelling as that for Jesus.

Why don't you provide examples to help illustrate what you mean by your terms?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

That's good news. The bad news is that I'm not going to be around to see it.

I would much rather see Islam die out entirely. But the only religion that I know of that doesn't have a history of violence is Buddhism.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I would much rather see Islam die out entirely. But the only religion that I know of that doesn't have a history of violence is Buddhism

yes bob your right there mate it is the only truly non violet religion and in fact it's not actually a religion but a way of showing us how to live or as I've herd it called a way of life

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I would much rather see Islam die out entirely. But the only religion that I know of that doesn't have a history of violence is Buddhism

yes bob your right there mate it is the only truly non violet religion and in fact it's not actually a religion but a way of showing us how to live or as I've herd it called a way of life

Islam is also a non violent religion.
http://quran.com/
But many imans have distorted the scripture that the prophet Mohammed said was perfect and shouldn't be altered.
Clergymen are always keen to "interpret" scriptures in all religions.

Islam is also a non violent religion.
http://quran.com/
But many imans have distorted the scripture that the prophet Mohammed said was perfect and shouldn't be altered.
Clergymen are always keen to "interpret" scriptures in all religions

Yes jann that is also true about the other religions and the same thing there too , the dam priests, rabbi's, distort what the teachings say

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I have been under the impression that Mohamed believed that all infidels and especially apostates should be killed. Was I wrong?

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