Jacaranda trees are aware of each other. They smell.

According to science this communication between plants is true.
But self awareness is more than that.
I have seen experiments where they used monkeys and elephants in front of a mirror.
It takes a long time for them to understand that they see is only a mirror of them self.

Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

Because a DNA molecule or for that matter every molecule is not stable.
Eventually all molecules will decay.
For now it works that DNA molecules are still here since they are reproducting them self.

Still the fact that Life exists is a contradiction to the Thermodynamics Laws.

Actually, it is very liberating. The moment I realised that I didn't believe in god I felt a huge weight lift off me and realised that I had more control over my life than I realised. There was no 'great plan' and I wasn't being judged by a set of rules that seemed horribly unfair. It was wonderful.

I highly recommend it.

I find that it only replaces one bad thing with another. No God means no free will meaning no accountability and total irrelevance. Yeah, this life is all we got, yeah we gotta make the best of it, but whether you succeed in making something of your life depends entirely on whether you have won some random cosmic lottery and got born in the right time and place. There is some comfort in knowing that I have zero personal accountability over my thoughts or actions, that everything I do and that I think has been set for me, but its not very uplifting.

I have zero personal accountability over my thoughts or actions

I have always thought that religions teaches about personal accountability.
Is it not what all religions is about?

It must give you atheists a nice, warm fuzzy feeling to huddle together, here in the darkness, nodding in agreement among each other and acknowledging to each other that we are here, all alone. Nothing but the product of randomness in the vastness of space. A series of lucky rolls of the dice to lead us to "think, therefore we are... but why?" And then conclude that we all eat, reproduce and then die--all for no reason. A blink of an eye on a cosmic scale, then we vanish, cease, extinguish--back into nothingness.

Ah... Feels good to come to that conclusion, doesn't it?

So Brutus as a man of god then why do you have guns is that not against what the Bible teaches .

Thou shall not kill ? and does not a guns main reason of Existence is to kill .

maybe it's better we warm Fuzzy ppl believe what we do as i don't own a gun or promote there use or acceptance as a must have thing of desire

Believe in God , own a Gun .
Don't believe in God and be all warm and Fuzzy at least ppl don't die of bullets to the head .

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Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

Because a DNA molecule or for that matter every molecule is not stable.
Eventually all molecules will decay.
For now it works that DNA molecules are still here since they are reproducting them self.

Still the fact that Life exists is a contradiction to the Thermodynamics Laws.

Are you sure that is a fact?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

Because a DNA molecule or for that matter every molecule is not stable.
Eventually all molecules will decay.
For now it works that DNA molecules are still here since they are reproducting them self.

Still the fact that Life exists is a contradiction to the Thermodynamics Laws.

Are you sure that is a fact?

Yes:)
If you see the whole universe as a closed system that are expanding everything will eventually decay. I think it's called the Big Freeze.

Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

Because a DNA molecule or for that matter every molecule is not stable.
Eventually all molecules will decay.
For now it works that DNA molecules are still here since they are reproducting them self.

Still the fact that Life exists is a contradiction to the Thermodynamics Laws.

Are you sure that is a fact?

Yes:)
If you see the whole universe as a closed system that are expanding everything will eventually decay. I think it's called the Big Freeze.

Did you read the link? Why do you think universal expansion and life violating the 2nd law are related data?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

Because a DNA molecule or for that matter every molecule is not stable.
Eventually all molecules will decay.
For now it works that DNA molecules are still here since they are reproducting them self.

Still the fact that Life exists is a contradiction to the Thermodynamics Laws.

Are you sure that is a fact?

Yes:)
If you see the whole universe as a closed system that are expanding everything will eventually decay. I think it's called the Big Freeze.

Did you read the link? Why do you think universal expansion and life violating the 2nd law are related data?

I read the link.
The second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems.
It's very hard to find closed systems in our universe.
Some even belive that our universe is part of a multiverse.
The WMAP image suggest that there is a birth mark on it from the time our universe was connected to an other universe.

Related data? The 2nd law would probably rule even without universal expansion. But the expansion makes the disorder from order faster.

"I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ..." :)

Life doesn't follow the second law of thermodynamics.

It doesn't? Are you sure?

Yes.
Can you tell any other physical phenomea that does the same?
But it also depends what part of the system you are observing.
If you look at the universe as a whole, life is decaying and following the second law of thermodynamics.
However, our galaxy is too young to experience that.

Why do you think life doesn't follow the second law?

Because a DNA molecule or for that matter every molecule is not stable.
Eventually all molecules will decay.
For now it works that DNA molecules are still here since they are reproducting them self.

Still the fact that Life exists is a contradiction to the Thermodynamics Laws.

Are you sure that is a fact?

Yes:)
If you see the whole universe as a closed system that are expanding everything will eventually decay. I think it's called the Big Freeze.

Did you read the link? Why do you think universal expansion and life violating the 2nd law are related data?

I read the link.
The second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems.
It's very hard to find closed systems in our universe.
Some even belive that our universe is part of a multiverse.
The WMAP image suggest that there is a birth mark on it from the time our universe was connected to an other universe.

Related data? The 2nd law would probably rule even without universal expansion. But the expansion makes the disorder from order faster.

"I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ..." :)

Ah, I do believe you missed this:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/612340/Origin-of-the-universe-riddle-solved-by-Canadian-physicists-and-er-it-wasn-t-God

Under Inflation Theory the tiny energies and lifespan of the virtual particle become infinitely magnified, resulting in our 13.8 Billion-year-old universe.

Just to make things more complicated Dr Mir says we have been looking at the question ‘how did the universe come from nothing?’ all wrong.

According to the extraordinary findings, the question is irrelevant because the universe STILL is nothing.

Dr Mir said: “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”

He added that the negative gravitational energy of the universe and the positive matter energy of the universe basically balanced out and created a zero sum.

So it appears as if the reason for the universe is entropy and heisenberg uncertainty principle.

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So it appears as if the reason for the universe is entropy and heisenberg uncertainty principle

Gary some here might disagree with that . The Divine creationists say God had a calculator pen and a slide rule to design everything even Entropy .....:)

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Ah, I do believe you missed this:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/612340/Origin-of-the-universe-riddle-solved-by-Canadian-physicists-and-er-it-wasn-t-God

Under Inflation Theory the tiny energies and lifespan of the virtual particle become infinitely magnified, resulting in our 13.8 Billion-year-old universe.

Just to make things more complicated Dr Mir says we have been looking at the question ‘how did the universe come from nothing?’ all wrong.

According to the extraordinary findings, the question is irrelevant because the universe STILL is nothing.

Dr Mir said: “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”

He added that the negative gravitational energy of the universe and the positive matter energy of the universe basically balanced out and created a zero sum.

So it appears as if the reason for the universe is entropy and heisenberg uncertainty principle.

That article's title is a little bit click baity. First, what those scientists found wasn't the definitive proof that God doesn't exist, in fact the guy actually states the opposite.

“But if you mean God as a great mathematician, then yes!”

Second, another somewhat confusing thing for people who aren't physicists, when the scientist says 'nothing' he is actually referring to the absence energy, not matter, which if you ask me is a bit of a misuse of the word 'nothing'.

Ah, I do believe you missed this:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/612340/Origin-of-the-universe-riddle-solved-by-Canadian-physicists-and-er-it-wasn-t-God

Under Inflation Theory the tiny energies and lifespan of the virtual particle become infinitely magnified, resulting in our 13.8 Billion-year-old universe.

Just to make things more complicated Dr Mir says we have been looking at the question ‘how did the universe come from nothing?’ all wrong.

According to the extraordinary findings, the question is irrelevant because the universe STILL is nothing.

Dr Mir said: “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”

He added that the negative gravitational energy of the universe and the positive matter energy of the universe basically balanced out and created a zero sum.

So it appears as if the reason for the universe is entropy and heisenberg uncertainty principle.

Nope. I didn't miss that:)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78077&postid=1734625#1734625
I like this statement.
Dr Mir said: “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”

Second, another somewhat confusing thing for people who aren't physicists, when the scientist says 'nothing' he is actually referring to the absence energy, not matter, which if you ask me is a bit of a misuse of the word 'nothing'.

Nothing to me is something that has no property at all.
Not even space and time.
Even a greek philosopher have tought about it.
And yet we call it something despit it is nothing.

If there is a God, does he reside in the place "nothing"?
But that would mean he cannot exist because it would mean "nothing" is "something".

Second, another somewhat confusing thing for people who aren't physicists, when the scientist says 'nothing' he is actually referring to the absence energy, not matter, which if you ask me is a bit of a misuse of the word 'nothing'.

Funny thing is matter is energy. E=mc^2 You haven't forgotten have you? So when he says nothing he means nothing. Matter is just a more elegantly ordered state of energy.

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What is nothing.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuh17e_everything-nothing-2-2_shortfilms

What is order and disorder.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxpxmn_order-disorder-1-2_tech
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxpuhc_order-disorder-2-2_tech

I read the link.
The second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems.
It's very hard to find closed systems in our universe.
Some even belive that our universe is part of a multiverse.
The WMAP image suggest that there is a birth mark on it from the time our universe was connected to an other universe.

Related data? The 2nd law would probably rule even without universal expansion. But the expansion makes the disorder from order faster.

"I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ..." :)

If you still believe that life violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics then I can only conclude that we have different ideas of what that law states.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I read the link.
The second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems.
It's very hard to find closed systems in our universe.
Some even belive that our universe is part of a multiverse.
The WMAP image suggest that there is a birth mark on it from the time our universe was connected to an other universe.

Related data? The 2nd law would probably rule even without universal expansion. But the expansion makes the disorder from order faster.

"I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ..." :)

If you still believe that life violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics then I can only conclude that we have different ideas of what that law states.

How can we have different ideas of what that law states?
I know that the 2nd law will win in the end eventually.
I think it's very strange though that we can discuss it and even come to some conclusions.
What physical law determine that?

I read the link.
The second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems.
It's very hard to find closed systems in our universe.
Some even belive that our universe is part of a multiverse.
The WMAP image suggest that there is a birth mark on it from the time our universe was connected to an other universe.

Related data? The 2nd law would probably rule even without universal expansion. But the expansion makes the disorder from order faster.

"I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ..." :)

If you still believe that life violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics then I can only conclude that we have different ideas of what that law states.

How can we have different ideas of what that law states?
I know that the 2nd law will win in the end eventually.
I think it's very strange though that we can discuss it and even come to some conclusions.

Strange indeed, though you appear to suggest that life has some means to delay the onset of increasing entropy, there is nothing in the 2nd law as I understand it that permits a delaying mechanism to exist. Thus we have a different idea of what the law states.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...