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Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
They caught up with one of those doing the assault and negotiated with him, guess what race? I don't condone what went down but, if he had been African-American it would have been suicide by cop - no negotiations, a cop jumping on a hood and pumping a couple of hundred shots into the windshield. BUT, since it was a armored van, they might have had a rocket launcher handy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting_n_7575378.html I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
They caught up with one of those doing the assault and negotiated with him, guess what race? I don't condone what went down but, if he had been African-American it would have been suicide by cop - no negotiations, a cop jumping on a hood and pumping a couple of hundred shots into the windshield. BUT, since it was a armored van, they might have had a rocket launcher handy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting_n_7575378.html Who said anything about bigotry? All I did was make a statement about reality as it exists in this country on this day. It is a comparison between what happened in Dallas and what happened in Cleveland when a car backfired in front of a PD HQ - nothing more. I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
Update! Suspect was shot by PD sniper - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dallas-shooting-suspect_n_7575796.html I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Update! Suspect was shot by PD sniper - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dallas-shooting-suspect_n_7575796.html Police are checking to see if the suspect was killed, Dallas Police Chief David Brown told the AP. Surely that only takes three seconds. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Update! Suspect was shot by PD sniper - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dallas-shooting-suspect_n_7575796.html Might take three days. After all, he could be bobby trapped. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
So how did another nutcase get his hands on weapons and the equipment to build pipe bomb seeing as there is now gun control ? or at least some have told us there is now gun control , doesn't sound like it's very good gun control thou for this to happen . |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
I believe you will find that it is up to each state to decide it's own laws on guns. Here are the laws for Texas. Texas Gun Laws Not terribly restrictive. So your question is moot, you don't need a license for a gun. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Bernie i figured you don't one in Texas . I'm throwing words back at the persons face whom said they had gun laws . In other words i'm being sarcastic at the gun lobby and those whom make excuses why they don't need gun control , it there so called gun laws are a joke . |
qbit Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 |
Since when do criminals care about laws? |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
NX what has just happen'd in Texas could not happen in ozz we have gun laws it's very hard to get a gun and ammo so laws would stop this type of thing from happening simple . So your question is mute |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Bernie i figured you don't one in Texas . I'm throwing words back at the persons face whom said they had gun laws . In other words i'm being sarcastic at the gun lobby and those whom make excuses why they don't need gun control , it there so called gun laws are a joke . States decided on local laws and in some states there is gun control in others there is not, you cannot judge America on one state. So what you are saying is that it is totally impossible in Australia, for a criminal to get hold of a gun or explosives that there are no illegal guns anywhere. Nice to see that you are so perfect. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
No Bernie i am not saying crim can't get guns they can but it's very hard . You can't tell me this guy was a big bad criminal or he would have been in jail by now . As for explosives no you can't get explosives like Ammonia nitrate to make pipe bombs . No you can't buy gunpowder either with out a licence and you have any idea how many shops sell guns or gunpowder in . Not many in fact i knew of only 1 shop in all off Sydney you could and i think that has now closed . So there is no way what happen'd in Texas could happen here . Even that nutter that took over the lynt cafe only had a very old shootgun and he didn't have many rounds . it's just to easy in the states to get them and you do need the whole country to have the same laws as we have had to do . Remember we to have states that can make there own laws on guns but we are not stupid like the Americans as we got all the states to change there laws to be the same . You can longer go interstate to buy a weapon which you could up until John Howard changed the laws back in the mid 90's So i do brush all Americans with the same brush over gun laws Edit : The laws about chem's was also changed buy Howard back in the 90's before that you could buy Ammonia nitrate in 25 kg bags so you can't even buy the right chem's without jumping through a lot off hoops |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Well it seems that you in fact can own a gun in Austrila As of 2007 about 5.2% of Australian adults (765,000 people) own and use firearms for purposes such as hunting, controlling feral animals, collecting, security work, and target shooting. Also this from last October About 260,000 guns are on the Australian “grey†or black markets, an inquiry into illicit firearms has heard. They belong to people who did not register them after the stricter gun laws came in in 1996, or people had bought them illegally. So with 260,000 unlicensed firearms out there I think that probably it might just be possible for it to happen there. It isn't only guns that make it less likely to happen in Australia, there are many more and complex social reasons, so whilst I do not support for one minute the need to carry a gun, I support the right of any free country to decide they do. It is up to the people and up to them to realise the consequences. |
qbit Send message Joined: 19 Sep 04 Posts: 630 Credit: 6,868,528 RAC: 0 |
Very strict gun laws here in Austria, still criminals do have firearms. Iguess you can get a gun in every country of the world if you want. You can probably even order it on the Net if you know how to use tor and bitcoins. Ofc its easier to get a gun in texas but I don't think theres much correlation between gun laws and crime rate, otherwise Cali would have one of the lowest crime rates in the US. Granted, thats maybe not the best example, but I know that there are international studies that came to the same conclusion. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Bernie i have never said you can't buy guns you can but you must be licenced and that is not so easy . And yes i do know there is about 250,000 guns but compeared to our population of only 22 million i say i can't happen , also those guns are not Assult rifles they are semi auto and most would be rifles not hand guns . Gun Control does not mean all guns are banned or that they should all be illegal what it means is you have to prove you are the right person to have one and to limit damage from them . It's the limiting of damage that they can do that people need to understand not that you will stop all murders as you can't but you can limit how many people die and i'm afraid 50,000 per year and 15,000 children get killed in the states that's a hugh amount of people so let's put this in some context shall we
death's from car accidents year by years in America 2013 = 32,719 less than what is killed by guns 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S If they where not so stupid with gun laws maybe this would drop by 80% with true gun laws and i'm being very concevative it will be more like 95% less deaths with gun control or keep doing what you are and more people will die than are killed on the roads and yet how many laws are there for driving . |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
If they where not so stupid with gun laws maybe this would drop by 80% with true gun laws and i'm being very concevative it will be more like 95% less deaths with gun control or keep doing what you are and more people will die than are killed on the roads and yet how many laws are there for driving . You live in Australia, a perfect country we all know. However it is not up to you to tell others countries how to live or formulate their laws. America has guns, people are killed by guns daily, and of course the two are always linked. Many Americans will fight to keep their right as set out in the constitution. In the United States, with an English common law tradition, a long-standing common law right to keep and bear arms has been recognized as existing prior even to the creation of a written national constitution. In the United States, the right to keep and bear arms is also an enumerated right specifically protected by the U.S. Constitution and many state constitutions such that people have a personal right to own arms for individual use, and a right to bear these same arms both for personal protection and for use in a militia. The right to keep and bear arms is codified in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads: Not sure how many of the 318 million Americans would vote to scrap that. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
What i find wierd about that last post is this A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed It's a joke right ! A well regulated militia . MM how can you have a well "REGULATED" , how can you regulate with out there being some kind of law and how can you not infringe that right if you do make some kind of law . sound totally stupid to me . besides Bernie you live in England so do you wish the laws are what they are in America ? Sounds a bit hypocritical of you seeing as England does have gun laws I believe. Or you saying , as you live in a perfect country i should not say or express what i think about what guns laws are in other country's . It's called free speech Good men should speak up or you end up with NAZI's and the Holocast because good men said nothing and let the bad things happen |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
No Bernie i am not saying crim can't get guns they can but it's very hard . You can't tell me this guy was a big bad criminal or he would have been in jail by now . Glenn, Why are you ragging on the USA so? Do you hate us so much? Explosives are EASY to get. Your example of Ammonium Nitrate... It is FERTILIZER. I used to, back in the 1970s buy it by the 2.5 ton (about 2300kg) load (2 or 3 loads a day) to spread on my dad's farm. Granted it is a little more difficult to do now since the OK City bombing back in the 1990s, but it is still easy to get enough over a period of time to do some serious damage. And this is just Ammonium Nitrate, a low-grade explosive. Other explosives (especially high explosives like nitroglycerine and TNT) are easy to synthesize out of commonly available chemicals by anyone with a moderate knowledge of chemistry. Even black powder (one of the first explosives discovered) can be made with very little trouble. All it takes is enough advance planning to accumulate enough over a period of time to avoid being flagged. You are not going to stop explosives by someone determined enough to want/use them. Just look at all the IEDs used in war zones like Iraq. Where there is a will, there is a way -- legal or not. Gun control. I will say this again... We HAVE gun control laws in the USA. What firearms are legal and who can own them are regulated at both the Federal and State levels, with even some Cities getting into the act. But, guess what... NONE of this matters to someone wanting to use firearms in illegal activity. They are NOT going to go buy their guns legally. They will get them through other means, in large part guns smuggled into the country and bought on the black market. As I have said before, the borders of the USA are EXTREMELY porous. We have about 20,000 miles of land borders and coastline. Also, we have only about 20,000 people working for the Border patrol. Some of these are administrative positions. The field agents are responsible for coverage 24 hours a day, every day. It is dirt EASY to smuggle stuff into the USA, by boat, tunnel, airplane, and even just walking across the border. Proof? Look at all the illegal drugs smuggled in, as well as all the 'illegals' that sneak into this country. How did things get this way? The 'illegals' sneaking in are seen by the left as a source of new voters and by the right as a source of CHEAP labor. No, the USA sadly has lost control of border security, with precious little prospects of regaining it anytime soon. You also imply that Texas is somehow sill in 'wild wild west' mode when it comes to firearms. 14 States and the District of Columbia (our Federal Capital city) have higher rates of Gun Murders per 100,000 inhabitants than Texas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state (sort on rightmost column) 29 States have higher rates of Gun Ownership per 100,000 inhabitants than Texas. http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2012Factors/a/Gun-Owners-As-Percentage-Of-Each-States-Population.htm As to 'open carry', Texas is not the first or only state to have an open carry law. All that HB 910 did was to allow holders of concealed-carry licenses to open-carry in places that they already could concealed-carry... only. You STILL need to have a concealed-carry license, which means you have to pass a background check, and pass a training class. That said, I am not sure how I feel about open-carry (I do have some misgivings about it), and I am not sure if it will survive the inevitable court challenge. Time will tell. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Bernie i have never said you can't buy guns you can but you must be licenced and that is not so easy . Hang on Glenn. In Europe it's more easy to buy an illegal weapon than a legal one. If you want a Kalashnikov go to Tallin Estonia. If you want a hand gun go to the Balcan States. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
NO mate just getting sick of the news story's about another freaking gunman gone crazy and the bloody excuses all the dam time . What get me Kong is you are not stupid people but do act like it . I get sick of hearing we have gun laws and the next thing you know another nutcase has got hold of a weapon gone on a shooting spree And then there ends up being anouther thread about another shooting and to say anything , YOU HATE America i don't Remember i do rubbish my own country when it needs to be rubbished like what has come out on the news about Dumb Dumb Abbott but you'll find out what that is over the next couple of days god dam A hole that Abbott |
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