They caught up with one of those doing the assault and negotiated with him, guess what race? I don't condone what went down but, if he had been African-American it would have been suicide by cop - no negotiations, a cop jumping on a hood and pumping a couple of hundred shots into the windshield. BUT, since it was a armored van, they might have had a rocket launcher handy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting_n_7575378.html

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

They caught up with one of those doing the assault and negotiated with him, guess what race? I don't condone what went down but, if he had been African-American it would have been suicide by cop - no negotiations, a cop jumping on a hood and pumping a couple of hundred shots into the windshield. BUT, since it was a armored van, they might have had a rocket launcher handy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/dallas-police-shooting_n_7575378.html

We do understand the Foundation your argument that Whites are (fill-in the negative).

No different than posting: Jews are..., Asians are..., Blacks are..., Women are..., Gays are..., Men are... etc.

Imagine a Poster stating they were Black, therefore (fill-in the negative). It would be understood to be a KKK/Nazi/Right Wing Poster.

There no Acceptable Bigotry, among non-bigots.

Who said anything about bigotry? All I did was make a statement about reality as it exists in this country on this day. It is a comparison between what happened in Dallas and what happened in Cleveland when a car backfired in front of a PD HQ - nothing more.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

Update! Suspect was shot by PD sniper - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dallas-shooting-suspect_n_7575796.html

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

Update! Suspect was shot by PD sniper - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dallas-shooting-suspect_n_7575796.html

Police are checking to see if the suspect was killed, Dallas Police Chief David Brown told the AP.
Surely that only takes three seconds.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Update! Suspect was shot by PD sniper - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/13/james-boulware-dallas-shooting-suspect_n_7575796.html

Police are checking to see if the suspect was killed, Dallas Police Chief David Brown told the AP.
Surely that only takes three seconds.

Might take three days. After all, he could be bobby trapped.

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So how did another nutcase get his hands on weapons and the equipment to build pipe bomb seeing as there is now gun control ? or at least some have told us there is now gun control , doesn't sound like it's very good gun control thou for this to happen .

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I believe you will find that it is up to each state to decide it's own laws on guns.

Here are the laws for Texas.

Texas Gun Laws

Not terribly restrictive. So your question is moot, you don't need a license for a gun.

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Bernie i figured you don't one in Texas . I'm throwing words back at the persons face whom said they had gun laws . In other words i'm being sarcastic at the gun lobby and those whom make excuses why they don't need gun control , it there so called gun laws are a joke .

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Since when do criminals care about laws?

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NX what has just happen'd in Texas could not happen in ozz we have gun laws it's very hard to get a gun and ammo so laws would stop this type of thing from happening simple .

So your question is mute

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Bernie i figured you don't one in Texas . I'm throwing words back at the persons face whom said they had gun laws . In other words i'm being sarcastic at the gun lobby and those whom make excuses why they don't need gun control , it there so called gun laws are a joke .

States decided on local laws and in some states there is gun control in others there is not, you cannot judge America on one state.

So what you are saying is that it is totally impossible in Australia, for a criminal to get hold of a gun or explosives that there are no illegal guns anywhere.

Nice to see that you are so perfect.

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No Bernie i am not saying crim can't get guns they can but it's very hard . You can't tell me this guy was a big bad criminal or he would have been in jail by now .

As for explosives no you can't get explosives like Ammonia nitrate to make pipe bombs .

No you can't buy gunpowder either with out a licence and you have any idea how many shops sell guns or gunpowder in . Not many in fact i knew of only 1 shop in all off Sydney you could and i think that has now closed .

So there is no way what happen'd in Texas could happen here .

Even that nutter that took over the lynt cafe only had a very old shootgun and he didn't have many rounds .

it's just to easy in the states to get them and you do need the whole country to have the same laws as we have had to do .

Remember we to have states that can make there own laws on guns but we are not stupid like the Americans as we got all the states to change there laws to be the same .

You can longer go interstate to buy a weapon which you could up until John Howard changed the laws back in the mid 90's

So i do brush all Americans with the same brush over gun laws

Edit : The laws about chem's was also changed buy Howard back in the 90's before that you could buy Ammonia nitrate in 25 kg bags so you can't even buy the right chem's without jumping through a lot off hoops

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Well it seems that you in fact can own a gun in Austrila

As of 2007 about 5.2% of Australian adults (765,000 people) own and use firearms for purposes such as hunting, controlling feral animals, collecting, security work, and target shooting.

Also this from last October

About 260,000 guns are on the Australian “grey” or black markets, an inquiry into illicit firearms has heard. They belong to people who did not register them after the stricter gun laws came in in 1996, or people had bought them illegally.

So with 260,000 unlicensed firearms out there I think that probably it might just be possible for it to happen there.

It isn't only guns that make it less likely to happen in Australia, there are many more and complex social reasons, so whilst I do not support for one minute the need to carry a gun, I support the right of any free country to decide they do. It is up to the people and up to them to realise the consequences.

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Very strict gun laws here in Austria, still criminals do have firearms. Iguess you can get a gun in every country of the world if you want. You can probably even order it on the Net if you know how to use tor and bitcoins. Ofc its easier to get a gun in texas but I don't think theres much correlation between gun laws and crime rate, otherwise Cali would have one of the lowest crime rates in the US. Granted, thats maybe not the best example, but I know that there are international studies that came to the same conclusion.

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Bernie i have never said you can't buy guns you can but you must be licenced and that is not so easy .

And yes i do know there is about 250,000 guns but compeared to our population of only 22 million i say i can't happen , also those guns are not Assult rifles they are semi auto and most would be rifles not hand guns .

Gun Control does not mean all guns are banned or that they should all be illegal what it means is you have to prove you are the right person to have one and to limit damage from them .

It's the limiting of damage that they can do that people need to understand not that you will stop all murders as you can't but you can limit how many people die and i'm afraid 50,000 per year and 15,000 children get killed in the states that's a hugh amount of people so let's put this in some context shall we

Year Death Vehicle miles travelled (billions) Fatalities per 100 million VMT Population Fatalities per 100,000 population Change (in percent)
1899 26[3]
1900 36 76,094,000 0.047 NA
1901 54 77,584,000 0.070 negative increase47.12%
1902 79 79,163,000 0.100 negative increase43.38%
1903 117 80,632,000 0.145 negative increase45.40%
1904 172 82,166,000 0.209 negative increase44.26%
1905 252 83,822,000 0.301 negative increase43.62%
1906 338 85,450,000 0.396 negative increase31.57%
1907 581 87,008,000 0.668 negative increase68.82%
1908 751 88,710,000 0.847 negative increase26.78%
1909 1,174 90,490,000 1.297 negative increase53.25%
1910 1,599 92,407,000 1.730 negative increase33.38%
1911 2,043 93,863,000 2.177 negative increase25.79%
1912 2,968 95,335,000 3.113 negative increase43.03%
1913 4,079 97,225,000 4.195 negative increase34.76%
1914 4,468 99,111,000 4.508 negative increase7.45%
1915 6,779 100,546,000 6.742 negative increase49.56%
1916 7,766 101,961,000 7.617 negative increase12.97%
1917 9,630 103,268,000 9.325 negative increase22.43%
1918 10,390 103,208,000 10.067 negative increase7.95%
1919 10,896 104,514,000 10.425 negative increase3.56%
1920 12,155 106,461,000 11.417 negative increase9.51%
1921 13,253 55.03 24.09 108,538,000 12.210 negative increase6.95%
1922 14,859 67.70 21.95 110,049,000 13.502 negative increase10.58%
1923 17,870 85.00 21.03 111,947,000 15.963 negative increase18.22%
1924 18,400 104.84 17.55 114,109,000 16.125 negative increase1.01%
1925 20,771 122.35 16.98 115,829,000 17.932 negative increase11.21%
1926 22,194 140.74 15.77 117,397,000 18.905 negative increase5.42%
1927 24,470 158.45 15.44 119,035,000 20.557 negative increase8.74%
1928 26,557 172.86 15.36 120,509,000 22.037 negative increase7.20%
1929 29,592 197.72 14.97 121,767,000 24.302 negative increase10.28%
1930 31,204 206.32 15.12 123,076,741 25.353 negative increase4.33%
1931 31,963 216.15 14.79 124,039,648 25.768 negative increase1.64%
1932 27,979 200.52 13.95 124,840,471 22.412 positive decrease-13.03%
1933 29,746 200.64 14.83 125,578,763 23.687 negative increase5.69%
1934 34,240 215.56 15.88 126,373,773 27.094 negative increase14.38%
1935 34,494 228.57 15.09 127,250,232 27.107 negative increase0.05%
1936 36,126 252.13 14.33 128,053,180 28.212 negative increase4.07%
1937 37,819 270.11 14.00 128,824,829 29.357 negative increase4.06%
1938 31,083 271.18 11.46 129,824,939 23.942 positive decrease-18.44%
1939 30,895 285.40 10.83 130,879,718 23.606 positive decrease-1.41%
1940 32,914 302.19 10.89 132,122,446 24.912 negative increase5.53%
1941 38,142 333.61 11.43 133,402,471 28.592 negative increase14.77%
1942 27,007 268.22 10.07 134,859,553 20.026 positive decrease-29.96%
1943 22,727 208.19 10.92 136,739,353 16.621 positive decrease-17.00%
1944 23,165 212.71 10.89 138,397,345 16.738 negative increase0.71%
1945 26,785 250.17 10.71 139,928,165 19.142 negative increase14.36%
1946 31,874 340.88 9.35 141,388,566 22.544 negative increase17.77%
1947 31,193 370.89 8.41 144,126,071 21.643 positive decrease-4.00%
1948 30,775 397.96 7.73 146,631,302 20.988 positive decrease-3.03%
1949 30,246 424.46 7.13 149,188,130 20.274 positive decrease-3.40%
1950 33,186 458.25 7.24 152,271,417 21.794 negative increase7.50%
1951 35,309 491.09 7.19 154,877,889 22.798 negative increase4.61%
1952 36,088 513.58 7.03 157,552,740 22.905 negative increase0.47%
1953 36,190 544.43 6.65 160,184,192 22.593 positive decrease-1.36%
1954 33,890 561.96 6.03 163,025,854 20.788 positive decrease-7.99%
1955 36,688 605.65 6.06 165,931,202 22.110 negative increase6.36%
1956 37,965 627.84 6.05 168,903,031 22.477 negative increase1.66%
1957 36,932 647.00 5.71 171,984,130 21.474 positive decrease-4.46%
1958 35,331 664.65 5.32 174,881,904 20.203 positive decrease-5.92%
1959 36,223 700.48 5.17 177,829,628 20.369 negative increase0.83%
1960 36,399 718.76 5.06 180,671,158 20.147 positive decrease-1.09%
1961 36,285 737.42 4.92 183,691,481 19.753 positive decrease-1.95%
1962 38,980 766.73 5.08 186,537,737 20.897 negative increase5.79%
1963 41,723 805.25 5.18 189,241,798 22.047 negative increase5.51%
1964 45,645 846.30 5.39 191,888,791 23.787 negative increase7.89%
1965 47,089 887.81 5.30 194,302,963 24.235 negative increase1.88%
1966 50,894 925.90 5.50 196,560,338 25.892 negative increase6.84%
1967 50,724 964.01 5.26 198,712,056 25.526 positive decrease-1.41%
1968 52,725 1,015.87 5.19 200,706,052 26.270 negative increase2.91%
1969 53,543 1,061.79 5.04 202,676,946 26.418 negative increase0.56%
1970 52,627 1,109.72 4.74 205,052,174 25.665 positive decrease-2.85%
1971 52,542 1,178.81 4.46 207,660,677 25.302 positive decrease-1.42%
1972 54,589 1,259.79 4.33 209,896,021 26.008 negative increase2.79%
1973 54,052 1,313.11 4.12 211,908,788 25.507 positive decrease-1.92%
1974 45,196 1,280.54 3.53 213,853,928 21.134 positive decrease-17.14%
1975 44,525 1,327.66 3.35 215,973,199 20.616 positive decrease-2.45%
1976 45,523 1,402.38 3.25 218,035,164 20.879 negative increase1.27%
1977 47,878 1,467.03 3.26 220,239,425 21.739 negative increase4.12%
1978 50,331 1,544.70 3.26 222,584,545 22.612 negative increase4.02%
1979 51,093 1,529.13 3.34 225,055,487 22.702 negative increase0.40%
1980 51,091 1,527.30 3.35 227,224,681 22.485 positive decrease-0.96%
1981 49,301 1,552.80 3.18 229,465,714 21.485 positive decrease-4.45%
1982 43,945 1,595.01 2.76 231,664,458 18.969 positive decrease-11.71%
1983 42,589 1,652.79 2.58 233,791,994 18.217 positive decrease-3.97%
1984 44,257 1,720.27 2.57 235,824,902 18.767 negative increase3.02%
1985 43,825 1,774.18 2.47 237,923,795 18.420 positive decrease-1.85%
1986 46,087 1,834.87 2.51 240,132,887 19.192 negative increase4.19%
1987 46,390 1,921.20 2.42 242,288,918 19.147 positive decrease-0.24%
1988 47,087 2,025.96 2.32 244,498,982 19.259 negative increase0.58%
1989 45,582 2,096.46 2.17 246,819,230 18.468 positive decrease-4.11%
1990 44,599 2,144.36 2.08 249,464,396 17.878 positive decrease-3.19%
1991 41,508 2,172.05 1.91 252,153,092 16.461 positive decrease-7.92%
1992 39,250 2,247.15 1.75 255,029,699 15.390 positive decrease-6.51%
1993 40,150 2,296.38 1.75 257,782,608 15.575 negative increase1.20%
1994 40,716 2,358 1.73 260,327,021 15.6403 negative increase0.42%
1995 41,817 2,423 1.73 262,803,276 15.9119 negative increase1.74%
1996 42,065 2,486 1.69 265,228,572 15.8599 positive decrease-0.33%
1997 42,013 2,562 1.64 267,783,607 15.6892 positive decrease-1.08%
1998 41,501 2,632 1.58 270,248,003 15.3566 positive decrease-2.12%
1999 41,717 2,691 1.55 272,690,813 15.2983 positive decrease-0.38%
2000 41,945 2,747 1.53 282,216,952 14.8627 positive decrease-2.85%
2001[2] 42,196 2,797 1.51 285,226,284 14.81 positive decrease-0.46%
2002 43,005 2,856 1.51 288,125,973 14.95 negative increase0.89%
2003 42,884 2,890 1.48 290,796,023 14.78 positive decrease-1.75%
2004 42,836 2,965 1.44 293,638,158 14.63 positive decrease-0.52%
2005 43,510 2,989 1.46 296,507,061 14.72 negative increase0.44%
2006 42,708 3,014 1.42 299,398,484 14.31 positive decrease-2.79%
2007 41,259 3,031 1.36 301,139,947 13.70 positive decrease-3.85%
2008 37,423 2,977 1.26 303,824,640 12.31 positive decrease-11.0%
2009 33,883 2,957 1.15 306,700,000 11.05 positive decrease-9.7%
2010[2] 32,999 2,967 1.11 309,326,000 10.668 positive decrease-3.5%
2011[4] 32,479 2,950 1.10 311,588,000 10.424 positive decrease-2.3%
2012[1] 33,561 2,969 1.13 313,914,000 10.691 negative increase2.6%
2013[5] 32,719 2,946 1.11 316,129,000 10.345 positive decrease-3.3%

death's from car accidents year by years in America 2013 = 32,719 less than what is killed by guns

2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S

If they where not so stupid with gun laws maybe this would drop by 80% with true gun laws and i'm being very concevative it will be more like 95% less deaths with gun control or keep doing what you are and more people will die than are killed on the roads and yet how many laws are there for driving .

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If they where not so stupid with gun laws maybe this would drop by 80% with true gun laws and i'm being very concevative it will be more like 95% less deaths with gun control or keep doing what you are and more people will die than are killed on the roads and yet how many laws are there for driving .

You live in Australia, a perfect country we all know.

However it is not up to you to tell others countries how to live or formulate their laws.

America has guns, people are killed by guns daily, and of course the two are always linked.

Many Americans will fight to keep their right as set out in the constitution.

In the United States, with an English common law tradition, a long-standing common law right to keep and bear arms has been recognized as existing prior even to the creation of a written national constitution. In the United States, the right to keep and bear arms is also an enumerated right specifically protected by the U.S. Constitution and many state constitutions such that people have a personal right to own arms for individual use, and a right to bear these same arms both for personal protection and for use in a militia. The right to keep and bear arms is codified in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

Not sure how many of the 318 million Americans would vote to scrap that.

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What i find wierd about that last post is this

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

It's a joke right ! A well regulated militia . MM how can you have a well "REGULATED" , how can you regulate with out there being some kind of law and how can you not infringe that right if you do make some kind of law .

sound totally stupid to me .

besides Bernie you live in England so do you wish the laws are what they are in America ?

Sounds a bit hypocritical of you seeing as England does have gun laws I believe.

Or you saying , as you live in a perfect country i should not say or express what i think about what guns laws are in other country's .

It's called free speech

Good men should speak up or you end up with NAZI's and the Holocast because good men said nothing and let the bad things happen

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No Bernie i am not saying crim can't get guns they can but it's very hard . You can't tell me this guy was a big bad criminal or he would have been in jail by now .

As for explosives no you can't get explosives like Ammonia nitrate to make pipe bombs .

No you can't buy gunpowder either with out a licence and you have any idea how many shops sell guns or gunpowder in . Not many in fact i knew of only 1 shop in all off Sydney you could and i think that has now closed .

So there is no way what happen'd in Texas could happen here .

Even that nutter that took over the lynt cafe only had a very old shootgun and he didn't have many rounds .

it's just to easy in the states to get them and you do need the whole country to have the same laws as we have had to do .

Remember we to have states that can make there own laws on guns but we are not stupid like the Americans as we got all the states to change there laws to be the same .

You can longer go interstate to buy a weapon which you could up until John Howard changed the laws back in the mid 90's

So i do brush all Americans with the same brush over gun laws

Edit : The laws about chem's was also changed buy Howard back in the 90's before that you could buy Ammonia nitrate in 25 kg bags so you can't even buy the right chem's without jumping through a lot off hoops

Glenn,

Why are you ragging on the USA so? Do you hate us so much?

Explosives are EASY to get. Your example of Ammonium Nitrate... It is FERTILIZER. I used to, back in the 1970s buy it by the 2.5 ton (about 2300kg) load (2 or 3 loads a day) to spread on my dad's farm. Granted it is a little more difficult to do now since the OK City bombing back in the 1990s, but it is still easy to get enough over a period of time to do some serious damage. And this is just Ammonium Nitrate, a low-grade explosive. Other explosives (especially high explosives like nitroglycerine and TNT) are easy to synthesize out of commonly available chemicals by anyone with a moderate knowledge of chemistry. Even black powder (one of the first explosives discovered) can be made with very little trouble. All it takes is enough advance planning to accumulate enough over a period of time to avoid being flagged. You are not going to stop explosives by someone determined enough to want/use them. Just look at all the IEDs used in war zones like Iraq. Where there is a will, there is a way -- legal or not.

Gun control. I will say this again... We HAVE gun control laws in the USA. What firearms are legal and who can own them are regulated at both the Federal and State levels, with even some Cities getting into the act. But, guess what... NONE of this matters to someone wanting to use firearms in illegal activity. They are NOT going to go buy their guns legally. They will get them through other means, in large part guns smuggled into the country and bought on the black market.

As I have said before, the borders of the USA are EXTREMELY porous. We have about 20,000 miles of land borders and coastline. Also, we have only about 20,000 people working for the Border patrol. Some of these are administrative positions. The field agents are responsible for coverage 24 hours a day, every day. It is dirt EASY to smuggle stuff into the USA, by boat, tunnel, airplane, and even just walking across the border. Proof? Look at all the illegal drugs smuggled in, as well as all the 'illegals' that sneak into this country. How did things get this way? The 'illegals' sneaking in are seen by the left as a source of new voters and by the right as a source of CHEAP labor. No, the USA sadly has lost control of border security, with precious little prospects of regaining it anytime soon.

You also imply that Texas is somehow sill in 'wild wild west' mode when it comes to firearms. 14 States and the District of Columbia (our Federal Capital city) have higher rates of Gun Murders per 100,000 inhabitants than Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state (sort on rightmost column)

29 States have higher rates of Gun Ownership per 100,000 inhabitants than Texas.
http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2012Factors/a/Gun-Owners-As-Percentage-Of-Each-States-Population.htm

As to 'open carry', Texas is not the first or only state to have an open carry law. All that HB 910 did was to allow holders of concealed-carry licenses to open-carry in places that they already could concealed-carry... only.

You STILL need to have a concealed-carry license, which means you have to pass a background check, and pass a training class. That said, I am not sure how I feel about open-carry (I do have some misgivings about it), and I am not sure if it will survive the inevitable court challenge. Time will tell.

Bernie i have never said you can't buy guns you can but you must be licenced and that is not so easy .

Hang on Glenn.
In Europe it's more easy to buy an illegal weapon than a legal one.
If you want a Kalashnikov go to Tallin Estonia.
If you want a hand gun go to the Balcan States.

NO mate just getting sick of the news story's about another freaking gunman gone crazy and the bloody excuses all the dam time .

What get me Kong is you are not stupid people but do act like it .

I get sick of hearing we have gun laws and the next thing you know another nutcase has got hold of a weapon gone on a shooting spree

And then there ends up being anouther thread about another shooting and to say anything , YOU HATE America i don't

Remember i do rubbish my own country when it needs to be rubbished like what has come out on the news about Dumb Dumb Abbott but you'll find out what that is over the next couple of days god dam A hole that Abbott

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