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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The Conservatives have won the UK 2015 General Election pretty convincingly. No, its 5 more years of a worthless economic policy following a model that has been demonstratively proven to be unstable and unfair. No, because Cameron is a pretty worthless leader, and related to your third question, the UK will likely become more federalist, giving greater autonomy to Scotland and Wales. On top of that we get the referendum about the EU which could lead to a Brexit which will significantly weaken the UK's position in the world in both economic and political terms. |
Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
Not a good thing for the UK, but good for the Tories and their shady friends. I suppose we'll see the usual raft of assets being flogged cheaply to their mates, more skullduggery from the financial institutions (as we often see when the Cons get in), increasing privatisation creep into the NHS, more cuts and the wealthy becoming wealthier! The SNP landslide in Scotland, can only weaken the UK, but to me, what the SNP vote really does highlight, is our voting system. The Green Party polled 1.1 million votes and the SNP 1.45 million and have 1 seat to show for it, against 56 for the SNP! The Lid-Dems got some 2.32 million votes and have 8 seats, whereas UKIP gained some 3.78 million votes and have 1 seat! At the time of writing, the Tories had some 11 million votes and 321 seats and this is called democracy? Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Milliband has now resigned, all three gone ..... That's not good. That's the next 12 months with the "Smug One" having a free ride. I think I agree. Has the general public over reacted with their voting? I'll discuss in the other thread. The "$$$$$" has spoken! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I was checking out today's XKCD comic and I thought of this thread. Perhaps the levity will be appreciated? This post from Ozzfan sums it up. I am pretty sure the SNP would have done even better had people in England been able to vote for them. (for those of you that don't know or have forgotten, the English throne is sat over the Stone of Scone, which is actually Scottish and stolen from Scotland.) Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Could it happen? "This, then, was David Cameron's day. But it was one other leader's too - the woman who didn't even run in this election but dominated it - Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon All that remains to be seen is how - whether - these two can live together or whether he becomes the last ever PM of a United Kingdom and she the first ever leader of an independent Scotland." |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good post. However, have you stopped to think that was what Sturgeon wanted? Tories in Westminster & Labour out of Scotland? You may be right about the Lib-Dems administration for 2010/15, but I don't think many will be looking back that far... ...it'll be 2015/20 - the last government of a united kingdom. Cameron may be the right man at this time but he has a lot of work ahead of him - if he continues like he has for the past 5 years, you can say goodbye to the UK in 2020. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
To us scandinavians English politicians has very funny names. Salmond, Sturgeon and Mr Clegg. If someone would be named Janne Cod, it means Janne BIG Looser. Janne Clegg something like Janne Sticky Slime. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
To us scandinavians English politicians has very funny names. HeHeHe. But I'm not a politician. However my grandfather and his father was... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Don't you mean England & Wales? She wanted the Tories out? Are you sure about that? Have you ever known a politician to state the "exact" truth? She can't lose! Cameron doesn't give her what she wants, up comes the threat of another referendum, only this time around it carries a heavier weight than the last one. Cameron knows that could be the end of Britain so gives in. Instead of thinking of the 12 seat majority, Cameron will be thinking this weekend of what the Tories could achieve if they had what she got - 56 from 59, lovely majority don't you think? Sturgeon a threat to England? Think you got that wrong - Scotland is the threat & the proof is in the pudding 56 from 59 |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14653 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
It does seem ironic that we are celebrating VE day just 24 hours after electing a government pledged to hold a referendum - on withdrawing from the institution set up specifically to reduce the risk of yet another European war. Chris mentioned 'strong government' yesterday: it was a strong, democratically elected, government (in Germany) that sparked off World War II in the first place. I don't think we should forget the links between politics and war. I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London, and I'd invite anyone who has access (that link is possibly UK only) to do the same. The programme is usually a thoughtful perspective on world affairs from the viewpoint of non-British correspondents based in London, but this week's special was devoted to UK politics - much to the bemusement of the French and USA journalists present. The likely outcome over the next five years - and I agree with the panelists - is: * A UK referendum to leave the EU, which is carried by English votes. * A Scottish referendum to leave the UK, which is carried overwhelmingly this time. * The independent Scotland applies for, and is granted, membership of the EU. So, the 'immigration line' for EU membership becomes the English-Scottish border - not quite Hadrian's Wall mark II, because the modern border runs somewhat further north, but similar. The implications are horrendous: read up on the history of Carlisle and the Border Reivers. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London, and I'd invite anyone who has access (that link is possibly UK only) to do the same. Yes only for UK Viewer. However I can read this http://www.bbc.com/ With videos:) |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14653 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London, and I'd invite anyone who has access (that link is possibly UK only) to do the same. The BBC is strange like that - you can't see bbc.co.uk, and I can't see bbc.com I wonder if the news is the same on both sides of the iron curtain? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The BBC is strange like that - you can't see bbc.co.uk, and I can't see bbc.com What::):) Come to Think about it. There are many UK Citizen who are abroad. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14653 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
The BBC is strange like that - you can't see bbc.co.uk, and I can't see bbc.com Just a small foretaste of things to come. At the moment, I think the justification is commercial, rather than political, but that could - oh so easily - change. And yes, when I take my laptop overseas, I can only reach bbc.com - the links automatically redirect to the opposite domain, in both directions. I think it depends on IP address, rather than domicile or citizenship, so it might be circumvented by using a VPN or proxy server with a UK-registered IP gateway. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
It might be circumvented by using a VPN or proxy server with a UK-registered IP gateway. Yes. I have even watched some BBC Comedy shows and Horizon. But for some reason it doesnt work anymore. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I've just been watching the BBC's Dateline London. Thanks for the link. That was interesting. Stryker McGuire brought up what I've previously said : Perception. The Tories have been perceived as the party of the rich & Labour perceived as the party of risk. If that perception is valid, I did not know that there are that many rich people in the UK. I felt that the French correspondent to be rudely arrogant - Greece is a small country? it's all countries that make up the EU, to differentiate on the country's size is part of the issue that will cause to EU to fall. Back to the UK... ...as I previously stated, the next 5 years will be crucial, the question is: - Will the Tories see that or just like 1992, will they fail to? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
That is NATO not the EU. What? EU has nothing with NATO to do. Many EU countries are members of NATO. Some are not. For instance Sweden and Finland, both EU members. Norway is a member of NATO but not EU. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Conclusion: Mr Chris S. does not gather the difference between EU and NATO. If that would be a general British case, well that might explain a thing or two. Sorry Chris, after what you have been stating this year with regards to the politics board, posts like that definitely do not help your case. You have created an interesting thread, so why ruin it? |
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