Soooo, we all know who They are, don't we?

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Soooo, we all know who They are, don't we?

Yes:) The public meaning all internet users.
NSA, GHCQ and FRA have a lot of informers...
Almost like good old STASI times:)

One thing that disturbed me was the spider web nature of their snooping. For example, they have a warrant to listen in on person A, when that person calls person B and says something potentially incriminating then they add person B to the list. Person C calls person A and mentions that person B told him something about a specific activity so now they are listening to person C's communications and so it grows.

They for the most part don't actually listen to what you say during a phone call. They just record the meta data (who did you call, how long did you call, where were you both located when you called). Still, you can deduce quite a bit of private information from that meta data.

They do have records of a lot of your internet activity. The moment the data you send over the internet goes outside of US borders, it gets collected. And trust me, a lot of data goes all over the world, even if the person you send it too is located in the US. Also, you don't even have to be a suspect of anything for this information to be collected. It happens to everyone.

Soooo, we all know who They are, don't we?

Yes:) The public meaning all internet users.
NSA, GHCQ and FRA have a lot of informers...
Almost like good old STASI times:)

I was referring to a post Clyde made a few days ago but can't remember which thread..

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They do have records of a lot of your internet activity. The moment the data you send over the internet goes outside of US borders, it gets collected. And trust me, a lot of data goes all over the world, even if the person you send it too is located in the US. Also, you don't even have to be a suspect of anything for this information to be collected. It happens to everyone.

In our country its not FRA (Swedish NSA) that collect metadata.
EVERY phone and ISP has to store the metadata for at least 2 years.
Envoices for 10 years.
Swedish laws:)

btw NSA has full access to this Swedish metadata.
How? They just pick up the phone and ask FRA for it:)
Why? ....
Do FRA have access to NSA metadata?
You know the answer:)

Soooo, we all know who They are, don't we?

They... Are Us.

Give Fallible Humans 'The Power', and it will turn bad.

As History Instructs, and Human Nature Shows.

Not agreed.

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Soooo, we all know who They are, don't we?

They... Are Us.

Give Fallible Humans 'The Power', and it will turn bad.

As History Instructs, and Human Nature Shows.

Not agreed.

Understand.

However... Even if one starts with a Perfect System (impossible), and somehow can Always put Good People in 'Positions' (impossible):

History shows that eventually,The Bad will Take 'The Power'.

Good Intentions are meaningless. :(

Sorry.

Again, not agreed. The Good Will prevail! It was the first force, and it will be the last. the bad will only 'win' when or rather 'if' the messengers of the good do nothing.

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Again, not agreed. The Good Will prevail! It was the first force, and it will be the last. the bad will only 'win' when the good do nothing.

Understand... But -

'The Bad' counts upon the following, to Defeat 'The Good':

Ethics and Morality.

The Bad have none. They will use Any tactics, including Murder of Innocents, to take and consolidate 'The Power'.

The Good, because they are Good, will not, at least initially, use these tactics.

By the time The Good understands they have to use similar tactics to defeat 'Bad': It is usually too late.

History instructs that many of the methods 'Good' uses to defeat 'Bad', are...

I completely understand, but the power of the good is much stronger than the bad because it's real. Evil uses deception, hallucinations etc.. But it isn't reality. I see through evil with my eyes closed. A strong mental shield for the good is the message here.

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Again, not agreed. The Good Will prevail! It was the first force, and it will be the last. the bad will only 'win' when the good do nothing.

Understand... But -

'The Bad' counts upon the following, to Defeat 'The Good':

Ethics and Morality.

The Bad have none. They will use Any tactics, including Murder of Innocents, to take and consolidate 'The Power'.

The Good, because they are Good, will not, at least initially, use these tactics.

By the time The Good understands they have to use similar tactics to defeat 'Bad': It is usually too late.

History instructs that many of the methods 'Good' uses to defeat 'Bad', are...

I completely understand, but the power of the good is much stronger than the bad because it's real. Evil uses deception, hallucinations etc.. But it isn't reality. I see through evil with my eyes closed.

Correct. Most can see Evil. But will not use the methods necessary, at least initially, to stop it.

Good Intentions are not enough.

It's akin to bringing a Bible, to a 'Gun Fight'.

Of course not! We need as much POWER as we can! Money has no value here.

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Again, not agreed. The Good Will prevail! It was the first force, and it will be the last. the bad will only 'win' when the good do nothing.

Understand... But -

'The Bad' counts upon the following, to Defeat 'The Good':

Ethics and Morality.

The Bad have none. They will use Any tactics, including Murder of Innocents, to take and consolidate 'The Power'.

The Good, because they are Good, will not, at least initially, use these tactics.

By the time The Good understands they have to use similar tactics to defeat 'Bad': It is usually too late.

History instructs that many of the methods 'Good' uses to defeat 'Bad', are...

I completely understand, but the power of the good is much stronger than the bad because it's real. Evil uses deception, hallucinations etc.. But it isn't reality. I see through evil with my eyes closed.

Correct. Most can see Evil. But will not use the methods necessary, at least initially, to stop it.

Good Intentions are not enough.

It's akin to bringing a Bible, to a 'Gun Fight'.

Of course not! We need as much POWER as we can! Money has no value here.

Correct about POWER. It is 'Who has the Bigger Gun', which wins.

Do we agree, to disagree?

Yes. A big mental gun is the top of the pops, it's what makes the übermensch.

https://ersatzpublishing.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/the-ubermensch-and-the-underdog/

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Interresting "talk" about Evil and Good.
Are NSA or FRA Evil or Good?

In England (GHCQ) they have Dr Evil of course...

Interresting "talk" about Evil and Good.
Are NSA or FRA Evil or Good?

In England (GHCQ) they have Dr Evil of course...

Shouldn't take it That light-hearted, Janne..

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Interresting "talk" about Evil and Good.
Are NSA or FRA Evil or Good?
In England (GHCQ) they have Dr Evil of course...

Shouldn't take it That light-hearted, Janne..

Why not?

Interresting "talk" about Evil and Good.
Are NSA or FRA Evil or Good?
In England (GHCQ) they have Dr Evil of course...

Shouldn't take it That light-hearted, Janne..

Why not?

I speak from experience, being quite active in the spiritual world. Lots of 'activities' out there.

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Was the current discussion about the National Security Agency, or not?

This discussion may have seem to have come a little off its tracks.

Because the United States is supposed to be a democracy, it is therefore supposed to have its leaders chosen by means of elections.

Meaning that it is governed by its people and not some dirty business which may also be around at times.

Some countries are having constitutional monarchies. They are being ruled by a King or Queen as the head of state.

Regardless of who is in charge, law and order is being maintained by means of the police and justice system.

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, which should not be discussed further here, because it has possible powers outside its national border, is like the NSA having a powerful intelligence capability by means of information collection as well as eavesdropping.

Part of this eavesdropping or listening in practice is also the constant playgame related to espionage and those political tricks which may be carried out at times.

At times such things becomes almost satirical, giving room for a laugh which you may choose to hide a little.

This for the sake of the people of the country and the political and financial institutions and infrastructure, including both public as well as private businesses and industries.

Everyone should know that the NSA also is about the handling and storage of important and valuable communications as well as the constant research into the subject field of cryptological research and maintenance of such data as well as information gathering being carried out as well.

In today's Internet world, where the World Wide Web is the main part or function, security is still being maintained by means of numbers. Certain numbers, called prime numbers, or factors may be multiplied with each other and where the factors are either equal in size or being at least of some size (more than 100-200 digits), such numbers when combined or multiplied with each other become almost impossible to factorize.

In my opinion, you should really take numbers for what they are supposed to be and nothing more. Numbers are not supposed to be the same as valuable information which needs a strong encryption (by means of coding a message that is not only being numbers themselves) in order to be protected from intruders through either unauthorized access to such data, or that mentioned espionage thing which is supposed to be a game.

Some countries are having constitutional monarchies. They are being ruled by a King or Queen as the head of state.
Regardless of who is in charge, law and order is being maintained by means of the police and justice system.

Giggle. What King or Queen in the western World are ruling their country?

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, which should not be discussed further here, because it has possible powers outside its national border, is like the NSA having a powerful intelligence capability by means of information collection as well as eavesdropping

Why not?
EVERY country are eavesdropping at each others.
Alice and Bob are eavesdropped by Eve:)

"Åh, jäcklor" (meant for JanneSeti only and within a given context).

Remember it is Sunday today.

You should well know that both you as well as me too soon are out of here when it comes to certain or specific opinions or meanings. In fact I am somewhat surprised that noone has not knocked on your door until now. The same thing goes with at least one other poster here who is making Seti@home a discussion forum for politics and not what it is meant to be.

Edit: Reading through, I will retreat a little bit here.

Which science? I may perhaps ask. This question is not anything new either.

If I had a car, I could go to Østersund for the shopping of whiskey and cognac (but not vodka). Keep away from the stuff while you are driving.

But then you need to add to it the price of petrol for your car.

Anyway, everyone knows that the head of state of my country is the King.

He is not wearing a uniform and is not as upright in physical position or attitude as his father or grandfather, but in the end this is the way monarchies (including constitutional monarchies) are supposed to be working.

And by writing the paragraph above, I am now able to recall or remember the very important point which I forgot to say previously, namely that about my country as well as a couple of others being governed by the democratic system principle called parlamentiarism.

This way of democratic leadership is as far away from dictatorships and autocracy which you may get. The important point is that such a way of dealing with conflicts and crises should not imply chaos or anarchy either. At certain times a strong leadership is needed in order to solve such problems when they arise.

Even a president may be able to understand such a thing.

Seems like you have been to a Nordic country:)
Anyway too late in the evening now.
I will respond later...

Apparently yes so and maybe I may disagree with you as well.

You are giving a reference to the Bible and also mentioning "Evil" in the same posting.

One part of the Bible is about "Revelations". You may think about such a part of the Bible being kind of a pseudo-philosophical one, but whether or not you are supposed to be having an encounter with the spiritual, being it either God (or at least an angel) or the Devil, it only becomes an experience of the mind.

Such an experience is never going to materialize into any physical event. It only becomes an experience related to your mind.

Therefore it should be no reason to attribute such experiences you may have to the physical world we are part of.

These things may be real when they are happening, but for now they can not be readily explained by means of physical evidence or proven facts.

Anyway, before I sign off here with my second beer, I could add a little more since I now have read most of the contents of this thread.

I was watching a YouTube video a couple of nights ago regarding the events of September 11, 2001.

What a sad and remorseful day for the United States.

In this video, there was among other things a lot of people slowly moving away a short cut showing a man lying in the street, possibly suffering from a heart attack.

There also were a couple of ladies shoes lying on the ground. Besides the shoes were red spots of what easily could be regarded as being hot-dog ketchup.

Again, do not think you are right when it comes to making conclusions regarding certain things being visible.

As I have mentioned or stated here before, it is not up to me at reaching any conclusions when it comes to certain things which may be related to this project. This does not necessarily mean I am totally out or lost when it comes to this stuff either.

Good night!