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Message 1662154 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 2:35:11 UTC

Clearly, he means Obama.

So, both Obama himself and Jon Stewart slay Obama in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViLWT1Xz--E.

Young Turks cry tears over their disappointing lib Prez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRlfyR4v0rE.

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Message 1662283 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 11:03:50 UTC - in response to Message 1662218.  
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I have always thought that Obama is unpopular because deep down, many Americans can't stand the thought of a black man in the white house. But it's very non-pc to say so. Some of his policies are not popular as well it has to be said, like this medical care business. I think the world still considers John Kennedy as one of the great presidents of modern times, but at one point the Kennedy family almost controlled the whole of America, hence the conspiracy theories surrounding his death. I quite liked Carter and Ford.


Hi Chris.

I can't speak for EVERY US Citizen. Undoubtedly, there are a few that oppose Obama due to his race.

But, for myself, my opposition to Obama has everything to do with his political positions on a few key issues, and nothing to do with his race.

Several candidates have almost persuaded me to return to the Republican Party, over the years. Their stances on economic issues. I supported them in the Republican primaries, but either they did not get the nomination or their campaign imploded. They include:



Alan Keyes in 1996 and 2000, and



Herman Cain in 2012.

Would you have supported either one of these two gentlemen for president if you were a US Citizen?

If your answer is no, why not?

Because of their race? Or, Because of their politics?

Much of the USA has grown up and put such petty things as racism behind us. There are two groups of people in the USA that still regularly bring up race. One group is the members of various racist organizations such as the KKK, but they do get shunned by most people because of their backward, racist views.

The other group is members of the Democrat party and their supporters.

Unwilling to actually debate and discuss various economic and governmental policies on their own merits, they have an annoying tendency to just scream "That's racist!" at their opponents.
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Message 1662289 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 11:37:31 UTC - in response to Message 1662283.  
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Much of the USA has grown up and put such petty things as racism behind us.

No sorry but thats just not true. Yes, most of the US has left the overtly racist stuff behind them (with the KKK and similar groups being an exception). But racism goes so much further and deeper than the super visible KKK-style racism. Just look at Ferguson or the US justice system in general. Look at labor statistics and the still weak socio-economic position of African Americans.

Yes, there are plenty of Americans that don't like Obama for entirely normal, rational reasons (they don't like his politics), but there are also plenty of Americans that don't like him because deep down they don't trust him because of the color of skin, and they were extremely blunt about it. Case in point, everyone who was part of the whole birther movement. Then, there is everyone who insists on calling Obama a Muslim. Well, obviously the people that say Obama is secretly gay are not so much racist as they are homophobic, and plenty of those around. If he was white, no one would have ever bothered with his background, asking for him to show his birth certificate, nor would there ever be such widespread allegations that he isn't really an American. Ted Cruz is proof of that, who as a white person born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother has technically even less of a claim to be an American citizen than Obama, yet does not get attacked on his status as American citizens and eligibility for presidency of the US.
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Message 1662318 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 14:03:11 UTC

Interesting how posters from outside the US have more 'knowledge' regarding our feelings, attitudes and beliefs than do those of us who ACTUALLY live here....socialist/liberals(intentionally not capitalized) always have all the answers, just ask one....

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Message 1662319 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 14:05:05 UTC - in response to Message 1662298.  
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Repeatedly saying KKK, or repeating the Deranged Vomiting of a FEW, who speak of Obama/Muslim, or any other negative, regarding the vast majority of White People, is TOTALLY Offensive to any Tolerant Person.

Cut the 'not all white people' nonsense. Racism is still a thing, and its still a problem. Pretending that you are not racist because you voted for an African American during the elections doesn't mean you are no longer racist, just as having a black friend doesn't mean you are not racist. Racism is a spectrum of things and idiots like the KKK or birthers are just at the far end of the racist spectrum.
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Message 1662360 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 22:21:39 UTC - in response to Message 1662327.  

You really believe MOST White people are Racist?

Of course not. But just because *most* white people aren't racist doesn't mean that there isn't a significant group of people left who are racist, as is the case.

Science confirms it.

And that just covers the more overt type of racism. I'm willing to bet that if you start including subconscious biases about race the number of people who are racist is even bigger (possibly to the point where everyone is racist to some degree).

You really believe MOST Black people are (Fill-in the negatives)?

Personally? No, I do not believe that black people are whatever negatives you want to put there. But just because some doesn't believe those negative things, doesn't mean that person is clear from being a racist. In my case, I'm aware of some of my more hidden biases, which does result me in treating people who aren't white differently. Not necessarily more negatively, but differently non the less.

And while whenever I'm aware of these biases I do try to adjust them, as I said I know that a number of them are subconscious. I don't always notice when they occur or how they affect my behavior.

It is now time to take these vile pronouncements, against ANY Race/Gender, and flush them down the toilet.

Yeah, stopping being a racist is not as easy as claiming that you really don't think colored people are worse than you. A huge part of it happens subconscious and that isn't something that can be changed overnight.

Oh, and before you criticize me for having subconscious biases, know that every human being has them, including you.
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Message 1662377 - Posted: 7 Apr 2015, 23:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 1662318.  
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Interesting how posters from outside the US have more 'knowledge' regarding our feelings, attitudes and beliefs than do those of us who ACTUALLY live here....socialist/liberals(intentionally not capitalized) always have all the answers, just ask one....

As it is also true that many who live inside the gated communities in our country also have no knowledge of what is going on in the rest of the country.
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Message 1662478 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 5:43:13 UTC

Gentlepersons:

We do have a thread to talk about racism.

I'm sure the OP doesn't mind while it is related to OBLABBY but you seem to be wandering away from him.
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Message 1662542 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 11:29:37 UTC - in response to Message 1662407.  

You may not know, but 'Colored' is a very derogatory term to use. Haven't heard that term used since the mid-sixty's.

When you use negative terms about one Race, as you do another: Then we can take your thoughts seriously.

You'll have to excuse me then. I'm not a native speaker and I don't fully know what terms are offensive and what terms are acceptable. 'Colored' is especially confusing because saying 'people of color' is not offensive. Can someone explain me the difference (either here or in the other racism thread)?
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Message 1662549 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 12:01:10 UTC

Call a spade a spade.

I was filling in a survey for something (i forget what) a few months ago and one of the questions was phrased "Do you identify as a person of colour?" That was it, no further qualifiers. Apart from not making much sense on a linguistic level, it still ultimately groups respondents into 'white' or 'other'.
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Message 1662555 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 12:24:34 UTC

If you are freckled, is that white AND other?
If you are an albino and black, is that black AND other?
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Message 1662557 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 12:33:36 UTC - in response to Message 1662555.  

If you are freckled, is that white AND other?
If you are an albino and black, is that black AND other?

I'm ginger with blue eyes, which (according to the Huffington post) makes me the rarest phenotype in the world. Where's the box for that?
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Message 1662577 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 13:55:51 UTC - in response to Message 1662557.  

The Huffington Post says:
7. Russia means 'Land of Reds'
Actually it means 'Land of Rus'.
Rus are Vikings and means rowsmen.

So in your survey you mention I miss this:
Are you a Russian or a Viking, or both?
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Message 1662580 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 14:16:25 UTC

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Message 1662599 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 15:39:18 UTC
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Well, I guess it's time for the adult in the room to put his two cents in this conversation, since as far as I can tell, I'm the only African-American in the room. Racism in this country has been and, unfortunately, will always be present until everyone black, white, brown, pink, & purple sits down and have a very honest in-depth conversation about race, regardless of whose feeling are hurt in the process. I have seen comments that most of my countrymen/women just don't talk about race and the only one's that constantly talk about it are either such racist groups as the three cousins (Klu, Klux and his little brother Klan) and the Democratic party. This country was built and divided on race and will continue to be divided until such time as this conversation takes place. If one desires to take the time to read them, and I strongly suggest that you do, please by all means check out my dissertations in the Economics http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75636#1571917 and other threads in this forum. But, I guess it's time for a refresher history lesson in the African-American in this country's history.

During the time of slavery and up to the mid-sixties it was the Democratic party, primarily in the deep south, the same area of the country that is governed primarily governed by the current Tea/Republican party, that held the most disregard of the African-American community. It was abolitionists of the Republican party of the time, there were some from the Democrats but not many, that strived to end this despicable practice of enslaving a whole race of people for economic gain. It was the Republican party of the time that fought for including the African-American community into the whole of the American community as equals. It was the Democratic party of that time that created America's first domestic terrorist group, commonly known as the KKK. Starting in the 50's and continuing until his assignation , a young minister, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., took up the mantle to bring justice not only for the African-American community, but for all people, regardless of race, that were being treated unfairly. It was the segregationists of the democratic party, who convinced J. Edgar Hoover to investigate Rev. King and his organization as being communists. When the federal government stepped in to desegregate the schools and started to crack down on the KKK, it was those segregationist Democrats that left the party and joined with those of like mind in the Republican party. Those of the Republican party that was concerned about what was happening to their party switch to the current Democratic party.

The African-American community has been the most enslaved and disrespected community, first physically and continuing economically to this day. We can begin with substandard education and go on from there. Whenever there is economic strife in this country the most affected is my community, but most Americans don't see it, even though it's staring them in the face.

The ugly reprehensible response of the Tea/Republican party, when our current president announced his intention to run for the office of the President of the United States had absolutely nothing to do with his politics, as they hadn't even been brought forth yet. It was strictly about the amount of melanoma in his skin. It wasn't until after he started to announce his policies that they were attacked. The thing is, is that the greater majority of President Obama's policies were/are originally policies and ideas of the Republican party, but because they came from him they were/are attacked. This president has been the most disrespected president in out country's history, and most of that disrespect has nothing to do with his politics. What other president in our history has had the opposite party do everything in their power to deny him his presidency? Not once but twice. What other Speaker of the House has stated publically that when he had to sit next to President Obama in the White House during a meeting, and I quote "Just sitting next to him made me physically sick" unquote.

He must have been doing something right or the mass majority of the American populace would not have elected him for a second term. His policies has bought this country out of the deepest depression since the Great Depression of the 30's. We have had seven years of uninterrupted job growth as compared to the unmitigated massive job loss during the two terms of our previous president. President Obama has put forth ideas for job growth in investing in repairing/reconstructing our infrastructure, along with other ideas, but was repeatedly shot down by the Tea/Republican party. We are still waiting for how the Tea/Republican party is going to increase jobs.

Even now, the nomination for the replacement of our current head of the U.S. Justice Department is being held hostage, because of this disrespect; even though the Tea/Republican party can't stand Holder. Where was the hoop and holler when Poppa Reagan began talks with China, or when he told Russia to "TEAR DOWN THIS WALL"? When this country has ostracized their enemies for 40+ years and nothing has changed, shouldn't we attempt something else? When President Obama said he would talk with our enemies, the Tea/Republican party called him naïve, but he has started to normalize relations with Cuba. After bringing Iran almost to their knees economically, he began talks to limit their nuclear capabilities. He succeeded in setting a framework in that effort, but the Tea/Republican party refuses to work with him on this diplomatic matter. They would rather get into another was in the Middle East, rather then let diplomacy stop the possibility of that war. If this diplomacy fails, mark my words there will be a war with Iran and they will take steps to create a nuclear weapon in the very near future.

Race relations have been the worse since the 40' & 50's just because there is an African-American sitting in the top office in the land. How dare this uppity Negro tell us what needs to be done. When our first lady, Mrs. Obama started pushing her fitness agenda, the right-wing nuts almost had an orgasmic rush, but through her efforts juvenile obesity in this country have dropped significantly.

Yes, the current Tea/Republican party does not want to talk about race, because it brings up the UGLY about the past and they don't want to talk about it, and Yes, the current Democratic party wants to talk about race and keep bringing it up in people's faces, for the exact reason that the race conversation needs to happen, and the sooner the better. Every thing that has happened in this country race wise, is till continuing today even though you may not want to or be able to recognize it.

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What exactly is the legal Definition of Race, or Ethnic Group, for that matter?

Is the definition of Black, percentage? As 'Old South' Racist Mississippi did.


The legal definition of an African-American in this country is a single drop of African blood. This has been the standard since the time of slavery and it's still on the books today.
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Message 1662615 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 16:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 1662478.  
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Gentlepersons:

We do have a thread to talk about racism.

I'm sure the OP doesn't mind while it is related to OBLABBY but you seem to be wandering away from him.


Thanks, Gary. Actually, I do mind. It is not about race at all in this thread, it is about Dull's assertion that no one will argue against Obama when in fact plenty of libs have. (For those who do not know who I mean by "Dull" or think I am insulting someone, it is part of a poster's former screen name. His screen names now stretch the screen.)

P.S.-wish I had seen Cliff's post before responding to Gary. I think Cliff's post has comments relevant to this thread and the racism thread.
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Message 1662643 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 17:25:55 UTC - in response to Message 1662615.  

Gentlepersons:

We do have a thread to talk about racism.

I'm sure the OP doesn't mind while it is related to OBLABBY but you seem to be wandering away from him.


Thanks, Gary. Actually, I do mind. It is not about race at all in this thread, it is about Dull's assertion that no one will argue against Obama when in fact plenty of libs have. (For those who do not know who I mean by "Dull" or think I am insulting someone, it is part of a poster's former screen name. His screen names now stretch the screen.)

P.S.-wish I had seen Cliff's post before responding to Gary. I think Cliff's post has comments relevant to this thread and the racism thread.

Yes, Cliff is telling it like it is from his perspective. It is a very good post.

Far too many have forgotten the Dixiecrats are the Tea Party. This group of self fulling moral superiority snobs will go anywhere (political party) they can, to get traction for their repulsive agenda.

As for criticizing the President, after these idiots got screaming their hate, it is no longer possible to criticize any policy or position without being labeled an ist. And we have an example poster on these boards who knee jerks claiming to be dead center who engages in this blame shifting name calling game.
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Message 1662668 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 18:01:01 UTC - in response to Message 1662627.  

Cliff's opinion of who, and which organizations are really 'Talking About Race', differs from mine.

Making accusations, and calling others names, for Social, Political, or Other reasons, is NOT a Conversation.



I'm sorry Clyde, but fact is fact and so is history, and I think you and I have had this conversation before. If one actually reads my prior comments/dissertations on the matter and did some actual research other than right-wing Faux News or left-wing MSNBC as such, one can see the truth in what I have stated. The history of this country is well documented on what I've discussed, and I think I spoke quite clearly in the Economics thread. For most of white America if the subject of race never came up, they would be truly thankful, because truth hurts and they don't like their feelings hurt.

In March of 1857, the United States Supreme Court, led by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, a member of the Federalist party, which I believe became the Democratic party, declared that all blacks -- slaves as well as free -- were not and could never become citizens of the United States. The court also declared the 1820 Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, thus permitting slavery in all of the country's territories.

Judge Taney has also been quoted when referring to the language of the Declaration of Independence that includes the phrase, "all men are created equal,"
"it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration. . . ."


Because this train of thought has percolated from that time, continuing to today is the main reason why race relations are as they are today. It is the main reason that the right-wing Birther movement is still strong today. It is the main reason that the Tea/Republican party attacked him, even before they knew what his polices were. Check out the rants of the right-wing high priest Rush Limbaugh and any program on Faux News. I don't see the same outrage from the Tea/Republican party about Ted Cruz running for president, even though he was not born in any American city, but in Canada a foreign country and until recently held dual citizenship. The only requirement that allows him to run for the office of President of the United States of America is that his mother is an American. Other of being in two radical different political parties, the only difference between Barrack Hussein Obama and Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz, as being qualified to run for this country's top office is that our President was born in this country. Whether or not the general populace believes that a candidate is further qualified is called the general election, which despite all of the rancor thrown at our president, he won twice.


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Message 1662669 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 18:03:09 UTC - in response to Message 1662599.  

Thank you for speaking up Cliff. I think many of your points were spot-on.
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Message 1662675 - Posted: 8 Apr 2015, 18:15:39 UTC - in response to Message 1662599.  

Cliff Harding,

First, I must say that your summation of history is fairly accurate, in my opinion. The differences I have with it are extremely minor and don't really require discussion. Primarily, they are unimportant differences in opinion, and would derail the discussion on this thread from its subject: people opposing Obama (for whatever reason) are being labeled as racist.

Yes, the African-Americans have been treated disgracefully, even evilly, in this nation both before and since its founding. It was BAD and SHOULD NOT have happened. But the African-Americans do not have a monopoly on being evilly mistreated in the past by the white Europeans here, especially by that post-civil war group you correctly identified as a bunch of domestic terrorists, the KKK.

You call for a national dialog on race. That has been ongoing for quite some time. It seriously started pre-Civil war by the abolitionists. It continued post-civil war during 'Reconstruction'. After a brief time-out while women's rights were center-stage in the early 20th century, it continued during WWII as various groups of African-Americans fought for a more integrated military (ending when President Truman issued Executive Order 9981 on July 26, 1948 desegregating the US Military).

The national dialog on race continued during the civil rights movements in the 1950s and 1960s. You mentioned Dr. King. I saw in him the hope that we could all finally put all this racist crap behind us. When Dr. King was assassinated by James Earl Ray, I cried. I feared that it would be a setback on the dialog. It was.

Over the years, racism in the USA has dwindled because of the ongoing dialog. Especially the racism against African-Americans. Great progress has been made. There is still some left to go, and it is past time for the dialog to resume in earnest.

You mention that economic problems tend to hit the African-Americans the hardest. Yes, it does. The whys and possible solutions are a matter for the dialog.

But, when you and others imply or even outright state that all of Obama's opponents are racially motivated, this is a huge setback to the dialog. This implication and/or statement is intensely polarizing, and the POINT of the dialog is to bring people together.

My opposition to Obama is SOLELY because of some (not even all) of his policies. I don't give a rat's behind how much pigmentation he has in his skin.
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