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Message 1639158 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 0:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 1639085.  

Commenting on a culture is not racist.

Generalizing over a billion people from all over the world and judging them as 'barbaric' because they belong to a superficially similar group of people is racist as hell. You almost can't get more racist than that. Furthermore, you no longer get to use "its just 'commenting' on a culture" as an acceptable excuse.

As one who studied Anthropology many years ago as a university undergraduate observing and commenting on what we saw was a big part of what is done. That is what anthropology is. For a self proclaimed university student you are very eager to make a hasty generalilaztion.
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Message 1639290 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 10:40:19 UTC - in response to Message 1639134.  

IS is Islam! They are the caliphate. They speak with the sole voice of Islam. If you do not follow them, you are not a Muslim.

Now do you understand?

Or so they claim. And you agree with their claim? Despite the fact that almost every actual Muslim thinks they are full of nonsense?

So, why do you buy their claim?
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Message 1639292 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 10:47:43 UTC - in response to Message 1639158.  
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As one who studied Anthropology many years ago as a university undergraduate observing and commenting on what we saw was a big part of what is done. That is what anthropology is. For a self proclaimed university student you are very eager to make a hasty generalilaztion.

No actual Anthropologist would dare to make a claim that covers the entirety of the culture and the belief system of over a billion people based on the actions of a few radicals.

Observing cultural practices is fine, describing them is fine, though can be extremely troubling when the anthropologist is not aware of his or her own cultural bias, and commenting reeks of making value judgments about a culture which comes with a whole host of troubling implications. You should be aware of that.
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Message 1639299 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 11:50:09 UTC - in response to Message 1639292.  

As one who studied Anthropology many years ago as a university undergraduate observing and commenting on what we saw was a big part of what is done. That is what anthropology is. For a self proclaimed university student you are very eager to make a hasty generalilaztion.

No actual Anthropologist would dare to make a claim that covers the entirety of the culture and the belief system of over a billion people based on the actions of a few radicals.

Observing cultural practices is fine, describing them is fine, though can be extremely troubling when the anthropologist is not aware of his or her own cultural bias, and commenting reeks of making value judgments about a culture which comes with a whole host of troubling implications. You should be aware of that.

You're doing it again...Where is one nationality being used to describe Islam. Most "normal" thinking people know that it DOES not consist of Arabs alone...

...with your posting style recently I'm beginning to wonder, are you a Dutch Muslim by chance?
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Message 1639307 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 12:19:18 UTC - in response to Message 1639299.  

You're doing it again...Where is one nationality being used to describe Islam. Most "normal" thinking people know that it DOES not consist of Arabs alone...

Again, you guys were doing that, not me.

...with your posting style recently I'm beginning to wonder, are you a Dutch Muslim by chance?

Nope, I'm not.
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Message 1639308 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 12:22:27 UTC - in response to Message 1639307.  
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So point out the posts where Arabs were mentioned with regards to Islam!

Questions regarding Islam:

Just why is Islam such a fractured religion/culture?

Aren't all women supposed to be covered in Islamic states?

Celebrities in Dubai

Unless my geography is grossly out of whack, isn't Dubai in the United Arab Emigrates?

The UAE is an Islamic Nation is it not?
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Message 1639309 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 12:35:54 UTC

If this issue with IS is not resolved anytime soon, the West will regret it...

IS Commander killed in drone strike

..."Islamic State controls swathes of Syria and Iraq and has a small but growing presence in parts of Afghanistan."

IS is doing what Western Forces have always dreaded, only they're getting away with it - Mission Creep!
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Message 1639337 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 14:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 1639290.  

Or so they claim. And you agree with their claim? Despite the fact that almost every actual Muslim thinks they are full of nonsense?

So now you, someone who has just said they are not Muslin, are deciding who is and is not an "actual Muslim"? When and how did Allah grant you this authority?
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Message 1639340 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:04:05 UTC - in response to Message 1639060.  

It is a religion for barbarians, why is it surprising that a barbaric incident is needed?

Tone down on the racism would you.

How is it racist?

A religion that subjugates women & permits child marriages/rapes is barbaric!

A few choice bible passages for you.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
But women will be saved through childbearing — if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Judges 21:20-23
So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin.
When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.’”
So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.

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Message 1639343 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:09:07 UTC - in response to Message 1639340.  

It is a religion for barbarians, why is it surprising that a barbaric incident is needed?

Tone down on the racism would you.

How is it racist?

A religion that subjugates women & permits child marriages/rapes is barbaric!

A few choice bible passages for you.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
But women will be saved through childbearing — if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Judges 21:20-23
So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin.
When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.’”
So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.

Of course, written by men for men.
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Message 1639344 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:15:17 UTC - in response to Message 1639343.  

It is a religion for barbarians, why is it surprising that a barbaric incident is needed?

Tone down on the racism would you.

How is it racist?

A religion that subjugates women & permits child marriages/rapes is barbaric!

A few choice bible passages for you.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
But women will be saved through childbearing — if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


Deuteronomy 22:20-21
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.


Judges 21:20-23
So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin.
When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.’”
So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.

Of course, written by men for men.


I refer you to your earlier statement:
"A religion that subjugates women & permits child marriages/rapes is barbaric!"
It follows therefore that you believe Christianity to be barbaric also...
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Message 1639347 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1639344.  

Yes it was. Has it learnt from its mistakes? I'm not so sure.

1st we get ISIL, now ISIB? Careful there boyos, you really do not want to take on Sinn Fein - you'll lose big time!

Islamic State of Ireland & Britain

There really are some serious nutjobs in the world.
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Message 1639352 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:35:51 UTC - in response to Message 1639347.  

Yes it was. Has it learnt from its mistakes? I'm not so sure.

1st we get ISIL, now ISIB? Careful there boyos, you really do not want to take on Sinn Fein - you'll lose big time!

Islamic State of Ireland & Britain

There really are some serious nutjobs in the world.

Broken link.

There's an American program called Deadliest Warrior, specifically Series 1 Episode 9, i think you'll like it.
Slightly ropey YouTube vid
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Message 1639354 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:40:11 UTC - in response to Message 1639352.  

BBC again. Try this one...

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Message 1639355 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 15:41:28 UTC - in response to Message 1639337.  
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So now you, someone who has just said they are not Muslin, are deciding who is and is not an "actual Muslim"? When and how did Allah grant you this authority?

Who gave IS the authority to make the claim you are basing your distinction between actual Muslim and non-Muslim on?
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Message 1639374 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 16:47:06 UTC - in response to Message 1639344.  

It follows therefore that you believe Christianity to be barbaric also...
They are one and the same, the religion of the God of Abraham, so why do you think there is a difference?
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Message 1639375 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 16:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 1639355.  

So now you, someone who has just said they are not Muslin, are deciding who is and is not an "actual Muslim"? When and how did Allah grant you this authority?

Who gave IS the authority to make the claim you are basing your distinction between actual Muslim and non-Muslim on?

You would have to ask them.
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Message 1639377 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 16:50:04 UTC - in response to Message 1639375.  

So now you, someone who has just said they are not Muslin, are deciding who is and is not an "actual Muslim"? When and how did Allah grant you this authority?

Who gave IS the authority to make the claim you are basing your distinction between actual Muslim and non-Muslim on?

You would have to ask them.

Best done via videoconferencing or you could lose your head :-)
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Message 1639379 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 16:54:33 UTC - in response to Message 1639374.  

It follows therefore that you believe Christianity to be barbaric also...
They are one and the same, the religion of the God of Abraham, so why do you think there is a difference?

I believe all organised religion to be bunk.
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Message 1639380 - Posted: 9 Feb 2015, 17:00:03 UTC - in response to Message 1639379.  

It follows therefore that you believe Christianity to be barbaric also...
They are one and the same, the religion of the God of Abraham, so why do you think there is a difference?

I believe all organised religion to be bunk.

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