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Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Because the terrorists operate in all European countries. Yeah but that doesn't answer my question. How is an European army going to stop terrorists more effectively? Look, terrorists and the army generally do not engage each other in a fight. And when they do fight against terrorists, how is the fact that the army is under mulitnational political command going to make them more effective against terrorists? So whats the point of having a large European army? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?Because the terrorists operate in all European countries. Exactly! +1 |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational. Why? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational. I may be wrong but I think what Janne is trying to say is - Have a dedicated unit solely for that purpose akin to Elliot Ness & the untouchables. I've been saying that for sometime. Once they've been ordered in, let them do their job without any political interference. It can be done as Russia proved for over 50 years. Just how many "sleepers" did they really have & are there still some left? I'm pretty certain that the military will is there but is there the political will? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?Because the terrorists operate in all European countries. But that problem will always be there since EU is divided in so many nations and political agendas. And cultures:) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?Because the terrorists operate in all European countries. Which makes that one organisation ineffective :-) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Also, one has to ask, what exactly would that accomplish? How is an European army going to stop terrorists any more effectively than a national army?Because the terrorists operate in all European countries. About time to dismantle NATO then:) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational. To deal with terrorist its seems more needed from now on that you also need military force beside police force. Terrorists are upsizing their military capacity. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Janne, be aware that some posters have political reasons for wanting the UK to withdraw from the EU. That of course has nothing to do with Nato as you point out. I know. A lot of seperatist movements in Europe right now. Scotland comes to mind. Are they aware that they have to build armies and there own anti terrorist forces if they withdraw? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Janne, be aware that some posters have political reasons for wanting the UK to withdraw from the EU. That of course has nothing to do with Nato as you point out. Speak for yourself! How is it that whenever someone makes statements as mentioned here, people like you always come up with that answer? Why does there always have to be a "political reason?" |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
To deal with terrorist its seems more needed from now on that you also need military force beside police force. Hardly. ISIS is the only terrorist organization that has some tradtional military capacity, but still not nearly enough to be a threat to Europe. Secondly, terrorists like the ones that attacked Charlie Hebdo, well the military is just not the organization to deal with them. And that is not because our armies lack capacity. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Eurocorps belongs to EU and is therefore not international but multinational. If there is one country aside from the US you do not want to learn from in terms of counter terrorism its Russia. Look at how those brutes deal with terrorism in Beslan and that Moscow theater. Bloody massacres. And have they managed to repress terrorist organizations in Russia? No, given that suicide bombers blow themselves up regularly in subway stations, train stations and airports. The Russian counter terrorism policies are abysmal failures. And look what they did in Chechnya. Two wars rife with human rights violations by Russian forces they managed to install a brutal dictator and a secret police and the Chechnya separatist movement preservers. Do we really want to model ourselves after Russia? Is that really how far we have fallen? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Is that really how far we have fallen? Al-Queada, ISIL, Boko Harem, Hezbollah etc says yes! Edit: Btw, there is an error in that post - I should have stated USSR & not Russia. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Is that really how far we have fallen? So you want to let non European terror groups that hardly even operate inside Europe to make that decision for us? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Is that really how far we have fallen? They already have! |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Is that really how far we have fallen? We aren't like Russia yet thank god. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Is that really how far we have fallen? So explain the 10,000 soldiers on the streets of France! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Is that really how far we have fallen? Yes. Jyllands-Posten in Denmark, famous for Muhammad cartoons, won’t print Charlie Hebdo drawings http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/jyllands-posten-famous-for-muhammad-cartoons-wont-print-charlie-hebdo-drawings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
To deal with terrorist its seems more needed from now on that you also need military force beside police force. & as seen from the following 2 links, neither are the police & security services... 3,000 to 5,000 Europeans now a potential terrorist threat Can governments ban encryption? "It is also worth noting, he added, that the men involved in the Paris shootings were known to the authorities and had been under surveillance until it was deemed that the threat from them had lessened. "The security forces need better resources not more powers." "Encryption is mathematics, not technology. It can't be suppressed by law," Mr Bloch told the BBC." |
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