I could fill pages of documents on this subject but let it suffice that this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

That's very disappointing. :-(

No cheers here for them.

Doug Paulley's lawyers have already sought a leave to appeal to the supreme court

I hope it is granted and this decision is overturned... and quickly because the court decision was disgraceful. AND it is being implemented. At the moment, my sister, her little boy, and my paralysed, wheelchair bound brother-in-law are struggling to get to St Pancras having just been refused entry onto five consecutive buses. My sister was worried enough about leaving their poorly cat alone for just a few hours, and is now SO upset. It wouldn't surprise me if this is being used by bus companies and individual bus drivers to keep to their timetables. Saving a few minutes to make it possible for a wheelchair to enter a bus compared to the mere moments it takes for a pushchair to barge in and bruise everyones ankles.

If there isn't a petition somewhere about this - then there should be. NOT a happy anniet at the moment :(

Doug Paulley's lawyers have already sought a leave to appeal to the supreme court

I hope it is granted and this decision is overturned... and quickly because the court decision was disgraceful. AND it is being implemented. At the moment, my sister, her little boy, and my paralysed, wheelchair bound brother-in-law are struggling to get to St Pancras having just been refused entry onto five consecutive buses. My sister was worried enough about leaving their poorly cat alone for just a few hours, and is now SO upset. It wouldn't surprise me if this is being used by bus companies and individual bus drivers to keep to their timetables. Saving a few minutes to make it possible for a wheelchair to enter a bus compared to the mere moments it takes for a pushchair to barge in and bruise everyones ankles.

If there isn't a petition somewhere about this - then there should be. NOT a happy anniet at the moment :(

If it's not overturned then maybe all the seats should be removed from buses in the areas that can be access by wheelchairs and prams (as if that would happen).

Cheers.

Hmm... well I found this one which probably pre-dates the courtcase. Just wondering whether it put the point across adequately? What do you think? I'm going to sign it but what is the protocol re leaping into multiple petitions? :) Will I get modded by a bureaucrat? :)))))))))

@Wiggo - good point :)

Hmm... well I found this one which probably pre-dates the courtcase. Just wondering whether it put the point across adequately? What do you think? I'm going to sign it but what is the protocol re leaping into multiple petitions? :) Will I get modded by a bureaucrat? :)))))))))

@Wiggo - good point :)

Now that's sad, "You must be a British citizen or normally live in the UK to create or sign e-petitions.", but that's usually the case with OS 1's. :-(

Over here in this state (NSW) it has always been the law that all prams and strollers must be folded before entering a bus and a wheelchair area (2 of them on our low floor buses, most should be low floor by now) must be vacated when a wheelchair enters, both backed by acts of the state parliament. ;-)

Cheers.

Hmm... well I found this one which probably pre-dates the courtcase. Just wondering whether it put the point across adequately? What do you think? I'm going to sign it but what is the protocol re leaping into multiple petitions? :) Will I get modded by a bureaucrat? :)))))))))

@Wiggo - good point :)

Now that's sad, "You must be a British citizen or normally live in the UK to create or sign e-petitions.", but that's usually the case with OS 1's. :-(

Over here in this state (NSW) it has always been the law that all prams and strollers must be folded before entering a bus and a wheelchair area (2 of them on our low floor buses, most should be low floor by now) must be vacated when a wheelchair enters, both backed by acts of the state parliament. ;-)

Cheers.

That's what I thought it was over here, this got me thinking and growing up I always saw the Mums collapse their prams and put them in the storage bit for the journey. No idea when that started to change, and the size of some of them nowadays would give a fiat 500 a run for its money.

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Hmm... well I found this one which probably pre-dates the courtcase. Just wondering whether it put the point across adequately? What do you think? I'm going to sign it but what is the protocol re leaping into multiple petitions? :) Will I get modded by a bureaucrat? :)))))))))

@Wiggo - good point :)

Now that's sad, "You must be a British citizen or normally live in the UK to create or sign e-petitions.", but that's usually the case with OS 1's. :-(

Over here in this state (NSW) it has always been the law that all prams and strollers must be folded before entering a bus and a wheelchair area (2 of them on our low floor buses, most should be low floor by now) must be vacated when a wheelchair enters, both backed by acts of the state parliament. ;-)

Cheers.

That's what I thought it was over here, this got me thinking and growing up I always saw the Mums collapse their prams and put them in the storage bit for the journey. No idea when that started to change, and the size of some of them nowadays would give a fiat 500 a run for its money.

Just far to many lazy and selfish people who don't care about others around these days is my only conclusion.

Cheers.

Just far to many lazy and selfish people who don't care about others around these days is my only conclusion.

Absolutely correct.

But let's not make this an 'Us against Them' situation.

And when such occurrences happen there is an "us against them" view taken on both sides.

So what would you do?

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Just far to many lazy and selfish people who don't care about others around these days is my only conclusion.

Absolutely correct.

But let's not make this an 'Us against Them' situation.

And when such occurrences happen there is an "us against them" view taken on both sides.

So what would you do?

Exactly my point.

Every situation is different.

It is very possible that BOTH sides are selfish, and don't care about other's.

Been involved is that situation many times.

I got your point, that's why I asked what would you do. A wheelchair user and a Mum with a pram board a bus. There's space for one.

Who gets it?

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"Look missus, it was your choice to have a baby, I didn't have one, I was born disabled!".

As A Damsel Rescuer, I think The Ladies with Babies would Be Your Choice in The Race to get The Space.

Without Women, there would be No People At All. Fully Capable, Disabled or Otherwise.

The Ladies with Prams get my vote. Wheelchair People, Sorry, No Space for You in The Race.

Yep.

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The guy said "Look missus, it was your choice to have a baby, I didn't have one, I was born disabled!".

Disgusting argument IMHO. Entering the bus was his choice after all, if speaking about "choices"...

EDIT: not saying there are no another more sensible arguments to prefer one other another, but this particular one is awful...

I wouldn't quite go so far as disgusting. My immediate thought at the time was, OK the guy had a point of sorts, but his comment was "unhelpful" given the circumstances.

I didn't say to be movement disabled is easy. But even if it's painful and hard it doesn't justify such sort of statements. To refer "having a baby" as "choice" in such context is implies equality of child to thing, wanna - buy, wanna - not buy, wanna - throw away. That's why such word combination is disgusting in my opinion. Even if indeed woman could do something to free space in that particular situation or smth else...

The choice is to enter the bus with baby and not saying home (BTW, it's choice for both sides), the choice is to take baby with when go out of home or leave at home with relatives if possible, but not "to have baby" in such context.

This lady is also disabled, not in the usual sense of the word, but quite obviously severely disadvantaged in her life. It is good to see that large Corporations can on occasions make life easier for people without going OTT in the process.

Post Office

Those cases make really think that something not right in EU... Next will be case versus let say China or Japan to not translate writings on coffee automate to English? And one who will try to translate will be blamed for embarrasment?...

Staff then tried to make steps from cardboard boxes, which she says caused her
embarrassment.

Some just wanna more money and not hesitate to use own physical condition to make them, IMO.

I rather think that there isn't much more that I can usefully add here. Given the apparent attitude of Clyde & Raistmer to disabled people, it is hardly surprising that they are still discriminated against in many places around the world. However I am glad to note that at least the British Government has a more charitable and caring attitude in this matter.

DPULOs

So, now you imply my attitude to disabled peoples is bad? Generalising from 2 cases where in my opinion those peoples are wrong _irregardless_ are they disabled ones or not, just because their own actions in particular situation? Not too generous generalization, ah? I think I have nothing to add also after such.

EDIT: I know such generalization is too big also, but that's what is wrong in current EU state IMO: being gay, being disabled, being any other possible and imaginable minority doesn't automatically make you right !
Curently you missed that point, at least it seems so. Such peoples can be right or wrong just as any other, and their "minoritiness" has nothing in that!