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Message 1619151 - Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 17:48:30 UTC - in response to Message 1619148.  
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What if there was a move, in Germany, to name a City - Stadt von Hitler.
What would The World think of those people?

Maybe you are ignorant? For example, Stalingrad is a Paris Metro station. Also, the Place de la Bataille-de-Stalingrad is a square in Paris.

I dont Think Place de la Bataille-de-Stalingrad where named to glorify Stalin.
Just to remember the horrific battle in WWII.
It's also difficult to change history. But Russia tries...

Stalingrad's use in The West: Remembering The People's Sacrifice.
Stalingrad's use Putin's Russia: Glorifying Stalin.
Igor REALLY Understands the difference. His Posts are only Putin Propaganda.

Stalingrad the Movie. ypa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3AXBdfZidY
And the song by Louie Armstrong "What a wonderful World" along with it!
What the heck...

Igor are just cherry picking western news.
Just like we do when we pick russian news:)
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Message 1619177 - Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 19:48:40 UTC - in response to Message 1619125.  


Because You NOW Understand: WE understand You, and Your Master.

LOL. I see you can't understand that the point of view, opposite to yours, can be independent, but it's not my problem.
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Message 1619182 - Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 19:58:40 UTC - in response to Message 1619151.  
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Stalingrad the Movie. ypa!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3AXBdfZidY

BTW, if you think this movie has something about a "glorifying Stalin", that's not right. This movie (BTW, a little silly and illogical movie) devoted for the people's feat.
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Message 1619209 - Posted: 26 Dec 2014, 22:26:52 UTC - in response to Message 1619120.  

Ukrainian ex-president Yuschenko: "I understand that you can offend, of course, the occupier Putin, who has gone mad, but, on the other hand, there is a feeling that he came to where least of all Ukrainian, where there is no our language practically, where there is no our memory, where there is no our church, where there is no our culture"

And if so, Putin, Russia can grab this territory and stay with "clear conscience" (or with "high level morale") after this grabbing?
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Message 1619343 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 9:36:03 UTC
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Message 1619364 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 11:28:51 UTC - in response to Message 1619299.  
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I am losing respect for you.

IMHO, just try to cool down - differences in mentality lead to misunderstandings.
Social researches show, unfortunately, brutal and black reality - at least 3/4 of Russian people worldwide are today patriots of Empire or Putin followers.
Russian journalist A. Troicky did a small research inside of Russian diaspora in Estonia.
IMHO, this episode shows the mentality of typical Putin lower...
Q. (A. Troicky) If You are so unhappy here, if You hate Estonia so much, why You do not repatriate to Russia?
A. I was born here.
Q. So, Your Motherland is Estonia?
A. No, my Motherland is Russia.
Q. If so, why You do not repatriate then?
A. What I will do there (in Russia)?!

My own conclusion from this episode - Russian people do not want to live in Russia, but everywhere, they live, they want Russia.
Are You able to understand such logic?
If "Yes" then, IMHO, You are a genius. :-)
If "No" then do not worry. I am 1/4 Russian by blood, I know Russians very well (including direct contacts with them in my real life), but I am not able too...
C'est la vie.
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Message 1619367 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 11:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 1619364.  
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My own conclusion from this episode - Russian people do not want to live in Russia, but everywhere, they live, they want Russia.
Are You able to understand such logic?

I can. I guess its always easier to remember the past as happy Days.
'It was better before. The more before the better'
But Russians going back to Soviet era or Russia Tsar era...
Seems very strange.
Don't the Russian people suffered enough?
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Message 1619390 - Posted: 27 Dec 2014, 15:07:53 UTC - in response to Message 1619382.  

My own conclusion from this episode - Russian people do not want to live in Russia, but everywhere, they live, they want Russia.
Are You able to understand such logic?

I can. I guess its always easier to remember the past as happy Days.
'It was better before. The more before the better'
But Russians going back to Soviet era or Russia Tsar era...
Seems very strange.
Don't the Russian people suffered enough?

Apparently not.

Russian remedy.
Vodka is consumed in incredible amounts perhaps because of the difficult life in Russia.
My girlfriend (she is half Russian) brother was in Russia once and ordered vodka and coka cola in a bar. He got a liter bottle of vodka!
Life expectancy in Russia is about 10 years less than the rest of the world because of alcohol problems
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Message 1620242 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 17:40:39 UTC - in response to Message 1619299.  

You're kidding.

You actually believe this Putin Garbage, from Independent Thinking?


You're kidding. :) You mixed different things in one. The Ukraine is an artificial country, it's my point from 1991. Crimea must be Russian, it's my point from 1991.
Putin is not a good leader for Russia, I think. He tell many right speeches but he don't do a real modernization of economy, etc, it's very bad. I don't trust him. But he is really much better in comparing with Yeltsin and sometimes he do some right things, for example the Crimea reunion.
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Message 1620244 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 17:53:17 UTC

Ukraine is already receiving electricity from Russia, said the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

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P.S. Once again, it is VERY strange "war".
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Message 1620250 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 18:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 1620242.  
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You're kidding.
You actually believe this Putin Garbage, from Independent Thinking?

You're kidding. :) You mixed different things in one. The Ukraine is an artificial country, it's my point from 1991. Crimea must be Russian, it's my point from 1991.
Putin is not a good leader for Russia, I think. He tell many right speeches but he don't do a real modernization of economy, etc, it's very bad. I don't trust him. But he is really much better in comparing with Yeltsin and sometimes he do some right things, for example the Crimea reunion.

Every country in the World is artificial:)
And that Crimea belongs to Russia is pure nonsense.
Read some history.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKrim&edit-text=
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRurikdynastin&edit-text=
And today Russians are treating russian ethnics in Ukraine like low life...
Both in Donbass and the refugees coming to Russia.
Not to mention Crimean tatars who are treated as terrorist and FBU searching their homes and deny them to have meetings.
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Message 1620308 - Posted: 29 Dec 2014, 20:32:18 UTC - in response to Message 1620260.  
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Ethnic Russians are NOT the majority in either Ukraine, nor Crimea.

Not true in Crimea.
Here is some figures from 2001.
Russians:1,450,000 (58.5%),
Ukrainians: 577,000 (24.0%),
Crimean Tatars: 245,000 (10.2%),
Belarusians: 35,000 (1.4%),
Volga Tatars: 13,500 (0.5%),
Armenians: 10,000 (0.4%).
However remember that ethnic cleansing of non-russians in Crimea started mostly during the Stalin era.
A lot of russians moved to Crimea at that time and got privileges far from ukrainians. Likewise in other occupied countries by the russians.
And now the same:(
Ãœbermensch comes to mind!
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Message 1620478 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 5:08:46 UTC - in response to Message 1620308.  
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A lot of russians moved to Crimea at that time and got privileges far from ukrainians. Likewise in other occupied countries by the russians.

Why do you lie about privileges? And what the "occupied country" was Crimea?
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Message 1620483 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 5:24:48 UTC - in response to Message 1620260.  

Ethnic Russians are NOT the majority in either Ukraine, nor Crimea.

If you want to revisit past glory's, IE: Russian Empire -

Just DO IT! Invade them. Conquer them. Enslave them, as you have done in the past.

But stop with the Bull Sh..


Stop your bs!
Ethnic Russians are the majority in the Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.
Ukraine could become the normal state after 1991, for example as Belgium or Switzerland, but she preferred to build the mono-national state with single official language and aspiration to convert all ethnicities into one.

And you don't know the history well or you don't understand what is enslaving.
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Message 1620487 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 5:35:42 UTC - in response to Message 1620250.  

And that Crimea belongs to Russia is pure nonsense.

But it belongs to Russia from 1783. Unfair casual of 1954 accidentally was not corrected in 1991 (because of the drunken Yeltsin's obliviousness) but it was corrected in 2014. Justice triumphed.
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Message 1620493 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 6:02:47 UTC - in response to Message 1620250.  

And today Russians are treating russian ethnics in Ukraine like low life...
Both in Donbass and the refugees coming to Russia.
Not to mention Crimean tatars who are treated as terrorist and FBU searching their homes and deny them to have meetings.

LOL. You read rumors.
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Message 1620514 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 6:47:01 UTC

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unian.net%2Fpolitics%2F1027469-ukraina-imeet-odnu-iz-samyih-boesposobnyih-armiy-mira-poroshenko.html
"Ukraine has already one of the most efficient armies in the world" - declared Poroshenko. LOL. What a hypocritical shamelessness!
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Message 1620633 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 10:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1620493.  
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And today Russians are treating russian ethnics in Ukraine like low life...
Both in Donbass and the refugees coming to Russia.
Not to mention Crimean tatars who are treated as terrorist and FBU searching their homes and deny them to have meetings.

LOL. You read rumors.

"Rumours" from Russia!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/25/-sp-russia-crimean-tatars-soviet-ukraine
http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/rizhkov/1431652-echo/
All these violations are set out in a report written by Nils Muižnieks, the Council of Europe’s Commissioner for Human Rights, who himself visited Crimea.
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Message 1620689 - Posted: 30 Dec 2014, 11:57:08 UTC - in response to Message 1620487.  
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And that Crimea belongs to Russia is pure nonsense.

But it belongs to Russia from 1783. Unfair casual of 1954 accidentally was not corrected in 1991 (because of the drunken Yeltsin's obliviousness) but it was corrected in 2014. Justice triumphed.

If Russia Gets Crimea, Should Germany Get Kaliningrad "Königsberg"?
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/if-russia-gets-crimea-should-germany-get-kaliningrad/496558.html
Kaliningrad FSB finds ‘deep offence’ in a German flag
http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1403487420

Finnish Karelia was a historical province of Finland, and is now divided between Finland and Russia, often called just Karjala in Finnish.
Is it OK if Finland now annex Karelia?

And should the US hand over Alaska to Russia?
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Message 1622430 - Posted: 2 Jan 2015, 17:33:35 UTC

The leaders of the terrorists of Eastern Ukraine and Boroday Bezler now admit that the so-called Novorossiya does not exist:)
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