Seeing as this debate hasn't let up we'll continue on from the the first 1.

Cheers.

How Many Times has A Cop Backed Away, when A Perp said, " I Can't..., or Please..., or This or That, and As Soon As The Cop COMPASSIONATELY Relents for a milli-second, second or Moment and The Perp Cold Kocks The Cop, Runs Away, or Worse, Kills The Cop?

So Pahllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllease, Stop with The Chanting, I Can't..., I Can't....., I Can't.........

'IT Don't Wash.

Confronted By Cop, Do As The Cop Says, Immediately.

Or, Be An IDIOT and Die.

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But what do i do if his badge says "Officer Obama"?
Do i still laugh in his face?

Well, I Know This: Many Have Tried to Put Their Arms Around Dr. HOHUM's Neck aka The Rappin' Rascal from Rapi Nui, for whatever reason, and Let Me Say, 'it' Did Not Work Out To Their Advantage. Name On Badge or Not. My Face Ended Up Doin' Da Laughin'. You know, As Cool Lava Rockin' Statues Can. heeeheeeheee.

HOHUM, Beatin' dat I Can I Can DRum DRum fO 400 Years.

Yep

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

I suspect we are in for a pile that is higher and deeper of material that is based on false assumptions.

There seems to be a false assumption being made that the legal system is about truth, fairness or justice. First year law students have to be disabused of this assumption. The legal system is about the application of Boolean logic to a set of rules including stare dices to a set of ill defined and occasionally unknowable variables. If truth, fairness or justice is the result, it is by pure happenstance.

I suspect we are going to be dazzled with another false assumption that a trial must be held if there is the slightest shred that a person committed a crime, even if it is obvious that there is far too much evidence providing ample doubt. We will be told this is some special case that has to be different that any other case, some sort of hot politics and necessary placation. Forgotten will be that is it far better to let a dozen criminals off than convict a single innocent.

I suspect we are going to hear dazzling assumptions about how one witness must be believed and another ignored no matter the forensics involved, simply because of systemic bias, or the is happened once therefore it always happens truism.

The obvious will be ignored. Why I asked if we replaced the workers in the "system" who have bias with robots who don't, if the result will still be biased, and asked to point to the statute that codifies this bias.

The bias happens when people are forced to make binary choice on ill defined or unknowable variables, not part of the legal system itself.

The obvious is an application of the associative and commutative laws to the bias of the individual people in the system and the sum total, is not the system, but still individual bias.

There will be more piles of the obvious about how it is designed to continue bias, but that is false. It is designed to continue to obtain a paycheck, simple self interest, keep the power once you have it and keep the paycheck flowing. I suspect we will hear concepts like epicycles were before Kepler.

It is going to be obvious that someone does not know where the boundaries of the legal system lie and large areas adjacent but clearly outside will be included.

Then again I hope we are surprised with actual thinking about racism, in the correct thread, and not a conflating of disjoint subjects.

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Just fixing the thread title, carry on. ;-)

Cheers.

Megyn Kelly Resorts To Shouting When Challenged On Her Narrative Of Ferguson

"What Kelly and other Fox News hosts seem to forget as they dance their victory dance because their ‘hero officer’ was let free by this court, is that a different prosecutor, a different course of conduct could have very well resulted in an indictment, and that’s what has the black community so upset; it almost never goes their way."

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Seconds 15 to 50 show Vid before the "Arrest" telling Officers to 'Leave Him Alone' because He Has done 'Nothing'

Yep, Sass A Cop, and, Well, ...you know, or Do You?

Yep.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Anyone who pays any attention to Rupert Murdoch's opinion, or the shills he has selling hie personal bile .....well, it is just one troglodyte's opinion delivered to intentionally inflame so he can enrich himself in a base manner.

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Megyn Kelly Resorts To Shouting When Challenged On Her Narrative Of Ferguson

"What Kelly and other Fox News hosts seem to forget as they dance their victory dance because their ‘hero officer’ was let free by this court, is that a different prosecutor, a different course of conduct could have very well resulted in an indictment, and that’s what has the black community so upset; it almost never goes their way."

And if my Aunt had wheels she'd be a wagon. Look, Until some jusrist of that granjury steps forth and says what went on. Its all conjecture. Its He said She said. As for the news and social media well they all their agendas also.
There was a saying back in the 70's and I dont know if I have it right. But it goes, Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you read.

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It is the difference between the Editorial/Commentary Page's of The New York Times (My Favorite Newspaper) and their News Section.

Give FOX a break.

I thought it should be their humor pages .....

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What had Kelly’s panties in such a bunch?

A TOTALLT SEXIST referral. THEY should be ashamed. Aren't you?

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Yes it is sexist...but intersectionality is a whole other topic I somehow doubt any of you are ready to deal with yet.

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Why Grand Juries Don’t Indict Cops When They Kill

" Police sometimes kill unarmed white men, like Dillon Taylor in Utah. But the flawed data we have shows police kill white people far less often than they kill black people relative to their proportion of the population. That white men are also harmed by a system that disproportionately allows black men to be killed with impunity does not exonerate the system.

This has something to do with the way police see things. Police are people, after all, subject to the same flaws and vices as the rest of us. America’s police departments tend to be whiter than the general population, and nearly half of whites believe “many” or “almost all” black men are violent. Whites overestimate the amount of crime, in particular violent crime, involving blacks. Whites are also more likely to ascribe supernatural physical abilities to black people, in particular the ability to resist physical pain, a stereotype that harkens back to slavery. Black children like Tamir Rice are “more likely to be mistaken as older, be perceived as guilty and face police violence if accused of a crime.” "

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Listened To DeBlabbio's Speeches Last Two Days. HuWoMan O' Alive. He Has Slick Willies' 'FEEL YOUR PAIN Down To A Science. Definitely Lookin' to A Prez Run.

So, NYC is Changing How Coppers Deal With, Let US Say "Engagements" With The Public. And As NYC goes, so Does The Country?

Wish I Owned A Body Bag Making Company. NYC and The Rest who Engage In The NEW WAY of Coppering, are Going To Need A LOT MORE BODY BAGS for Their Finest.

Ain't Gunna Be 'Protect and Serve' anymore. 'It' will Be Protect and Die.

All The Time needed for 'Engagement', Back-up and Supervisors 'is' Going To Mean More Time fO The Baddies To Do The Do.

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It's taken over 3yrs, but ex-South Carolina Police Chief Richard Combs has finally been charged with murder for shooting dead an unarmed Bernard Bailey.

http://www.news.com.au/world/south-carolina-police-chief-richard-combs-charged-with-murder-for-shooting-unarmed-black-man/story-fndir2ev-1227145445196

Why so long?

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What had Kelly’s panties in such a bunch?

A TOTALLT SEXIST referral. THEY should be ashamed. Aren't you?

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Yes it is sexist...but intersectionality is a whole other topic I somehow doubt any of you are ready to deal with yet.

Why?

Maybe cause we are guys and cant possibly understand? That sounds sexist also.

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Well back to the police who shot and killed a 12 year old within two seconds. The guy that shot him was utterly incompetent and was supposed to get fired from the police district he previously worked in. Then he moved to Cleveland, and landed a job there. Apparently the Cleveland police thought it was unnecessary to check the guys record.

But no worries, he fit right in, because at the Cleveland police department, they are apparently all incompetent.

Well back to the police who shot and killed a 12 year old within two seconds. The guy that shot him was utterly incompetent and was supposed to get fired from the police district he previously worked in. Then he moved to Cleveland, and landed a job there. Apparently the Cleveland police thought it was unnecessary to check the guys record.

But no worries, he fit right in, because at the Cleveland police department, they are apparently all incompetent.

ALL University Professor's, like ALL Cleveland Police Officers are NOT...

There may be a REAL Problem there.

But the above Post's Accusation is TOTALLY silly.

Yes, the feeble attempt at conflating disjoint issues is silly. Its name is character assassination. Scum occasionally do the correct thing and that must be allowed for.

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/supreme-court-police-chokehold-garner wrote:

Thurgood Marshall Blasted Police for Killing Black Men With Chokeholds
30 years before the NYPD and Eric Garner, the Supreme Court justice took on the LAPD.
Early on the morning of October 6, 1976, 24-year-old Adolph Lyons was pulled over by two Los Angeles police officers for driving with a burned-out tail light. As the facts of the incident were later recounted by Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, "The officers greeted him with drawn revolvers as he exited from his car. Lyons was told to face his car and spread his legs. He did so." After an officer slammed his hands against his head, Lyons complained that the keys in his hand were hurting him.

What happened next nearly killed him:

Within 5 to 10 seconds, the officer began to choke Lyons by applying a forearm against his throat. As Lyons struggled for air, the officer handcuffed him, but continued to apply the chokehold until he blacked out. When Lyons regained consciousness, he was lying face down on the ground, choking, gasping for air, and spitting up blood and dirt. He had urinated and defecated. He was issued a traffic citation and released.

Lyons, who was African-American, sued the Los Angeles Police Department for damages and asked a federal judge to enjoin the further use of chokeholds except in circumstances where they might prevent a suspect from seriously injuring or killing someone. Lyons also argued that his constitutional rights had been violated by being subjected to potentially deadly force without due process.

His case, Los Angeles v. Lyons, eventually made it to the Supreme Court. In April 1983, the justices ruled against Lyons 5 to 4. The majority punted on the question of whether chokeholds are constitutional, instead finding that Lyons lacked standing to sue the LAPD since he could not prove that he might be subjected to a chokehold again.
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LAPD Chief Daryl Gates also announced that his department was investigating whether carotid chokeholds were more likely to kill African-Americans for physiological reasons. As the chief explained in November 1982, "We may be finding that in some blacks when it [the hold] is applied, the veins and arteries do not open as fast as they do in normal people."

Gates hailed the Supreme Court's subsequent ruling in Lyons as vindication that "this hold is not cruel and inhuman." The court has yet to reconsider the constitutionality of chokeholds.

"in normal people" that is about as racist as you can get and he was Chief, obviously the people he commanded did his bidding and that was to be racist.

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What had Kelly’s panties in such a bunch?

A TOTALLT SEXIST referral. THEY should be ashamed. Aren't you?

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Yes it is sexist...but intersectionality is a whole other topic I somehow doubt any of you are ready to deal with yet.

Why?

Maybe cause we are guys and cant possibly understand? That sounds sexist also.

No, because so many of you are having such trouble understanding how the shooting of Michael Brown is connected to racism. So we'll deal with that first before we work on anything more complicated.

It seems that you think a female pointing out that you might have a problem is sexist...yet I'm not the one that bought up anyone's gender here.

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What had Kelly’s panties in such a bunch?

A TOTALLT SEXIST referral. THEY should be ashamed. Aren't you?

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Yes it is sexist...but intersectionality is a whole other topic I somehow doubt any of you are ready to deal with yet.

Why?

Maybe cause we are guys and cant possibly understand? That sounds sexist also.

No, because so many of you are having such trouble understanding how the shooting of Michael Brown is connected to racism. So we'll deal with that first before we work on anything more complicated.

It seems that you think a female pointing out that you might have a problem is sexist...yet I'm not the one that bought up anyone's gender here.

Racism from Brown, or the Officer?

BOTH?

Only the side with power can actually be racist, although both sides can be prejudiced.

In a confrontation between an unarmed black man and an armed white policeman which one of them has all the power of the state and the justice system behind them? If that person is now capable of controlling the outcome because of that then they the one that is racist. Racism exists because of power imbalances and abuse of those power imbalances.

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Another news article here on the N.Y. choke hold case.

Eric Garner grand jury rigged, says witness as protests continue across US.