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James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Bad idea Janne, we'd grow out to be some mutated freaks:) If we even can't find a cure for ebola, we shouldn't start messing with Nature... Nature is not nice. Look at the death toll every year beacuse of Nature. Nature has thrown 5 mass extinction events at us over the Earths history. Life has hung on. Then when you add in our history of killing each other. Kind of makes you wonder Nature or Nuture. My guess is we have been nutured by nature to be violent. [/quote] Old James |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
My guess is we have been nutured by nature to be violent. We nurture ourselves to be violent James, Nature doesn't do that. Nature creates good and evil people. Good people nurture themselves to be good and gentle, evil people nurture themselves to be the devils creatures they are, like this man: http://nordpresse.be/a-child-has-been-found-for-the-last-meal-of-a-man-sentenced-to-death/?lang=en :(( rOZZ Music Pictures |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
My guess is we have been nutured by nature to be violent. That can not be true!!!! I suspect an internet hoax, And or a sick freaking joke. There is no way in hell any state would condon that. And if you read the last line. It states he didnt eat the kid because it was over cooked. I say pure BS. [/quote] Old James |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
My guess is we have been nutured by nature to be violent. Can be James, but this guy really exists and evetho they didn't grant his wishes, he had them. And what about these two ten year old boys who killed a two year old, read the story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger Make me want to refresh the Evil humans thread... :'( But to remain on topic, I think conflict is actually needed for human advancement. It's like the saying goes, without a problem, there would be no such thing as a solution. (cfr. Dualism) rOZZ Music Pictures |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Can be James, but this guy really exists and evetho they didn't grant his wishes, he had them. Given that the story appeared on Nordpresse, a satirical website written by Vincent Flibustier, i think it very unlikely that he exists. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Can be James, but this guy really exists and evetho they didn't grant his wishes, he had them. You might be right Simon: http://latest.com/2014/10/death-row-inmate-texas-asked-child-last-meal/ I wouldn't want to be that man in the picture though, altho he's probably evil as hell by the look in his eyes... [edit] The man in the pic is a guy called Shawn Phillips: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vigilante-justice-ends-with-murder-of-alleged-sex-offender-say-cops/ rOZZ Music Pictures |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Wondering is the capacity to think and create. Has/Will lead similar creatures in the Universe, to their own self-destruction? Yes, most probably. Not all, but there will be a number of species (assuming that there are other intelligent species) that have destroyed themselves through the misuse of their own inventions. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
My guess is we have been nutured by nature to be violent. Thank God. It was just a satire! A likelihood of confusion http://nordpresse.be/author/marie-kagan/?lang=en |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Jim1348 Send message Joined: 13 Dec 01 Posts: 212 Credit: 520,150 RAC: 0 |
Yes, most probably. Not all, but there will be a number of species (assuming that there are other intelligent species) that have destroyed themselves through the misuse of their own inventions. That is undoubtedly so, but we have had the ability to "communicate" (or at least listen) for only a 100 years. The real question is whether we will be around long enough to hear anything from the ones that did survive. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
That is undoubtedly so, but we have had the ability to "communicate" (or at least listen) for only a 100 years. The real question is whether we will be around long enough to hear anything from the ones that did survive. A valid point. It indeed remains to be seen whether humanity survives long enough to reach a point where it no longer is likely to kill itself. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Wouldn't that assume an 'advancement' in Human DNA? No because good and evil are not related to genes. In the end it are environmental pressures that push people into good or bad behavior and even then its not as black and white as you suggest. What it needs is a change in human society. In the overall structures that govern our lives. Not government, but culture and the socioeconomic systems that are in play. The background contexts in which we all grow up and that shape us. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
No because good and evil are not related to genes. Are you sure of that? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9968753/Studying-Adam-Lanza-is-evil-in-our-genes.html But so controversial are the links between biology and violence that only the bravest scientists have dared tackle it. “There are many political objections and that means there’s not been enough research into the area,†rOZZ Music Pictures |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
From the same article: By the same token, would we continue to reward virtue? Would we continue to praise heroes, or would we simply acknowledge that they had a well-developed amygdala? several killers have been sentenced for manslaughter rather than murder after DNA evidence was produced to show the perpetrator had unusually high levels of MAO-A. If I may answer your question too Clyde? The main factor in Control lies inside a person's head. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Have we Scientifically 'Proved' there are no evil/good genes? I don't believe so. There is no gene responsible for any kind of specific behavior. Just like there is no gene responsible for say...picking your nose or loving to read mystery novels. Genes do not result in specific actions, what they do is make you more susceptible to specific patterns of behavior. That would also include things like sociopathy and psychopathy, which you could classify as 'evil'. The thing however is that there are plenty of people with a genetic predisposition towards sociopathy but we are fully functioning members of society. They might be dirtbags, unpleasant and unlikable, but who would never commit crimes or murder. That kind of specific behavior needs to be activated, enabled and thats something your environment does. A sociopath growing up in a dysfunctional family and poverty? Yeah, pretty reasonable chance that someone like that commit murder and really becomes evil. Sociopath growing up in a upper middle class family that raises him with love and care? Well he could pursue a carreer in business and would probably thrive. Of course, this is just a really really crude example. Reality is far more complex. e Perhaps, if there are evil/good genes: These genes just control one's Inclination towards these behaviors, and Environment does matter. Yes, exactly. I would agree with you there. How do we Control, let's say Home Environment, without Complete Government Control, within The Home? You don't have to. For one thing, ensuring that no one lives in real poverty and has access to quality education and job opportunities would in the vast majority of cases avoid triggers that might push someone to commit acts of evil. Of course, you can never completely avoid it in every case. But if its only a tiny minority of people that goes over the edge, their ultimate impact on society will remain minimal. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
You don't have to. For one thing, ensuring that no one lives in real poverty and has access to quality education and job opportunities would in the vast majority of cases avoid triggers that might push someone to commit acts of evil. Of course, you can never completely avoid it in every case. But if its only a tiny minority of people that goes over the edge, their ultimate impact on society will remain minimal. Whatever you call a minority man... Most politicians go over the edge and they 'rule' the world. What impact is that giving on society you think? rOZZ Music Pictures |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Whatever you call a minority man... Most politicians go over the edge and they 'rule' the world. What impact is that giving on society you think? Most politicians aren't evil. Yeah, you don't agree with the policies they pursue, sure, but that doesn't make them evil. Besides, politicians do not rule the world. No human or group of humans does. The most politicians do is anticipate or react to certain events, but even then the impact they have on the world as a whole is only minor. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Whatever you call a minority man... Most politicians go over the edge and they 'rule' the world. What impact is that giving on society you think? So you think outside the box, good:) I don't even want to start on the 'so called' spiritual wold... (I use those 'blank' for a reason you know:) rOZZ Music Pictures |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 13 Dec 01 Posts: 212 Credit: 520,150 RAC: 0 |
Besides, politicians do not rule the world. No human or group of humans does. The most politicians do is anticipate or react to certain events, but even then the impact they have on the world as a whole is only minor. They also give voice to people's silent hopes and fears. A guy in Germany did that and had quite an impact. I would say though that a country gets the leadership it deserves, whether it is a democracy or otherwise. That is a compliment to some countries some of the time, less so to others. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
No, it is not. What I've been wondering.. (I was looking for a thread of mine here in politics, but it disappeared..) Some people are born evil, some aren't. The basic laws of nature don't show any signs of evil. Did the minds of those evil people create evil? How does one look in the perspective of the evil person him/herself? Do the worst cases know any morals and/or ethics and how can it be that they're lacking it? Are they a flaw in the evolution of humans? Would we have been lots of steps further in our evolution if they hadn't existed? Does it have to do with the IQ or the EQ? rOZZ Music Pictures |
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