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Message 1578838 - Posted: 27 Sep 2014, 18:29:50 UTC - in response to Message 1578715.  

I think I'll just run cpu tasks and keep it simple.
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Message 1578861 - Posted: 27 Sep 2014, 20:22:42 UTC - in response to Message 1578838.  
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Hmmmm...more errors.

BTW, if you just ran the Lunatics Installer and installed only the CPU App, it should have deleted your ap_cmdline...ati file. If you run the Lunatics installer again and add the ATI AP App it will install a fresh Blank ap_cmdline...ati copy. Then the card would run using the defaults, not at -unroll 18. Every time you run the installer it should install Blank cmdline files for the Apps you install.
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Message 1578943 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 3:54:35 UTC

My machine sounds dirt slow. It takes 30 hours approximatly to do a AP. It is a ATI Radeon 3000 series gpu. Now how do you do a wu on a smartphone⁉️

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Message 1578950 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 5:45:27 UTC - in response to Message 1578943.  

My machine sounds dirt slow. It takes 30 hours approximatly to do a AP. It is a ATI Radeon 3000 series gpu. Now how do you do a wu on a smartphone⁉️

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Message 1578961 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 6:47:41 UTC - in response to Message 1578950.  

My machine sounds dirt slow. It takes 30 hours approximatly to do a AP. It is a ATI Radeon 3000 series gpu. Now how do you do a wu on a smartphone⁉️

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc&hl=en

F F F FIDDLESTICKS!!! I HAVE A IOS phone.

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Message 1578969 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 7:44:15 UTC - in response to Message 1578861.  

Thanks TBar,
I'll check it out.

Hmmmm...more errors.

BTW, if you just ran the Lunatics Installer and installed only the CPU App, it should have deleted your ap_cmdline...ati file. If you run the Lunatics installer again and add the ATI AP App it will install a fresh Blank ap_cmdline...ati copy. Then the card would run using the defaults, not at -unroll 18. Every time you run the installer it should install Blank cmdline files for the Apps you install.
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Message 1579065 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 14:33:51 UTC - in response to Message 1578961.  

My machine sounds dirt slow. It takes 30 hours approximatly to do a AP. It is a ATI Radeon 3000 series gpu. Now how do you do a wu on a smartphone⁉️

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc&hl=en

F F F FIDDLESTICKS!!! I HAVE A IOS phone.

Well if you have an Android device of any kind you could give it a ago. However I would imagine if you have an iPhone you would also have an iPad of some sort if you have a tablet.
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Message 1579145 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 18:57:39 UTC
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So my Merle-PC is no more. I put it out of it's misery and put two slugs in it and threw it in the dumpster. Bye-bye, tough guy. See you in computer heaven.
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Message 1579171 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 20:53:13 UTC - in response to Message 1579065.  

Well if you have an Android device of any kind you could give it a ago. However I would imagine if you have an iPhone you would also have an iPad of some sort if you have a tablet.

I wish...but there are two in the house. Just not mine. The App store has a SETI educational download but no crunching at all. GRRRR... My iPhone is a pad of sorts. It will do everything a iPad will do but on a small small screen. Someone needs to write a SETI crunching app for iOS.

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Message 1579182 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 22:08:53 UTC - in response to Message 1579171.  
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Someone needs to write a SETI crunching app for iOS.



They are still Beta testing the Apps for Mac desktop and laptops GPUs. Once they get those done, maybe but one thing at a time. ;)
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Message 1579191 - Posted: 28 Sep 2014, 22:46:38 UTC - in response to Message 1579182.  

Someone needs to write a SETI crunching app for iOS.


They are still Beta testing the Apps for Mac desktop and laptops GPUs. Once they get those done, maybe but one thing at a time. ;)

Someone would still need to create & publish a version of BOINC for iOS. Would Apple would be willing to fund that development like HTC did for the Android app?
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Message 1579679 - Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 22:20:56 UTC - in response to Message 1578712.  
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TBar,
I set the unroll to 8 and it took about 7 hours to complete. I also have a TdrDelay of 8 set in my registry which I was told long ago that it would help. My normal screen graphics are a little slow so I am snoozing my boinc when I do other tasks. My cpu takes about 10-11 hours doing 4 or 5 at a time.
Thanks for your help.

The last 3 completions on that card show an -unroll setting of 18. It should run best around unroll 6 to 8. You might want to check it out. Not long ago an out of memory warning was fatal. The task would immediately error out with 'out_of_resources'. Nice to see it now allows the task a chance to complete.
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Message 1579703 - Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 23:17:10 UTC - in response to Message 1579679.  

TBar,
I set the unroll to 8 and it took about 7 hours to complete. I also have a TdrDelay of 8 set in my registry which I was told long ago that it would help. My normal screen graphics are a little slow so I am snoozing my boinc when I do other tasks. My cpu takes about 10-11 hours doing 4 or 5 at a time.
Thanks for your help.

That's about the same as my 4670 running the latest and greatest, http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/result.php?resultid=17649973
You might get better screen graphics with an unroll of 6 or even 4. I think my best times in XP were a little over 6 hours with unroll 4. I have it higher currently 'cause the other cards need it higher.

The ATI HD 4600 series will work with AstroPulse v7 however, I haven't seen a CAL version of AstroPulse v7. This might be the last hurrah for the old CAL only cards, ie. HD3 & HD2.
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Message 1579705 - Posted: 29 Sep 2014, 23:43:45 UTC - in response to Message 1579703.  
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My card is actually a 4670. I misspoke earlier. I'll try unroll 5 and see how it is. I guess all I have to do is restart boinc to get it to work.

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Yeah, 5 works much better.

Thanks again.
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Message 1579739 - Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 1:47:30 UTC - in response to Message 1579705.  

I guess all I have to do is restart boinc to get it to work.

Just 'Snooze GPU' (after 5-10 s un-Snooze it)
 


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Message 1579840 - Posted: 30 Sep 2014, 7:51:29 UTC - in response to Message 1579739.  

thanks BilBg
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Message 1581138 - Posted: 2 Oct 2014, 19:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 1578520.  
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Joe,
But how does one know what the real speed vs theoretical peak gflops is?

Related question:
Sometimes for a lengthy period my r7 265 and 7770 have an average combined usage of perhaps 50-60 percent. Is that because of the AP blanking and it will be fixed by v7 at least partially, or is it something else?

[somehow I missed your posting on the first go round.]

lol

thanks Hal

The exit status is actually 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED & not 177. 177 is another one I remember but I forget the instance it occurs now.

LoL, -177 *was* used for both time limit exceeded and memory limit exceeded. Now they're separate 197 and 198 errors.

@merle - The intended purpose of the time limit is to protect against an application running forever because it got hung in a loop on an unattended or seldom watched computer. The S@H setting used to be 10 times the estimate, but was changed to 20 times within the last year. That may be enough that few cases will be seen where a task is killed while nearing completion simply because the servers had an inflated idea of how fast the app version should run. But it is probably unsafe to use two GPUs of the same brand which differ in speed by a factor of 10 or more (I mean real speed, not the theoretical peak GFLOPS).
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Message 1581291 - Posted: 3 Oct 2014, 0:01:07 UTC - in response to Message 1581138.  

Joe,
But how does one know what the real speed vs theoretical peak gflops is?

What really matters is the relative speed on AP or MB tasks, so basically it's a matter of observing live run times or running comparative tests offline.

For your host with an HD 7770 and an R7 265, I estimate the 7770 is taking about 2.5 times as long as the R7 for AP work. That's largely based on Task 3751359063 for the 7770 and Task 3751363773 for the R7, but times for other tasks seem to follow the same pattern of slightly over 4000 seconds for the 7770 and well under 2000 seconds for the R7 (tasks with little or no blanking). I won't guess about MB, too little data.

Related question:
Sometimes for a lengthy period my r7 265 and 7770 have an average combined usage of perhaps 50-60 percent. Is that because of the AP blanking and it will be fixed by v7 at least partially, or is it something else?
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That certainly could be heavy blanking effects, one way to get a rough idea about blanking on a running task is to look at the size of the indices.txt file in the slot for the task. A zero byte indices.txt corresponds to no blanking, anything under 3K bytes or so probably low enough blanking to not have major effects.

OTOH, some users have noted low GPU usage for other reasons and in some cases I think the reason hasn't ever been found.
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Message 1581410 - Posted: 3 Oct 2014, 7:16:34 UTC - in response to Message 1581291.  

Thank's Joe,

I thought that the r7 was much faster compared to the 7770 than the gflops were telling me. That confirms it. Now if the 6570 were 2.5 times slower than the 7770, it would hardly be worth it to add it to the mix. But I don't think it would be 20x slower than the r7.


OTOH, some users have noted low GPU usage for other reasons and in some cases I think the reason hasn't ever been found.


But half the time both gpu's work on average maybe 85% or more of capacity which says to me they are healthy working together.
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