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Message 1568860 - Posted: 7 Sep 2014, 21:52:07 UTC

Hi,


I've got 269 "validation pending". More than half of the total jobs done. What will happen if the jobs aren't validated before the dealine expire?? Will the work just be "dumped" ???

Take a look: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=9801394&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

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Message 1568864 - Posted: 7 Sep 2014, 21:56:14 UTC

No dont worry.
If the wingman is late the unit will be sent to a third person.
This happens to all of us.
Nothing will be lost.


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Message 1568865 - Posted: 7 Sep 2014, 21:57:17 UTC

I don't think individuals' results pages are publicly accessible. Regardless, you don't need to be concerned about a high number of 'validation pending' tasks - this just means that you have finished a lot of tasks where a corresponding result to 'validate' your result hasn't yet been received by the server. If your partners' hosts fail to return a result before their deadline, then the server will send the task to another host for validation. It will not just 'dump' the work except perhaps in rare unfortunate cases where all the remaining hosts it sends the task to fail to respond and the work-unit expires (due to a 'too many errors' trigger).
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Message 1568900 - Posted: 7 Sep 2014, 22:37:06 UTC

I've got 269 "validation pending"

Is that all you have? :-O

A pittance really. ;-)

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Message 1568919 - Posted: 7 Sep 2014, 23:26:28 UTC

Sometimes you will also find you get a task suck in pending, like this example, forever. At least until they do a cleanup of the db. Which happens less often than a blue moon.
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Message 1568980 - Posted: 8 Sep 2014, 3:20:29 UTC

Also your doing a lot of v7 units i have 127 pending and only 27 are v7 the reast are AP so if your pissed about how many then how you reacken i feel as 98 AP's = something like 75,000 points your 127 v7 will only be about 4000 .

I can tell after looking at your computers you have low Rac scores for them . you don't crunch 24/7 otherwise i would expect you to have a rac closer to my second rig the Q8400 Intel which is at 9300 and going up since i put the GTX650 in it and will be somewhere around 14,000 . Try doing more Ap's and less V7 you will get a higher RAC and have less pending . If i let both my machines do v7's then i would expect something around the 600 pending for both rigs doing v7

My AMD did 67 units in 14 hrs doing v7 ,75% went into pending and i am still waiting for them to be validated .
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Message 1569632 - Posted: 9 Sep 2014, 14:46:55 UTC
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Hello guys,

Thank you all for your response ;) Thanks a lot...


Hi HAL9000, thank you and thanks for the sample ;) This one: 14 May 2014, 19:45:27 UTC is older than the oldest I've got. The oldest I've got, had a DL back in june. Thank you ;)


Hello Glenn,
Also your doing a lot of v7 units i have 127 pending and only 27 are v7 the reast are AP so if your pissed about how many then how you reacken i feel as 98 AP's = something like 75,000 points your 127 v7 will only be about 4000 .

Not pissed at all, just asked ;) I've got more than 180 jobs with a deadline which has been crossed. Thats why I'm asking. I don't define which jobs I want to do, not yet.

I can tell after looking at your computers you have low Rac scores for them . you don't crunch 24/7 otherwise i would expect you to have a rac closer to my second rig the Q8400 Intel which is at 9300 and going up since i put the GTX650 in it and will be somewhere around 14,000 . Try doing more Ap's and less V7 you will get a higher RAC and have less pending . If i let both my machines do v7's then i would expect something around the 600 pending for both rigs doing v7

All Linux systems is crunching 24/7 and it'll soon be 365 too ;) It's only the windows desktop that doesn't run 24/7. I've been building on this Rack mounted 2U system for almost a year now and it seems to be running now. No, I'm not anyway near you guys and will never be. But I managed to build a system which is not so pricy and which does a pretty good job compared to amount of money I use every month on electricity. In Denmark, electricity is pretty d... expensive.

My AMD did 67 units in 14 hrs doing v7 ,75% went into pending and i am still waiting for them to be validated .

OK, I see... Thanks

Hi Wiggo, yes, thats all. I'm just a smalltimer ;)

Hi Mike, and thank you! Needed to hear that ;)

Hi Wedge009, thanks. That was really the answer I was looking for ;) No need to show the sample of all the jobs with a crossed deadline now ;) Thanks a lot...


Glenn, this is my systems. I've only just finished the last system with 4 GPU's. Had a cooling problem, but I solved it getting better chassis fans. Now the other 3 test systems will be build like this one and a 5 is on the way. Got a few pictures I want to show you. Don't now if it's anything like your systems, but I trying ;) How much do your systems crunch in average? per day?
I began using all my old P4's and my electric bill went through the roof. Some of the guys in here made me notice that and since then I've been building new systems using fewer PSU's. I'm almost using the same number of PSU's today, but I get 10 times the results now ;)
Sorry for the arrows etc. I've been using these images elsewhere ;)





Under "details" for computers, does this indicate how much a system should do??
    Measured floating point speed 5038.9 million ops/sec
    Measured integer speed 26532.39 million ops/sec




Thanks for getting back to me.
Have a nice day..


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Message 1569665 - Posted: 9 Sep 2014, 15:43:08 UTC - in response to Message 1569632.  
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How much do your systems crunch in average? per day?


The Q8400 quad core was doing about 7000 with a GT220 nvida card but is now at 10,592 with the GTX 650 but it has only had that in it for about 4 days now

The AMD 8350 is at the moment doing 20,396 It has a GTX 650 also . I did have 2 of them in it but i'm having problems with the PSU'S dieing i got the wrong Mobo a 970 from gigabyte but it has a power design of 4+1 and to do seti i need it to be 8+2 so i think it is killing the PSU's if i try and run 7 cores and 2 GTX 650 and the Rac mite be a bit high at the moment seeing as it did run for about 2 weeks with the 2 GPU's in it but not shore i will just have to see how it ends up

my Q8400 is nothing special only 2.6 gig and has only 2 gig of ram the Mobo is a mini xt board i think from gigabyte and like you i have 2 PSU's now running it as the Psu in it does not have a power plug for a GPU it's a old Pentium 4 Psu but it works and its only uses 197 watts without the monitor on .

The AMD that is a different story it uses at the moment about 250 watts with only 4 cores going and 1 GPU .

both computer have meters on them at the power point to measure the wattage so i quote the wattage at the power point not what the PSU is using on the board , chip ,Gpu

There are soome pictures in another thread called Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. in the number crunching section only the Q8400 has now got the GTX 650 and not the GT 220
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Message 1569961 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 11:23:25 UTC
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Hi Glenn,


Thanks! My 3 (4) machines is doing 1,134,588 a month or so say boinstats. The third system using 4 GPU's hasn't been running for more than 2 weeks maximum, so I guess it'll be a little higher. My goal was a million a month but according to my calculations it could be 2 a month using these 3 systems with 4 GPU's 24/7. The problem using these Rack mounted servers is the graphic card desgin. It has to be a Low Profile card to fit the 2U chassis. That's why I've been trying all these different cards. Can't remember who it was, Mr. ageless maybe, who told me about the GT640 from Asus. It's a great card, great for a Low Profile card that is ;)
So I'm looking forward to bulding the last to systems and get the last GPU's as well. Have to buy it along the way, It's not cheap toy's, right?
Regarding the watts - this system which is a headless system with nothing but the CPU and 4 GPU's and a SSD drive only uses 247 watts in average. The same as your AMD. It somehow surprised me! I thought it would use a lot more juice, so I got a large 500w 2U PSU for it and was this a pricy one! It cost more than twice as much as the 300 watt PSU, in US$ it was about 250-270! A little much when trying to build a "not so pricy" system. And then it turned out to use less than 300 watts!
I know that it's the GPU's that's best for crunching, but when you are building a system like this, you can't get much better performance that I got. If you hear about a card (low profile) please don't hesitate to let me know ;)

Have a nice day ;)
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Message 1570034 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 16:42:56 UTC - in response to Message 1569632.  
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Under "details" for computers, does this indicate how much a system should do??
    Measured floating point speed 5038.9 million ops/sec
    Measured integer speed 26532.39 million ops/sec


No, it is just BOINC benchmark which uses only FPU (not SSE ...) (AFAIK it is >20 years old benchmark)
This is the old-fashioned FP 'speed' of one core of the CPU (BOINC do not benchmark the GPUs at all)


Can't remember who it was, Mr. ageless maybe, who told me about the GT640 from Asus. It's a great card, great for a Low Profile card that is ;)

Probably you refer to my post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=73359&postid=1474199#1474199


Mind to all readers here - you do not use your CUDA GPUs for SETI@home (you do not want to use app_info.xml), you use the GPUs for Asteroids@home
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=115283

(this is if someone wonders why your RAC here is too low for so many GPUs)


so I got a large 500w 2U PSU for it and was this a pricy one! It cost more than twice as much as the 300 watt PSU, in US$ it was about 250-270!

Where did you get 500 W PSU for US$ 250 ??

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Message 1570172 - Posted: 10 Sep 2014, 22:57:12 UTC - in response to Message 1570034.  
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Hi Bilbg,

No, it is just BOINC benchmark which uses only FPU (not SSE ...) (AFAIK it is >20 years old benchmark)
This is the old-fashioned FP 'speed' of one core of the CPU (BOINC do not benchmark the GPUs at all)

OK, thanks! I thought it showed real performance because the numbers got better and better when ever I made a new system. So it looked like it. Thanks for setting me straight ;)



Mind to all readers here - you do not use your CUDA GPUs for SETI@home (you do not want to use app_info.xml), you use the GPUs for Asteroids@home
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=115283

(this is if someone wonders why your RAC here is too low for so many GPUs)

Can't reach asteroids sites at the moment, think they are updating the servers....
Database Error
Database Error
Unable to handle request



Can't remember who it was, Mr. ageless maybe, who told me about the GT640 from Asus. It's a great card, great for a Low Profile card that is ;)

Probably you refer to my post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=73359&postid=1474199#1474199

No, I think it was this one:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74153&postid=1480967#1480967
A American guy asked me, "...why are you choosing those slow GPU's..?" He's referring to the Asus GT640! I told him, because these are the fastest Low Profile cards I can find. And one of the cards which endures heat better than most. (thanks to Mr. Zalster, Mr. Guy and Mr. Bil for teaching me about these matters)



Where did you get 500 W PSU for US$ 250 ??

Please read my post again ;)
"...I thought it would use a lot more juice, so I got a large 500w 2U PSU for it and was this a pricy one! It cost more than twice as much as the 300 watt PSU, in US$ it was about 250-270! A little much when trying to build a "not so pricy" system.."

Look at this:
http://danbit.dk/produkter/1904.phtml
It's the "PS500ATX2U 510 W ATX P4 PCI-Express SATA" which in Denmark cost DKR 1.225,00 + TAX which is 25%. That's DKR 1.531,25. And the current rate when using Danish Viking Crowns is about 5,75 DKR for a US$. 1.531,25/5,75 = US$ 266 so my guess 250-270 was quite right ;) No need to cheer for that! It's to g.. d... expensive. And this is not even the price in the stores...
Well, I have to say that this is a speacial business! Much of the hardware is produced in house, but not these PSU's of course. But it's good stuff and thats what you are paying for. And then it's in Denmark where hardware always has been somehow pricy. It's getting better now, but not that much.
I'm very querious! What will you have to pay for a 2U PSU 500W where you live? It has to be a peace which has got the bluestamps (TÃœV) etc.!? Let's say a 500W and a 300W. (SATA, PCI-express, P4 etc.) I don't think you are going to find this anyway near the US$ 49,- ;)
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Message 1570426 - Posted: 11 Sep 2014, 10:19:36 UTC - in response to Message 1570034.  

Mind to all readers here - you do not use your CUDA GPUs for SETI@home (you do not want to use app_info.xml), you use the GPUs for Asteroids@home
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=115283



Why?
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Mind to all readers here - you do not use your CUDA GPUs for SETI@home (you do not want to use app_info.xml), you use the GPUs for Asteroids@home
http://asteroidsathome.net/boinc/show_host_detail.php?hostid=115283



Why?

There isn't a Stock Linux Seti v7 Cuda app, that's why:

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Message 1576157 - Posted: 22 Sep 2014, 19:52:41 UTC

I found a computer that has 156 tasks "in progress". I found it because i was trying to figure out why i had a task (370648968) still pending validation from a month ago. I traced it to a computer that has had 156 tasks "in progress" for almost a month now. Looks like i'll be waiting for that task to time out and get resent to an active account. :/
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Message 1576398 - Posted: 23 Sep 2014, 4:48:33 UTC - in response to Message 1576157.  

I found a computer that has 156 tasks "in progress". I found it because i was trying to figure out why i had a task (370648968) still pending validation from a month ago. I traced it to a computer that has had 156 tasks "in progress" for almost a month now. Looks like i'll be waiting for that task to time out and get resent to an active account. :/

I doubt it will time out. The deadline for that task is 20 October. Plus your wingperson is running An Intel Xeon with 8 cores. His GPU is a GeForce 310.

My I7 3770,s with a 550TI gpu can burn through 200 AP tasks in about 4 or 5 days.

I think you are safe even with the 10 timeouts his GPU has had.
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Message 1576532 - Posted: 23 Sep 2014, 13:05:19 UTC - in response to Message 1576398.  

I found a computer that has 156 tasks "in progress". I found it because i was trying to figure out why i had a task (370648968) still pending validation from a month ago. I traced it to a computer that has had 156 tasks "in progress" for almost a month now. Looks like i'll be waiting for that task to time out and get resent to an active account. :/

I doubt it will time out. The deadline for that task is 20 October. Plus your wingperson is running An Intel Xeon with 8 cores. His GPU is a GeForce 310.

My I7 3770,s with a 550TI gpu can burn through 200 AP tasks in about 4 or 5 days.

I think you are safe even with the 10 timeouts his GPU has had.

Given that host hasn't contacted the servers in about 3.5 weeks. I would expect their task to timeout & get sent to a 3rd host. Per normal operation.
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Given that host hasn't contacted the servers in about 3.5 weeks. I would expect their task to timeout & get sent to a 3rd host. Per normal operation.



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