There has been reports here in Australia that Tony Abbott is going to send troops into Iraq Because the threat from ISIS now attacking northern Iran .

Should we do this ?

And is this the start of Armageddon ?

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No friggin' way.

The West has screwed with that area enough. The West created that problem but it will never resolve it to anyone's satisfaction.

It's pretty obvious that a Western controlled Puppet Government will never have any credibility or legitimacy for the locals.

The best way is to just let them fight it out between themselves until a new "strong man" rises up through the chaos.

T.A.

Terror as much as i hate Mad monk i think if we don't and ISIS do take control of IRAN then the west will be in big trouble .

Israel is just looking for a excuse to bomb the IRANIAN Nuclear facilities . And that won't help they don't need nukes to do a lot of damage just the Plutonium and then we will have dirty bomb's going off .

And then there is the real possiblity that many in IRAN will change sides and join ISIS so IRAN may just need the west's help in stopping them .

The west is Stuck between a rock and a hard place !!!!

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I agree with that. It was all lines drawn on a map by the British. With out regard to tribal and or ethnic or relious or sect disticntion.
So what do we do. Let them kill each othet off. Put Iran. Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan all on a do not interfere list and let them just go to it. Let then kill each other off and set there own borders. When they are done living in the stoneage ask them if they would like to rejoin the rest of humanity.
If not let them live like dogs.

Why should I care as a person that two peoples who were born in the same country of the same relgion but differant sects want to kill each other. Its stupid.
And if the whole world really cared they would tell said countries, We will no longer buy oil from you. Hope you can eat sand.

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Old James

The best ISIS could do against Iran is skirmish with the border guards. Any more and they would draw the ire of the Iranian Army. Unlike the Iraquis, the Iranians are quite capable of dealing with a bunch of armed yahoos driving around in Toyota Hi-Luxes.

Iran would probably be quite happy to take ISIS down now, but won't cross the border into Iraq without US approval.

The plot here is so convoluted it makes "Game of Thrones" look like a nursery story. You have a tinder box situation between the Sumis, the Shiites and the Kurds, who have been fighting each other for 1500 years, with The West, The Russians and the Israelis all stirring the pot from the outside.

If Australia sent troops there, it's impossible to know just who they would actually be fighting for.

EDIT] The odds of ISIS and Iran joining forces are about the same as winning Lotto. ISIS is Sumi, Iran is Shiite. The hatred there is just too deep for either party to even consider it.

T.A.

Yes Terror i agree Iran may well be able to protect it's self but if we don't help i fear that others will ster the pot and it will explode in our faces . Mite be better to send a small force of adviser's to help the Iranians just so other country's near bye don't try and use it as a excuse to take there own action which mite just esculate things to a point where it's Armagedon .

At least then they mite not take said action !

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EDIT] The odds of ISIS and Iran joining forces are about the same as winning Lotto. ISIS is Sumi, Iran is Shiite. The hatred there is just too deep for either party to even consider it.

The fact that Iran would rather deal with the US rather than ISIS only confirms the above statement

P.S. Glenn, I think you might be confusing Iran and Iraq. I can't see either Oz or the US sending troops to help Iran. It is IRAQ where ISIS is running riot atm and where troops would be sent.

T.A.

The best ISIS could do against Iran is skirmish with the border guards. Any more and they would draw the ire of the Iranian Army. Unlike the Iraquis, the Iranians are quite capable of dealing with a bunch of armed yahoos driving around in Toyota Hi-Luxes.

Iran would probably be quite happy to take ISIS down now, but won't cross the border into Iraq without US approval.

The plot here is so convoluted it makes "Game of Thrones" look like a nursery story. You have a tinder box situation between the Sumis, the Shiites and the Kurds, who have been fighting each other for 1500 years, with The West, The Russians and the Israelis all stirring the pot from the outside.

If Australia sent troops there, it's impossible to know just who they would actually be fighting for.

EDIT] The odds of ISIS and Iran joining forces are about the same as winning Lotto. ISIS is Sumi, Iran is Shiite. The hatred there is just too deep for either party to even consider it.

T.A.

I concur. Iran has ambitions to be sure. But letting ISIS take over Iraq is not one of them.
What I cant understand is why after 10 years the shites in Iran wont fight for there own rights. Are they that timid after years of oppresion that they wont defend themselves?
A people who wont fight for there own freedom is something I cant fathom.

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Old James

Yes there are mainly in Iraq and Siria but if Iran go it alone it will be used by others in the region to take there own actions .

Also Iran has had sanctions against it for a long time and this has created a problem for Iran not having the materials it needs to fight ISIS and a economy that is not doing too well and possible why they are not to interested in fighting , i'm talking about the ppl not there gov .

It's going to get very messy . So maybe a small force just to give them some legitamcy , if there fighting with our troops it might keep a lid on things getting outa hand

At the moment Mad Monk has commited a few extra C-130 's to take weapons to the kurds but i see that as only the first step

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...What I cant understand is why after 10 years the shites in Iran wont fight for there own rights. Are they that timid after years of oppresion that they wont defend themselves?..

In Iraq chaos was brought in by the US invasion. In Syria revolution was able to be fired up by outside parties exploiting the Sumi/Shiite divide.

Maybe it's because the Iranians see the mess that "revolution" has created in Iraq and Syria and prefer oppression to bloody chaos.... At least the electricity and water stay on and the buses run and you can walk down the street without wearing body armour.

Besides there is no such thing as "Democracy" as we know in that area. People just go from being oppressed by one "Strong Man" to being oppressed by a new one.

T.A.

Besides are the Iranians any more oppressed than what is happening in the West ?

All the countries of the "Free World" now have arrest without trial, secret incarceration laws, warrantless searches by police, random roadside searches, etc. All brought in supposedly to "protect" us from the evil "Terrorists"...

The so called "Free West" is gone. The terrorists won years ago.

T.A.

Besides are the Iranians any more oppressed than what is happening in the West ?

All the countries of the "Free World" now have arrest without trial, secret incarceration laws, warrantless searches by police, random roadside searches, etc. All brought in supposedly to "protect" us from the evil "Terrorists"...

The so called "Free West" is gone. The terrorists won years ago.

T.A.

So true.

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The so called "Free West" is gone. The terrorists won years ago.

+1

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In Iraq chaos was brought in by the US invasion. In Syria revolution was able to be fired up by outside parties exploiting the Sumi/Shiite divide.

T.A.

Absolutely true. But past history.

The REAL question is not: Don't do this, or that.

The point was that in both cases, Chaos was brought about by 3rd parties not by an internal movement and that is why Iran is still stable.

The REAL question is: What to do NOW!

I would venture to suggest that the answer is to do absolutely nothing and let the Iraqis and Syrians sort it out for themselves. But of course, seeing that OIL is involved that will never happen.

T.A.

Clyde isn't the US prity much ok with oil supply's now you get heaps of it from Canada . I would have thought even if the oil supply's stopped from the middle east you guys wont have to worry now ?. Other country's mite be in trouble thou like China ?

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Simple answer:

NO

With all of the interest in ISIS/ISIL/IS, I thought that this might be a good time to bring some perspective to the conversation.

1) Regardless what the world thinks, this organization is primarily a religious one between one sect and another(s).

2) This dispute has been going on for centuries and will most likely continue for far longer than our life times. The most recent manifestation of this dispute, is the group that is now being discussed. I have said several times in another thread - To know a thing, you must first understand the thing. With that being said, I suggest http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html?utm_hp_ref=world as a beginning to understanding this thing.

3) IT WILL NOT BE SOLVED BY U.S. MILITARY MEANS ALONE, as it must also primarily include moderate regional actors/countries, since it is in their best interest to do so. It also must include political and other means to accomplish this.

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

OK then so we don't help Iran and let them take on ISIS and then when Israel starts there propaganda they will attack IRAN's Nuclear facilities and all out war with Israel will be on .

So what then will America do , turn there backs on ISRAEL ?

And what of China you think they won't try and protect there oil interests ?

Who's side will they be on IRAN'S or ISRAEL's ?

This has all been predicted 2000 yrs ago in the bible , and then again by the great sear Nostradamus whom is more explicit in how it will occur .

If ppl believe in what has been foretold then it will happen simply because ppl believe . Both the BIBLE and KORAN have foretold of what will come .

Maybe ppl should think about that .

There will be no winners here

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Hmm, hasn't that been said throughout the centuries? We're still here, so what price the Bible/Koran?

If ppl believe in what has been foretold then it will happen simply because ppl believe . Both the BIBLE and KORAN have foretold of what will come .

Maybe ppl should think about that .

Sirius look above .

Are people shore people are not all ready doing the above . It's all about who believes what and is prepared to die for that !

The price of a Koran is $0 , the price of a bible $0

The Koran must be given as a gift , the Bible must be given as a gift

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