From your link...
"We are now evidently seeing fighting between regular Russian and regular Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine. There is a word for this."
...Yep...
WAR

He's a diplomat:)

LOL...

...they only see it as war when the enemy is knocking on their door!

From your link...
"We are now evidently seeing fighting between regular Russian and regular Ukrainian forces in Eastern Ukraine. There is a word for this."
...Yep...
WAR

He's a diplomat:)

LOL...
...they only see it as war when the enemy is knocking on their door!

Actually he is one the few European leaders who acctually have warned for this situation months ago.
If you glance through Calles tweets you can see it.
We Swedes, Finns and Ests are russiophobic for all the good reasons.

Unfortunately, Swedes, Finns and Estes, Combined: Don't have the Power to influence this.
The USA doesn't really care (Considered just another European Problem), and The EU's Economy's depend upon Russian Energy.

Nonsens. We are all sitting in the same boat.
US Economy depends very much upon EU's Economy's. Remember 'Global Economy'?
And what do you mean by "Power"?

Unfortunately, Swedes, Finns and Estes, Combined: Don't have the Power to influence this.
The USA doesn't really care (Considered just another European Problem), and The EU's Economy's depend upon Russian Energy.

Nonsens. We are all sitting in the same boat.
US Economy depends very much on EU's Economy's. Remember 'Global Economy'?
And what do you mean by "Power"?

I KNOW its nonsense. But that is what the American People believe.
Remember WWII. President Roosevelt wanted to get involved since Day 1. The American People said NO!
It took a Japanese Attack, and Hitler Declaring War against The USA, for America to respond effectively.
Today's situation is the same.

I cant blame US for acting this way.
NATO rules are No pay No gain.
When looking in the rear mirror its clear that Western Europe has underestimated Putin.
But EU itself has an army not known to many people called Eurocorps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
http://www.eurocorps.org/

I cant blame US for acting this way.
NATO rules are No pay No gain.
When looking in the rear mirror its clear that Western Europe has underestimated Putin.
But EU itself has an army not known to many people called Eurocorps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps
http://www.eurocorps.org/

This is the way I see it.
Neither The USA, nor The EU, can stop Putin from reclaiming 'Greater Russia'. Do not think of Putin/Russia in Western European terms/culture/economy. Their thinking is Historically different
We are now entering a 19th Century Period of Great Powers competing with each other for World Domination. We must understand that, and NOW plan for the future.
AGAIN SURROUND Russia (Old Soviet Union) with Effective Military Forces. Hopefully keeping the Old Eastern Block Nations within Our Sphere. Attempt to isolate Russia economically, and wait them out - AGAIN.
Sorry. This is the way I see it.

Dont be sorry:) We have consensus here.
Why do you think Putin is so popular?
At last. Happy Days again. A strong leader who oppresses his people.
A country which does not allow dissents.
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Putin's adviser on Human Rights under the President of Russia Ella Polyakova recognized that the Russian armed forces invaded the territory of Ukraine.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=ru&tl=sv&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpodrobnosti.ua%2Faccidents%2F2014%2F08%2F28%2F990877.html&edit-text=
Ella Polyakova is no good. I recall a interview with her in Ukrainian Hromadske.tv where she couldnt answer simple questions.
The interview stopped after about one minute.

Putin's adviser on Human Rights under the President of Russia Ella Polyakova recognized that the Russian armed forces invaded the territory of Ukraine.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=ru&tl=sv&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpodrobnosti.ua%2Faccidents%2F2014%2F08%2F28%2F990877.html&edit-text=
Ella Polyakova is no good. I recall a interview with her in Ukrainian Hromadske.tv where she couldnt answer simple questions.
The interview stopped after about one minute.

At the same time in Finland
Finland third time this week accused Russia of violating airspace.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpodrobnosti.ua%2Fpower%2F2014%2F08%2F28%2F990906.html&edit-text=

Janneseti, even worse than I thought!
This is russians? In addition to the russian invaders - muslims are attacking.... Chechens, dagestanis, tatars from the Volga, chuvash, bashkir, tuvans, hanty, munsee, kazakhs ... even yakuts! They say in a strange language! They pray and repeating - Allahu Akbar! This is similar to trek of the East - to West...
It's horror! Aliens...! See video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCP8qvoYtU
His subdivision - in the picture from space http://usnato.tumblr.com/post/96003086125/new-satellite-imagery-exposes-russian-combat-troops

This is a farce.
No Russian troops in Ukraine': Moscow's OSCE rep responds to Kiev's claims
http://rt.com/news/183356-russia-poroshenko-invasion-ukraine/
Everyone on this planet know by now that Russian regular army has invaded Ukraina.
But Moscow's OSCE (not Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) says No Russian troops in Ukraine.
Putin is mocking the whole World![/url]

Why is this thread still going on? It's nothing about Crimea in this thread any longer. It's all about eastern Ukraine.
Forget about Crimea, it's fait accompli, and will never be back under the Ukrainian flag again. Haven't you people noticed that nobody any longer talks about Crimea? The western media doesn't mention Crimea at all, because the west have realized that it's Russian territory for good.
Start a new thread about the subject at hand, which for now is eastern Ukraine, and stop posting to that thread when eastern Ukraine is also under Russian flag (which it will be, no matter how much we curse and scream)

Crimea is part of Ukraina. period.
Eastern Ukraine is part of Ukraina. period.
I have talked about Crimea many times.
Perhaps a week ago when I saw how Russians are treating non-russians.
Truly disgusting:(
Eftersom du är svensk så läs nyheterna.
DN är en bra början!

Why do you even bother to comment?
This is not your thread.

Eftersom du är svensk så läs nyheterna.
DN är en bra början!

Next sympathizer! Perhaps Russian emigrant .... or wife from Russia :)

Eftersom du är svensk så läs nyheterna.
DN är en bra början!

Next sympathizer! Perhaps Russian emigrant .... or wife from Russia :)

No he's just a grouchy old man.
Like me:)

Janneseti, even worse than I thought!
This is russians? In addition to the russian invaders - muslims are attacking.... Chechens, dagestanis, tatars from the Volga, chuvash, bashkir, tuvans, hanty, munsee, kazakhs ... even yakuts! They say in a strange language! They pray and repeating - Allahu Akbar! This is similar to trek of the East - to West...
It's horror! Aliens...! See video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCP8qvoYtU
His subdivision - in the picture from space http://usnato.tumblr.com/post/96003086125/new-satellite-imagery-exposes-russian-combat-troops

True muslims have a belief that you must do good things in Life to other peoples.
Otherwise you go to hell.
He who says Allahu Akbar is NOT a true muslim.
He is like christians who are fighting and killing innocent peoples in the name of God.

Those aliens perhaps comes from Southern Kazakstan, Uzbekistan or Turkmenistan.
Which means that not only Russia are involved in this crises:(

Eftersom du är svensk så läs nyheterna.
DN är en bra början!

Next sympathizer! Perhaps Russian emigrant .... or wife from Russia :)

Go away! Calling me a Russian sympathizer for voicing my opinions on fait accompli, is really ridicolous. Instead of posting lots of propaganda from the Ukrainan side in a forum, maybe you should go out there and defend your country.
How can you have time to do this? How many Ukrainians have died because you rather post propaganda than defend your fellow countrymen?
I don't believe a word of the Russian propaganda, and I do not believe a word of the Ukrainan propaganda. You two countries are a marrriage from hell both of you. You deserve each other richly.
Geeze....

SLUTA Du beter dig som ett barn!
Eller har du druckit?
Read the f***ng news.
In this thread you dont see any propaganda unless told!

I comment all I want, and if you have a problem with that, take a hike (or a bike, your choice). It's not your thread either, is it? I've had it with both Russia and Ukraine, and I will comment when I see things to comment on.

So why dont you start a thread 'Why I hate Russian and Ukrainian propaganda'?
You are very off topic.

I comment all I want, and if you have a problem with that, take a hike (or a bike, your choice). It's not your thread either, is it? I've had it with both Russia and Ukraine, and I will comment when I see things to comment on.

So why dont you start a thread 'Why I hate Russian and Ukrainian propaganda'?
You are very off topic.

Haha, me off topic when you post about Eastern Ukraine in a thread called Crimea 5 :-)

Hilarious....

LOOK AT THE MAP!
Where is Crimea located? Yes Southeast of Kiev. South of Donetsk.
You sounds like you are a trained Soldier from Russia who can not find there way in Ukrainia.

Tone it down guys or I will request it be locked.

Tone it down guys or I will request it be locked.

Why.

It's a very vigorous discussion regarding a life and death issue.

That may be so but I suggest you read the last 12 posts! Vigorous is one thing, insulting each other is another.

Tone it down guys or I will request it be locked.

Why.

It's a very vigorous discussion regarding a life and death issue.

That may be so but I suggest you read the last 12 posts! Vigorous is one thing, insulting each other is another.

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Its now about 1 day since Russia started to invade Ukraine with regulary troops.
So far I cant see any countries how are condemning it.
Except for Swedish FM who call it WAR.
France call it unacceptable.
US and Germany are concerned.
I'm really disappointed.


Ukrainian FM: the next time the Russian troops can be in Vrotslova or in Tartu
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpodrobnosti.ua%2Faccidents%2F2014%2F08%2F28%2F990933.html&edit-text=
"This is a test for the whole world, for the EU, NATO and Ukraine. We'll find out together," - said the Minister.
Tartu is the second largest city of Estonia.
Wrocław is the largest city in western Poland