btw Today it is 200 years and 4 days ago our country was at war :)

Meaning?
You made a deal with Nazi Germany.

Forgot that:)
Anyway we got we wanted. No war.
I Think all countries have some dark things in their closets.
Wellknown secrets that no one likes to talk about.
http://www.thelocal.se/20140815/sweden-celebrates-200-years-of-peace

Sweden never officially took a side in World War II - but the nation has received harsh international criticism for letting the Nazis use Swedish railways to invade Norway, questioning the image of neutrality and indeed casting a light of shame and cowardice upon the country.

Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans.

Experiences and Reactions. When They Happen or Later, determine if One Does Evil. Or Cheers On, Accepts or All 3.

Evil, yep, Everywhere. Waiting to Erupt.

Some People do Evil to Themselves and No One Ever Knows. Suicide results sometimes. Others quietly Die as Everyone Else.

Don't Bet Against Evil. Don't Think You Are Immune.

It is Waiting and Hungry.

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I would have said the same thing Dull, but then about the Good. Ain't that funny? I also don't think it's only the women who could possibly be born evil...

@Bob: Good point there, hadn't thought of that yet... People who are born without morality. Could possibly be a great factor to generate evil.

Better known to us as "Sociopaths".

Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans.

Experiences and Reactions. When They Happen or Later, determine if One Does Evil. Or Cheers On, Accepts or All 3.

Evil, yep, Everywhere. Waiting to Erupt.

Some People do Evil to Themselves and No One Ever Knows. Suicide results sometimes. Others quietly Die as Everyone Else.

Don't Bet Against Evil. Don't Think You Are Immune.

It is Waiting and Hungry.

' '

I would have said the same thing Dull, but then about the Good. Ain't that funny? I also don't think it's only the women who could possibly be born evil...

@Bob: Good point there, hadn't thought of that yet... People who are born without morality. Could possibly be a great factor to generate evil.

Better known to us as "Sociopaths".

Unimaginable...

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That's what I thought 40 years ago...

...now only sadness remains.

:'( Not easy, always thinking too good about things, makes the door slam itself into yer face...

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Yes, Period.

Do you not mean,Yes, DOT, DOT, DOT?

Yes, Period.

Do you not mean,Yes, DOT, DOT, DOT?

Dot dot dot, waiting what awaits next...;) (thinking of my friend Jim's nice poetry right now, dunno why...)

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I AM NOT BORN EVIL, I OBJECT! Sorry guys, just had to get it off of my heart, my thread anyways...

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Sorry everyone - having to play catch up AGAIN :(

I'm an emotional vacuum cleaner, a bit like your son Annie. I sense good and evil very well in people. My husband once had a 'friend'. I remember, that guy couldn't get near me within the two meters before I'd practically start vomiting, I really didn't know why. It was like the opposite sides of two magnets, repulsive, can't quite explain. Turned out afterwards, that guy was a pedophile. I can tell you lots of more stories about experiences like that. I have to agree with you Annie, when you say things are far more complicated than that. I think it has something to do with 'forces' that are all around us and that can occupy our body and use it.

Call me a nutcase but that's what I think...

Well... if you insist, Julie, but I don't think you are :)
I've had a few of those experiences myself :( It's weird and it's horrible but I can just about hold it together until they smile... (sorry - just had a shudder) my skin literally crawls :(

I don't believe anyone is born evil. Not at all. Not one little bit. I think people can become "evil" in the sense that they commit acts of evil.

Possibly disagree. ............
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What is the Internal Difference between those who exhibit Evil, and those who do not, growing up with the SAME influences?

Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense. I know as an ex-policeman, Clyde, you would definitely disagree with the former part of that last sentence, and vehemently agree that it IS nonsense :)

Maybe it just means that for some people, a potentially very poor path has been partly pre-determined for them to a degree at birth, but that doesn't mean they will all go down it. The evidence for that is everywhere, and it's that which makes those that do, responsible for their evil/criminal deeds.

Maybe it's not that some people are born evil but that they have no sense of right or wrong. So nothing they do brings on a sense of remorse and if they go uncaught long enough they do increasingly despicable things.

I think that plays a HUGE part Bob. I know of one little boy in my daughter's class in primary school whose path in many ways had already been set in stone by his parents and who clearly lacked the ability to make another one for himself. A child who was violently smacked when he should have received a cuddle, and ignored or praised when he should have been reprimanded :(

Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans.

:( I sincerely hope this view has nothing to do with so-called "original sin" I know a few too many people who gaze upon a newborn baby and see that instead of what is really there, an innocent at the start of a journey.

LATE EDIT:

I AM NOT BORN EVIL, I OBJECT! Sorry guys, just had to get it off of my heart, my thread anyways...

+a million, raised to infinity, then SQUARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good post Annie.

I know of one little boy in my daughter's class in primary school whose path in many ways had already been set in stone by his parents and who clearly lacked the ability to make another one for himself. A child who was violently smacked when he should have received a cuddle, and ignored or praised when he should have been reprimanded :(

Disagree with the above to a degree. There has to be something else that determines that lad's path asides from what you have stated. My own life started off that way & at 4 years old, then again at 13, beaten to within an inch of my life by an alcoholic gambler of a father & watched by a dogmatic mother mired in the "faith" of the catholic church.

I have no criminal record (asides from a couple of "speeding" endorsements in my younger days), never abused or took advantage of women either sober or drunk. Earned a trusted reputation when in public service which followed me into the transport industry.

Over the years, I think I did myself & others proud. The only problem that early life did leave were 2 pet peeves that I still have today...

..anything regarding the catholic church I take with the teeniest bit of salt & I don't suffer fools gladly.

What kept me on the straight & narrow after that early life? I do not know to this day, so if anyone knows, give me a call.

Sorry everyone - having to play catch up AGAIN :(

I'm an emotional vacuum cleaner, a bit like your son Annie. I sense good and evil very well in people. My husband once had a 'friend'. I remember, that guy couldn't get near me within the two meters before I'd practically start vomiting, I really didn't know why. It was like the opposite sides of two magnets, repulsive, can't quite explain. Turned out afterwards, that guy was a pedophile. I can tell you lots of more stories about experiences like that. I have to agree with you Annie, when you say things are far more complicated than that. I think it has something to do with 'forces' that are all around us and that can occupy our body and use it.

Call me a nutcase but that's what I think...

Well... if you insist, Julie, but I don't think you are :)
I've had a few of those experiences myself :( It's weird and it's horrible but I can just about hold it together until they smile... (sorry - just had a shudder) my skin literally crawls :(

I don't believe anyone is born evil. Not at all. Not one little bit. I think people can become "evil" in the sense that they commit acts of evil.

Possibly disagree. ............
.....
What is the Internal Difference between those who exhibit Evil, and those who do not, growing up with the SAME influences?

Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense. I know as an ex-policeman, Clyde, you would definitely disagree with the former part of that last sentence, and vehemently agree that it IS nonsense :)

Maybe it just means that for some people, a potentially very poor path has been partly pre-determined for them to a degree at birth, but that doesn't mean they will all go down it. The evidence for that is everywhere, and it's that which makes those that do, responsible for their evil/criminal deeds.

Maybe it's not that some people are born evil but that they have no sense of right or wrong. So nothing they do brings on a sense of remorse and if they go uncaught long enough they do increasingly despicable things.

I think that plays a HUGE part Bob. I know of one little boy in my daughter's class in primary school whose path in many ways had already been set in stone by his parents and who clearly lacked the ability to make another one for himself. A child who was violently smacked when he should have received a cuddle, and ignored or praised when he should have been reprimanded :(

Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans.

:( I sincerely hope this view has nothing to do with so-called "original sin" I know a few too many people who gaze upon a newborn baby and see that instead of what is really there, an innocent at the start of a journey.

LATE EDIT:

I AM NOT BORN EVIL, I OBJECT! Sorry guys, just had to get it off of my heart, my thread anyways...

+a million, raised to infinity, then SQUARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Annie:) love you GF...

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Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense.

Why? If we are our brains, and science pretty much indicates that we are indeed our brains, then all behavior has a biological root, thus one we have no control over. So then how can anyone be held responsible for their actions?

Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense.

Why? If we are our brains, and science pretty much indicates that we are indeed our brains, then all behavior has a biological root, thus one we have no control over. So then how can anyone be held responsible for their actions?

Thought that was pretty obvious. At birth our brains are empty, we are taught what we need to know. Whether or not what we are taught is correct, really is another matter.

Thought that was pretty obvious. At birth our brains are empty, we are taught what we need to know. Whether or not what we are taught is correct, really is another matter.

Well that is not entirely true. But more importantly, it means that we are shaped by our surrounding, aka an influence that we have no control over. If you are raised in an environment that teaches you to steal, are you then responsible for when you are caught stealing, or is that simply what you have been taught from birth?

And in any case, it does not remove the biological component that is part of our decision making. Memories, behavior, all of it still has a biological component, because all of it still happens in your brain. You do not have control over how your brain is wired, yet that determines how you act. And if your brain is wired in such a way that it causes you to steal, can you therefor be held responsible for your own actions?

Good post Annie.

I know of one little boy in my daughter's class in primary school whose path in many ways had already been set in stone by his parents and who clearly lacked the ability to make another one for himself. A child who was violently smacked when he should have received a cuddle, and ignored or praised when he should have been reprimanded :(

Disagree with the above to a degree. There has to be something else that determines that lad's path asides from what you have stated. My own life started off that way & at 4 years old, then again at 13, beaten to within an inch of my life by an alcoholic gambler of a father & watched by a dogmatic mother mired in the "faith" of the catholic church.

I have no criminal record (asides from a couple of "speeding" endorsements in my younger days), never abused or took advantage of women either sober or drunk. Earned a trusted reputation when in public service which followed me into the transport industry.

Over the years, I think I did myself & others proud. The only problem that early life did leave were 2 pet peeves that I still have today...

..anything regarding the catholic church I take with the teeniest bit of salt & I don't suffer fools gladly.

What kept me on the straight & narrow after that early life? I do not know to this day, so if anyone knows, give me a call.

You chose to do the opposite of what was done to you Sirius. I did too... from a VERY young age, so whatever continued to happen to me after that decision was made, it didn't matter because I had already chosen that path, and NOTHING on this earth could have made me deviate from it. I know some might say this is fanciful, but it might have just been my immense love of everything "animal kingdom" that helped me somehow with that first important step AWAY from what I could have been moulded into, and I had my younger twin to protect. Or maybe the hole in my head was quite small :)
Could yours have been too do you think? :)

What memories? A new born has none. Went to secondary school which was an all boys school. Many there smoked dope. We did not know that was right or wrong as to that point in time, we were unaware of drugs.

Did we smoke any of it? None in my own school circle did, so that puts paid to your theory.

That was a seriously tough school. However many of its pupils went on to become police officers, doctors, firemen, soldiers, lawyers. They saw the same as myself, drug use, theft, bullying etc. They did not allow that to mould them, so there has to be another answer.

You chose to do the opposite of what was done to you Sirius. I did too... from a VERY young age, so whatever continued to happen to me after that decision was made, it didn't matter because I had already chosen that path, and NOTHING on this earth could have made me deviate from it. I know some might say this is fanciful, but it might have just been my immense love of everything "animal kingdom" that helped me somehow with that first important step AWAY from what I could have been moulded into. Or maybe the hole in my head was smaller :)
Could yours have been too do you think? :)

I don't really know Annie so can't answer that. Right from a very early age, I sensed something was wrong within the family. As I grew up, it got stronger but something within me would not let me even consider "Tit for Tat".

I do know this - It was nothing my parents or school taught me, it was "just there".

What memories? A new born has none. Went to secondary school which was an all boys school. Many there smoked dope. We did not know that was right or wrong as to that point in time, we were unaware of drugs.

Did we smoke any of it? None in my own school circle did, so that puts paid to your theory.

That was a seriously tough school. However many of its pupils went on to become police officers, doctors, firemen, soldiers, lawyers. They saw the same as myself, drug use, theft, bullying etc. They did not allow that to mould them, so there has to be another answer.

No but a new born does have genes that determine the way their brain develops and whether they are predisposed to certain forms of behavior, such as addiction or various kinds of mental illnesses.

And sure your school mates were molded by their environment. In their case just not in a negative way.

No but a new born does have genes that determine the way their brain develops and whether they are predisposed to certain forms of behavior, such as addiction or various kinds of mental illnesses.

And sure your school mates were molded by their environment. In their case just not in a negative way.

That's a fair point, so concede that one. As for genes, I need real good convincing of that one.

That's a fair point, so concede that one. As for genes, I need real good convincing of that one.

Autism, Down syndrome, predisposition to addiction, depression, psychosis, alzheimer, Parkinson, etc. All of those things have far reaching effects on your behavior and all that stuff is also coded in your genes. No matter what environment you are raised in, those genes will have a significant impact on how you behave.