Thanks julie interesting read i did watch a doco about the Doctor mention'd in that article about psychopath and in it he said a similar effect can all so happen if you have a brain injury to the frontal lobe as you see in a psychopath

Then there is the star sign thing

what do Hitler , Mussolini , Saddam all have in common there are other evil ppl through out time that also share the same thing as these ppl

The queen of England also shares this thing and we all know how she treated Diana

The only 1 i know off that does not is Napoleon Bonaparte but he all so shears a part of what i'm talking about

They are born on the cusp of Aries & Torus and Napoleon Bonaparte was born on the cusp of Leo & Virgo

Is there something in star signs ???

Now the Akasha field pops to mind again. Started a thread on that subject a few years ago. Dr. Laszlo, who wrote a book on it, implies that there's an ether which consists of Helium3 iirc, which connects us all. That's a bit off topic, I know, but I saw you mentioning star signs:) This goes beyond Science but can we consider this reality? Albeit we could have more answers to our many questions, like the question in the thread title for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akasha

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That's the problem with serious questions in that having one answered, the answer gives rise to further questions.

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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject.
Are humans born evil?
Something mind boggling if you ask me...

Mind boggling is an understatement.
One thing for sure is that evilness is not genetical.
I have seen interviews of some real evil people relatives.
For instance Stalins daughter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Alliluyeva

Like Sirius said, maybe it is somehing beyond our imagination, something that comes from 'up above' and descends in one's body. I know, this is far fetched but how can we explain this otherwise?

Something extraterrestial perhaps?
TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens, Hybrids, Elongated Skulls & Nephilim :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY

That's the problem with serious questions in that having one answered, the answer gives rise to further questions.

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Clyde and Gary made a very interesting point in The Israel/Palestine thread that I decided we could as well have a thread on this subject.
Are humans born evil?
Something mind boggling if you ask me...

Mind boggling is an understatement.
One thing for sure is that evilness is not genetical.
I have seen interviews of some real evil people relatives.
For instance Stalins daughter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Alliluyeva

Like Sirius said, maybe it is somehing beyond our imagination, something that comes from 'up above' and descends in one's body. I know, this is far fetched but how can we explain this otherwise?

Something extraterrestial perhaps?
TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens, Hybrids, Elongated Skulls & Nephilim :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY

Oh my, now you sound like Veerle:)) (my sister in law) She does make some good points tho, but I can't think like she can, I think too much like a scientist.

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Daily Motion - BBC Horizon - Are You Good or Evil

Worth a watch, got a good twist in it.

Thanx WK, didn't see it completely but certainly worth a watch! That brings me back to the Evolution Theory where it is said humans evolve in a positive manner (Janne just told me) What did the primates or people in prehistory do with psychopats and other people who were mentally ill? Surely there was no such thing as medication then. I think people were more connected with nature in its simplicity back then, so I think in that point the Evolution Theory is wrong.

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There was an episode of Morgan Freeman's Through the Wormhole titled "Can we eliminate evil" which dealt with this subject. The episodes are available online and I recommend watching this one. As I recall there was one genetic scientist involved in finding genetic markers common to serial killers and the like and he discovered that he also had that gene. So I think it is a combination of genetic tendencies and environment.

I can also recommend watching Through the Wormhole serie.
I have seen all the episodes.
Not only cosmology theories are dealt with but also human concepts, philosofy ideas and such.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Wormhole

There was an episode of Morgan Freeman's Through the Wormhole titled "Can we eliminate evil" which dealt with this subject. The episodes are available online and I recommend watching this one. As I recall there was one genetic scientist involved in finding genetic markers common to serial killers and the like and he discovered that he also had that gene. So I think it is a combination of genetic tendencies and environment.

I can also recommend watching Through the Wormhole serie.
I have seen all the episodes.
Not only cosmology theories are dealt with but also human concepts, philosofy ideas and such.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Wormhole

I have the whole DVD set:)

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This is a fascinating story about a man doing research into the brains of psychopaths who discovered he is one.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/scientist-related-killers-learns-psychopaths-brain/story?id=21029246

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Thanx WK, didn't see it completely but certainly worth a watch! That brings me back to the Evolution Theory where it is said humans evolve in a positive manner (Janne just told me) What did the primates or people in prehistory do with psychopats and other people who were mentally ill? Surely there was no such thing as medication then. I think people were more connected with nature in its simplicity back then, so I think in that point the Evolution Theory is wrong.

The Evolution Theory has no positive or negative manners.
It does only suggest that individuals who are fittets enough will likely more survive.
Thereby giving offsprings to more individs who are fit enough.
Rather simple idea, dont you think.
And yes, primates and other animals treat their kids who hasn't the social skills with outcast (mobbing).

Thanx WK, didn't see it completely but certainly worth a watch! That brings me back to the Evolution Theory where it is said humans evolve in a positive manner (Janne just told me) What did the primates or people in prehistory do with psychopats and other people who were mentally ill? Surely there was no such thing as medication then. I think people were more connected with nature in its simplicity back then, so I think in that point the Evolution Theory is wrong.

The Evolution Theory has no positive or negative manners.
It does only suggest that individuals who are fittets enough will likely more survive.
Thereby giving offsprings to more individs who are fit enough.
Rather simple idea, dont you think.
And yes, primates and other animals treat their kids who hasn't the social skills with outcast (mobbing).

There's a big difference between the survival of the fittest line of thinking and cosmic evolution, or spiritual evolution if one wants to call it that.

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Thanx WK, didn't see it completely but certainly worth a watch! That brings me back to the Evolution Theory where it is said humans evolve in a positive manner (Janne just told me) What did the primates or people in prehistory do with psychopats and other people who were mentally ill? Surely there was no such thing as medication then. I think people were more connected with nature in its simplicity back then, so I think in that point the Evolution Theory is wrong.

The Evolution Theory has no positive or negative manners.
It does only suggest that individuals who are fittets enough will likely more survive.
Thereby giving offsprings to more individs who are fit enough.
Rather simple idea, dont you think.
And yes, primates and other animals treat their kids who hasn't the social skills with outcast (mobbing).

There's a big difference between the survival of the fittest line of thinking and cosmic evolution, or spiritual evolution if one wants to call it that.

I think that we humans have come to point where biological evolution doesn't matter.
Now it's about social evolution.
However, some humans tends to social inbreed.
Which of course is very bad...

Thanx WK, didn't see it completely but certainly worth a watch! That brings me back to the Evolution Theory where it is said humans evolve in a positive manner (Janne just told me) What did the primates or people in prehistory do with psychopats and other people who were mentally ill? Surely there was no such thing as medication then. I think people were more connected with nature in its simplicity back then, so I think in that point the Evolution Theory is wrong.

The Evolution Theory has no positive or negative manners.
It does only suggest that individuals who are fittets enough will likely more survive.
Thereby giving offsprings to more individs who are fit enough.
Rather simple idea, dont you think.
And yes, primates and other animals treat their kids who hasn't the social skills with outcast (mobbing).

There's a big difference between the survival of the fittest line of thinking and cosmic evolution, or spiritual evolution if one wants to call it that.

I think that we humans have come to point where biological evolution doesn't matter.
Now it's about social evolution.
However, some humans tends to social inbreed.
Which of course is very bad...

My mother always told me to broaden my horizon as much as I can:) She was right...

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My mother always told me to broaden my horizon as much as I can:) She was right...

Your mother seems to be a very wise man.
Oops correction: a very wise Woman!

btw Some of the avatars of SETI users now have a green star and a depiction of something else.
I can't figure this out.

I think that we humans have come to point where biological evolution doesn't matter.

We reached that point thousands of years ago. Really once we started using tools and expanding our tool set we reached that point. There are people who argue that the singularity can't really happen, but these people are mistaken. They don't realize that a singularity has already occurred naturally thousands of years ago.

Anyways, are humans evil? Generally not. Most people are born with empathy and they have the hardest time inflicting evil upon their fellow men. They need to be taught how to be evil, they need to be raised badly before they turn out evil. And even then, the levels of evil they generally reach is only very limited. And we have proof for this. Even the most evil regimes in human history, regimes that taught their subjects to hate and despise their victims in every possible way, had to invent ways to create a psychological distance between the perpetrators of their atrocities and their victims.

But the problem is that we keep raising people in socioeconomic systems that teach and reward the foundations from which evil flows. Capitalism, Communism, Autocracies, Patriarchy, etc are the systems in which we all grow up, and they do not promote good all that much.

I think that we humans have come to point where biological evolution doesn't matter.

We reached that point thousands of years ago. Really once we started using tools and expanding our tool set we reached that point. There are people who argue that the singularity can't really happen, but these people are mistaken. They don't realize that a singularity has already occurred naturally thousands of years ago.

Anyways, are humans evil? Generally not. Most people are born with empathy and they have the hardest time inflicting evil upon their fellow men. They need to be taught how to be evil, they need to be raised badly before they turn out evil. And even then, the levels of evil they generally reach is only very limited. And we have proof for this. Even the most evil regimes in human history, regimes that taught their subjects to hate and despise their victims in every possible way, had to invent ways to create a psychological distance between the perpetrators of their atrocities and their victims.

But the problem is that we keep raising people in socioeconomic systems that teach and reward the foundations from which evil flows. Capitalism, Communism, Autocracies, Patriarchy, etc are the systems in which we all grow up, and they do not promote good all that much.

I dont think that babies know anything about socioeconomic systems.
Milgram Obedience Study
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQ
Whatever the system it is down to obedience to authority.

I dont think that babies know anything about socioeconomic systems.
Milgram Obedience Study
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQ
Whatever the system it is down to obedience to authority.

Being obedient and following immoral orders is not the same as being evil and doing immoral things out of your own free will. At worst, being obedient allows others to do evil through you, you become complicit in evil, but you yourself are not truly evil. As you can see in the Milgram experiment is that most people that were giving shocks were strongly protesting against giving those shocks. That proves that they themselves would never consider giving people shocks if they weren't being ordered to do so by an authority figure.

I dont think that babies know anything about socioeconomic systems.
Milgram Obedience Study
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQ
Whatever the system it is down to obedience to authority.

Being obedient and following immoral orders is not the same as being evil and doing immoral things out of your own free will. At worst, being obedient allows others to do evil through you, you become complicit in evil, but you yourself are not truly evil. As you can see in the Milgram experiment is that most people that were giving shocks were strongly protesting against giving those shocks. That proves that they themselves would never consider giving people shocks if they weren't being ordered to do so by an authority figure.

Yes, you are right.
But humans born evil...
Babies dont know about authorities AFAIK.
However culture and traditions shapes individuals when they are growing older.
Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

btw Some of the avatars of SETI users now have a green star and a depiction of something else.
I can't figure this out.

of topic sorry but it means that the person has donated money to seti and the badge is where you are in Rac compeard to others

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