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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
btw Today it is 200 years and 4 days ago our country was at war :) Forgot that:) Anyway we got we wanted. No war. I Think all countries have some dark things in their closets. Wellknown secrets that no one likes to talk about. http://www.thelocal.se/20140815/sweden-celebrates-200-years-of-peace Sweden never officially took a side in World War II - but the nation has received harsh international criticism for letting the Nazis use Swedish railways to invade Norway, questioning the image of neutrality and indeed casting a light of shame and cowardice upon the country. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans. Better known to us as "Sociopaths". |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans. Unimaginable... rOZZ Music Pictures |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
That's what I thought 40 years ago... ...now only sadness remains. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Yes, Period. Do you not mean,Yes, DOT, DOT, DOT? |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Sorry everyone - having to play catch up AGAIN :( I'm an emotional vacuum cleaner, a bit like your son Annie. I sense good and evil very well in people. My husband once had a 'friend'. I remember, that guy couldn't get near me within the two meters before I'd practically start vomiting, I really didn't know why. It was like the opposite sides of two magnets, repulsive, can't quite explain. Turned out afterwards, that guy was a pedophile. I can tell you lots of more stories about experiences like that. I have to agree with you Annie, when you say things are far more complicated than that. I think it has something to do with 'forces' that are all around us and that can occupy our body and use it. Well... if you insist, Julie, but I don't think you are :) I've had a few of those experiences myself :( It's weird and it's horrible but I can just about hold it together until they smile... (sorry - just had a shudder) my skin literally crawls :( I don't believe anyone is born evil. Not at all. Not one little bit. I think people can become "evil" in the sense that they commit acts of evil. Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense. I know as an ex-policeman, Clyde, you would definitely disagree with the former part of that last sentence, and vehemently agree that it IS nonsense :) Maybe it just means that for some people, a potentially very poor path has been partly pre-determined for them to a degree at birth, but that doesn't mean they will all go down it. The evidence for that is everywhere, and it's that which makes those that do, responsible for their evil/criminal deeds. Maybe it's not that some people are born evil but that they have no sense of right or wrong. So nothing they do brings on a sense of remorse and if they go uncaught long enough they do increasingly despicable things. I think that plays a HUGE part Bob. I know of one little boy in my daughter's class in primary school whose path in many ways had already been set in stone by his parents and who clearly lacked the ability to make another one for himself. A child who was violently smacked when he should have received a cuddle, and ignored or praised when he should have been reprimanded :( Yes, Born Evil. All HuWoMans. :( I sincerely hope this view has nothing to do with so-called "original sin" I know a few too many people who gaze upon a newborn baby and see that instead of what is really there, an innocent at the start of a journey. LATE EDIT: I AM NOT BORN EVIL, I OBJECT! Sorry guys, just had to get it off of my heart, my thread anyways... +a million, raised to infinity, then SQUARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good post Annie. I know of one little boy in my daughter's class in primary school whose path in many ways had already been set in stone by his parents and who clearly lacked the ability to make another one for himself. A child who was violently smacked when he should have received a cuddle, and ignored or praised when he should have been reprimanded :( Disagree with the above to a degree. There has to be something else that determines that lad's path asides from what you have stated. My own life started off that way & at 4 years old, then again at 13, beaten to within an inch of my life by an alcoholic gambler of a father & watched by a dogmatic mother mired in the "faith" of the catholic church. I have no criminal record (asides from a couple of "speeding" endorsements in my younger days), never abused or took advantage of women either sober or drunk. Earned a trusted reputation when in public service which followed me into the transport industry. Over the years, I think I did myself & others proud. The only problem that early life did leave were 2 pet peeves that I still have today... ..anything regarding the catholic church I take with the teeniest bit of salt & I don't suffer fools gladly. What kept me on the straight & narrow after that early life? I do not know to this day, so if anyone knows, give me a call. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34054 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Sorry everyone - having to play catch up AGAIN :( Thank you Annie:) love you GF... rOZZ Music Pictures |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense. Why? If we are our brains, and science pretty much indicates that we are indeed our brains, then all behavior has a biological root, thus one we have no control over. So then how can anyone be held responsible for their actions? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Maybe it is something fundamentally different in the way their brains are wired up or don't connect. I know saying that has the potential to get us into a very murky area of what then, can, or should, be considered criminal if there's a medical/developmental reason behind a behaviour that is an evil act, but I also think that is nonsense. Thought that was pretty obvious. At birth our brains are empty, we are taught what we need to know. Whether or not what we are taught is correct, really is another matter. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Thought that was pretty obvious. At birth our brains are empty, we are taught what we need to know. Whether or not what we are taught is correct, really is another matter. Well that is not entirely true. But more importantly, it means that we are shaped by our surrounding, aka an influence that we have no control over. If you are raised in an environment that teaches you to steal, are you then responsible for when you are caught stealing, or is that simply what you have been taught from birth? And in any case, it does not remove the biological component that is part of our decision making. Memories, behavior, all of it still has a biological component, because all of it still happens in your brain. You do not have control over how your brain is wired, yet that determines how you act. And if your brain is wired in such a way that it causes you to steal, can you therefor be held responsible for your own actions? |
anniet Send message Joined: 2 Feb 14 Posts: 7105 Credit: 1,577,368 RAC: 75 |
Good post Annie. You chose to do the opposite of what was done to you Sirius. I did too... from a VERY young age, so whatever continued to happen to me after that decision was made, it didn't matter because I had already chosen that path, and NOTHING on this earth could have made me deviate from it. I know some might say this is fanciful, but it might have just been my immense love of everything "animal kingdom" that helped me somehow with that first important step AWAY from what I could have been moulded into, and I had my younger twin to protect. Or maybe the hole in my head was quite small :) Could yours have been too do you think? :) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
What memories? A new born has none. Went to secondary school which was an all boys school. Many there smoked dope. We did not know that was right or wrong as to that point in time, we were unaware of drugs. Did we smoke any of it? None in my own school circle did, so that puts paid to your theory. That was a seriously tough school. However many of its pupils went on to become police officers, doctors, firemen, soldiers, lawyers. They saw the same as myself, drug use, theft, bullying etc. They did not allow that to mould them, so there has to be another answer. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
You chose to do the opposite of what was done to you Sirius. I did too... from a VERY young age, so whatever continued to happen to me after that decision was made, it didn't matter because I had already chosen that path, and NOTHING on this earth could have made me deviate from it. I know some might say this is fanciful, but it might have just been my immense love of everything "animal kingdom" that helped me somehow with that first important step AWAY from what I could have been moulded into. Or maybe the hole in my head was smaller :) I don't really know Annie so can't answer that. Right from a very early age, I sensed something was wrong within the family. As I grew up, it got stronger but something within me would not let me even consider "Tit for Tat". I do know this - It was nothing my parents or school taught me, it was "just there". |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
What memories? A new born has none. Went to secondary school which was an all boys school. Many there smoked dope. We did not know that was right or wrong as to that point in time, we were unaware of drugs. No but a new born does have genes that determine the way their brain develops and whether they are predisposed to certain forms of behavior, such as addiction or various kinds of mental illnesses. And sure your school mates were molded by their environment. In their case just not in a negative way. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
No but a new born does have genes that determine the way their brain develops and whether they are predisposed to certain forms of behavior, such as addiction or various kinds of mental illnesses. That's a fair point, so concede that one. As for genes, I need real good convincing of that one. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
That's a fair point, so concede that one. As for genes, I need real good convincing of that one. Autism, Down syndrome, predisposition to addiction, depression, psychosis, alzheimer, Parkinson, etc. All of those things have far reaching effects on your behavior and all that stuff is also coded in your genes. No matter what environment you are raised in, those genes will have a significant impact on how you behave. |
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